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  • SimonSayz
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 10-17-09
    • 859

    #1
    Iron bowl: Auburn vs alabama (-4)
    Gentlemen,

    We are five days away from one of the biggest games of the college football year. Let's take the opportunity to discuss how big this game is and what your educated thoughts are. I say that b/c I have been known to get into some uneducated conversations with Bama fans in the past. This game opened at Alabama -4 which is a bit suprising but we will see how the week shakes out with respect to where the action comes in.

    This isn't a winner-take-all game for the SEC West title, something that surprisingly has still never happened in Iron Bowl history but the game has an undefeated team eyeing a national championship. For the second consecutive year, the game has a Heisman Trophy frontrunner.

    The Iron Bowl, which this state attempts to strangle to death annually with incessant hype, can justify the attention this year.

    It's only the sixth Iron Bowl with top-10 teams ever, joining 1994, 1974, 1972, 1971 and 1963.

    Alabama is only a year removed from winning the national title. Auburn could claim the next one before Nick Saban's statue is even in the ground.

    Mark Ingram is only a year removed from winning Alabama's first Heisman Trophy. If Ingram chooses, he could vote this year for another Iron Bowl participant, Cam Newton, whose only obstacle now is pay-for-play accusations.

    No state has ever had two different schools produce national champions and Heisman Trophy winners in consecutive years. None. Not Florida. Not California. Not Texas. Alabama would be the first.

    Since the AP poll started in 1936, Texas is the only state with two different national champions in consecutive years. TCU won in 1938 and Texas A&M in 1939. Two states have produced back-to-back Heisman winners from different teams. Miami's Gino Torretta (1992) and Florida State's Charlie Ward (1993) won from Florida, and UCLA's Gary Beban (UCLA) and USC's O.J. Simpson (1968) did it from California.

    Auburn and Alabama enter Friday with two losses between them, tied for the sixth-fewest in the Iron Bowl since it was renewed in 1948. Both teams were undefeated in 1994 and 1971, and one team had one loss in 1993, 1974 and 1972.

    Only two other times has there been an undefeated team in the Iron Bowl for at least three straight years, as is the case now. The other time periods: 1992 to 1994 and 1971 to 1974.

    History suggests that, contrary to the cliche, don't necessarily throw out the records when picking a winner.

    Since 1981, the team with the better record has won the Iron Bowl 70 percent of the time. That's higher than the rate for many other late-season Rivalry games, including Florida-Florida State, Oregon-Oregon State, Harvard-Yale, Georgia-Auburn, Michigan-Ohio State and USC-UCLA.

    Auburn has two more wins than Alabama. When they are separated by two wins or more, the team with the better record has won 35 of 42 times (83 percent) since 1948.

    The day-after-Thanksgiving date again speeds up the around-the-clock hype for the Iron Bowl. It's justified this time.

  • Hoja Verdes
    SBR MVP
    • 08-23-06
    • 1403

    #2
    Biggest Iron Bowl of my lifetime probably, when you factor in everything that's happened and/or is happening right now with both teams. Would be a little sweeter if Bama had beat LSU, but it's still a monster of a game. Can't believe bama is favored by 4, which suggests Auburn continues to get no respect. Lean Auburn + the points here.
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    • jwbama23
      SBR MVP
      • 01-17-10
      • 2373

      #3
      Auburn......lol......Simon you are funny. Your dream season comes to a stop Friday bud
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      • MarlinsFan2212
        SBR MVP
        • 04-19-10
        • 1325

        #4
        I like Auburn to win 35-24.
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        • xyzky
          SBR MVP
          • 08-23-07
          • 1577

          #5
          Was hoping for +4 Bama, but, I suppose the books knew they would get buried if they opened it that way....
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          • jennahazeplays
            Restricted User
            • 03-15-10
            • 474

            #6
            gonna be a goodass game no doubt. leaning towards auburn at the momennt
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            • WorkHorse
              SBR MVP
              • 08-22-10
              • 2185

              #7
              Seems the lower ranked team is favored over the higher ranked team.....interesting.
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              • cant call it
                SBR Hall of Famer
                • 08-29-10
                • 8817

                #8
                wasnt it a winner take all in 2005?
                nevermind it wasnt, sorry,
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                • MartinBlank
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 07-20-08
                  • 8382

                  #9
                  I love Alabama here.

                  I am praying the prick doesn't make 'Bama his 2-star play, so I can grad that one.
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                  • gshock1
                    SBR Hall of Famer
                    • 12-04-09
                    • 5366

                    #10
                    Line is now sitting @ -5.

                    Public is on Auburn, but smart money appears to be on Bama. Should have locked this bad boy in long time ago.
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                    • SimonSayz
                      SBR Wise Guy
                      • 10-17-09
                      • 859

                      #11
                      It will be interesting to see how bama tries to defend Cam. Will they try what they did against tebow last year in the sec championship? That's going to be key if Alabama is going to win.
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                      • jwbama23
                        SBR MVP
                        • 01-17-10
                        • 2373

                        #12
                        Originally posted by SimonSayz
                        It will be interesting to see how bama tries to defend Cam. Will they try what they did against tebow last year in the sec championship? That's going to be key if Alabama is going to win.
                        Probably very similar to the way the did Tebow and all of the other dual threat qb's Bama faces. One thing Saban has done well at is limiting these types of QB's from moving a lot and making big plays. Two years ago Bama forced UF to have to pass and unfortunately Tebow was very precise with his passes and thats how they won. I trust Saban will have a great gameplan to knock Auburn off.
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                        • officepoolguy
                          SBR Sharp
                          • 07-19-10
                          • 384

                          #13
                          Excellent write up and trends...leaning Auburn now.
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                          • cant call it
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                            • 08-29-10
                            • 8817

                            #14
                            bama rolls baby!
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                            • thebestthereis
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 03-01-09
                              • 11459

                              #15
                              squares on auburn of course but that is the winner, squares are the new sharps like 50 is the new 40.
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                              • lyon804
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 11-02-09
                                • 6526

                                #16
                                Auburn fans should be praying for an Alabama win to spare them the embarrasment of playing Oregon for the championship. Auburn has had a very nice year, but it has been a blessing to have such an easy schedule with all the better opponents played at home and in 3 of those were trailing and 2 were trailing at the half to Clemson/South Carolina. When Auburn has played on the road to a quality opponent they have struggled. Alabama is a quality opponent that has had a more difficult schedule playing SC,Arkansas,and LSU on the road. All 3 were tough games for Auburn@Home although the score suggest they blew out Arkansas but anybody watching the game could see it differently. Alabama is still a very good home team not losing at home since 2007 winning like 21-22 straight home games.




                                Auburn has alot on the line an I expect them to bring there best and if they beat Alabama they got there money's worth out of Cam Newton.. Gotta give Auburn where credit is due.. most times schools pay for players and they don't get what they were paying for but Auburn def got the bell cow with Newton.


                                One last thing.. if Auburn does win the Iron Bowl they will lose in the SEC Championship to SC. SC is very physical and this game will be at a neutral site. Unfortunately, Auburn fans will have to put there fan gear up after this week or next.


                                A nice little clip I found on Youtube

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                                • wookieehumper
                                  SBR Sharp
                                  • 11-09-09
                                  • 355

                                  #17
                                  Alabama will win this and it won't be close
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                                  • SimonSayz
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 10-17-09
                                    • 859

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by lyon804
                                    Auburn fans should be praying for an Alabama win to spare them the embarrasment of playing Oregon for the championship. Auburn has had a very nice year, but it has been a blessing to have such an easy schedule with all the better opponents played at home and in 3 of those were trailing and 2 were trailing at the half to Clemson/South Carolina. When Auburn has played on the road to a quality opponent they have struggled. Alabama is a quality opponent that has had a more difficult schedule playing SC,Arkansas,and LSU on the road. All 3 were tough games for Auburn@Home although the score suggest they blew out Arkansas but anybody watching the game could see it differently. Alabama is still a very good home team not losing at home since 2007 winning like 21-22 straight home games.




                                    Auburn has alot on the line an I expect them to bring there best and if they beat Alabama they got there money's worth out of Cam Newton.. Gotta give Auburn where credit is due.. most times schools pay for players and they don't get what they were paying for but Auburn def got the bell cow with Newton.


                                    One last thing.. if Auburn does win the Iron Bowl they will lose in the SEC Championship to SC. SC is very physical and this game will be at a neutral site. Unfortunately, Auburn fans will have to put there fan gear up after this week or next.


                                    A nice little clip I found on Youtube

                                    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XL_mS44AYAk
                                    Lyon....I wasn't expecting so much ignorance out of you. I respect you highly when it comes to the NBA but to not give any credit to the SEC schedule calling AUs schedule easy is laughable.

                                    How can you defend Oregon and the way they have played vs Washington and California?

                                    Here is the deal....a 1-loss SEC team should most always play in the title game IF they win the SEC championship. I can honestly say that no other team outside the SEC goes through the gauntlet every Saturday. Look at LSU barely getting by Ole Miss....my point exactly. You can also throw out "impressive wins" in the SEC and substitute "a win is a win"....
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                                    • hostile takeover
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 12-06-09
                                      • 2258

                                      #19
                                      could see a good ole fashion thumping by Bama here
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                                      • willieteal
                                        SBR Hustler
                                        • 11-23-10
                                        • 91

                                        #20
                                        I follow the SEC very closely.

                                        The number is not surprising.

                                        But I think it is there because of a perception that Nick Saban will find a way to stop Newton and Malzah's offense. The way LSU stopped Oklahoma when they seemed unstoppable.

                                        I just don't see that here.

                                        Newton is in another world.
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                                        • thebestthereis
                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                          • 03-01-09
                                          • 11459

                                          #21
                                          when it comes to guys like newton there is no coach that is stopping him if he is on another level against these college kids. saban can do what he wants just like the giants did vs vick last week; doesn't matter how good you plan. it won't matter if this kid is the real deal...if he is what everyone says he is auburn wins and saban can't do anything about it no matter what.
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                                          • HoldEmHook!!
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 10-08-09
                                            • 2962

                                            #22
                                            The above poster mentioned something about Oregon.....Well as the past has shown the rest of the nation fails to compete with a 0,1, or even a 2 loss SEC school. I think Auburn should be the favorite in this game. IMO Bama's D has not improved the way it should have over the course of a season (and thats painful for me to admit). Bama's D has been consistant in making the same mistakes over and over again. I dont know if Bama can beat Auburn, but outscoring Auburn is very possible. Auburn's D is very suspect as well. They have shut no one down. I wont wager on this game but I will be watching intently.....And should Auburn win.......well.... I will as always pull for the SEC as I have in ever bowl game ROLL TIDE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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                                            • lyon804
                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                              • 11-02-09
                                              • 6526

                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by SimonSayz
                                              Lyon....I wasn't expecting so much ignorance out of you. I respect you highly when it comes to the NBA but to not give any credit to the SEC schedule calling AUs schedule easy is laughable.

                                              How can you defend Oregon and the way they have played vs Washington and California?

                                              Here is the deal....a 1-loss SEC team should most always play in the title game IF they win the SEC championship. I can honestly say that no other team outside the SEC goes through the gauntlet every Saturday. Look at LSU barely getting by Ole Miss....my point exactly. You can also throw out "impressive wins" in the SEC and substitute "a win is a win"....


                                              You twisted what I said...typical. Auburn played very good teams of course but they had the benefit of playing them at home. I am an SEC homer, but Oregon is on another level from Auburn. I see that. Do you not? Anyways, if you guys beat Bama which is not the best time of the year to get a true road test... I really think SC pumps Auburn in the SEC title game. SC is nasty. If they had any focus or coaching they would have been more consistent because they have what wins. Physical, O,D-LINE. very fast. I might be wrong about the Iron bowl, but trust me Auburn will get pumped in Georgia. That is just honesty.
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                                              • Sunde91
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 11-26-09
                                                • 8325

                                                #24
                                                Play has to be Bama.

                                                1)Saban is fukin pissed with this season and will motivate the fuk out of his team. They can maybe get a BCS bowl if they win and LSU loses.

                                                2)Auburn has a joke schedule. This is only their 4th road game and they're playing their ultra-rival. Team flat-out is not tested.

                                                3)Public already slamming Auburn and it moved up .5 to 4.5. 4 seems like A LOT of points to GIVE the #2 team as it is, now books are taking it to a critical # @ 4.5 against the movement of money? Hmm.

                                                4)Bama is still 7th nationally in total D. LSU held Auburn to 24 points in Auburn. Bama will most definitely cause problems for them at home.
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                                                • PoweRay
                                                  Restricted User
                                                  • 09-07-10
                                                  • 417

                                                  #25
                                                  I can't wait for this game!
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                                                  • PLAYA-PLAYA
                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                    • 09-11-10
                                                    • 356

                                                    #26
                                                    GOING to BE ONE HECK OF A GAME--------I ONLY WISH ALABAMA WOULD HAVE BEATEN LSU-------THEN THIS GAME WOULD HAVE BEEN FOR ALL THE MARBLES--------ALABAMA HAS FADED A VERY TOUGH SCHEDULE THIS YEAR---------SIX OF THE EIGHT SEC TEAMS ALABAMA FACED THIS YEAR -----HAD A BYE WEEK TO PREPARE FOR "BAMA"------AUBURN PREPARED LAST WEEK---------I THINK THE PLAY IS -----"UNDER THE TOTAL"----GOOD LUCK WHATEVER YOU PLAY----------"REFUSE TO LOSE"
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                                                    • bornselling
                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                      • 12-02-09
                                                      • 568

                                                      #27
                                                      It's justified this time.
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                                                      • WorkHorse
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 08-22-10
                                                        • 2185

                                                        #28
                                                        The strength of the Auburn offense is the running game. Look for Alabama to load up and stop the run and make the Tigers go to the air.

                                                        Auburn is ranked third in the nation in rushing. Tailbacks Michael Dyer, Onterio McCalebb and Mario Fannin have combined for 1,909 yards and 18 touchdowns on 270 carries. Newton is the leading rusher with 1,297 yards on 209 carries. Newton has passed for 2,038 yards.
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                                                        • mike1814
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                                                          • 01-14-10
                                                          • 199

                                                          #29
                                                          peace out Auburn. The dream is OVER!
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                                                          • BernardMadoff
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                                                            • 12-12-09
                                                            • 6679

                                                            #30
                                                            If bama wins it will probably be inside the number people need to consider this before loading up on bama.
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                                                            • t-wizzle
                                                              BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                              • 12-18-09
                                                              • 38099

                                                              #31
                                                              Bama got absolutely pounded out of the gate at pinnacle, moving from -3 to -4.5

                                                              At home, I think the Crimson Tide are the play but it is just so hard to go against Auburn. Bama has the talent to stop the Tigers explosive offense and I think we also have to keep in mind how great of a coach Nick Saban is, particularly in the big games.

                                                              Here's a question: Is it worth it to take the Bama ML? 4/4.5 is a risky number and the moneyline is down in the -170 range at some shops.
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                                                              • SimonSayz
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 10-17-09
                                                                • 859

                                                                #32
                                                                I laugh at the people in this thread who say Alabama will roll without a detailed explanation....I personally think it will be a tight, high scoring affair. To address some of the questions as to why Alabama is the favorite, early action, etc...I offer you this (staying with thoughtful, educated insight).

                                                                A lot is made of what the odds makers think about a game going in, and there's no doubt that their opinions should be respected. With that being said, making Alabama a favorite on their home field isn't really much of a surprise.

                                                                Alabama opened as a 3.5-point favorite and the line currently sits somewhere between 4 and 5-points depending on where you look. I'm a little surprised it has moved towards Alabama given the fact that early money was going on Auburn, but the line is still finding its rightful spot. Home field typically gives teams 3 points, although that number can be a bit higher in college, especially in rivalry games like this. And while many are taken aback to see an undefeated team with the national praise that Auburn receives come in as a dog to a 2-loss team, it's certainly not far fetched.

                                                                Alabama should be able to keep Newton from going hog wild, but they won't be able to shut him down....no one can. Look at what happened against the highly ranked LSU Defense....400+ rushing yards (220 by Newton). However, IF Bama can prevent the big play that we saw Newton rip off a good LSU defense, they might put themselves in a spot to win. Auburn will certainly find the end zone, though, and the Tide will need to respond....if not, Auburn will pull away like they have the rest of their opponents.

                                                                Getting a healthy Trent Richardson back will be huge for a Bama offense that will want to control the ball. Long drives sparked by a sound rushing attack will be key in their offensive success. Greg McElroy has performed well in these types of games, but threw interceptions in some important spots earlier in the year. Turning the ball over and giving the Auburn offense a short field could spell trouble.

                                                                Auburn will need to win how they've won all year, and that's by scoring points. Only three times this year has the Auburn offense been held under 30 points in a game and Alabama's young defense isn't nearly the same bunch we saw last season.

                                                                This won't be the same rock 'em sock 'em SEC game we've grown accustomed to seeing in this series, and the scoreboard will be active. Whoever can avoid the big mistakes and perhaps break a big play or two along the way should be able to take this one.

                                                                One more day until my prediction for this game. 36 hours until I depart for Tuscaloosa with the Auburn flags flying!

                                                                WDE.
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                                                                • BRAVES1985
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                                                                  • 05-23-10
                                                                  • 4250

                                                                  #33
                                                                  bama is the play
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                                                                  • Foals
                                                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                                                    • 01-20-10
                                                                    • 857

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Big difference IMO is that Bama has the offensive firepower to back up it's great defense while LSU does not. LSU limited Auburn to 24 a few weeks back with Newton having one of the best games of his career. Now he is going into a hostile environment and this is the game that defines his college career IMO. Huge pressure on Newton to perform and I am sure Bama will be pumped up.
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                                                                    • lyon804
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 11-02-09
                                                                      • 6526

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by SimonSayz
                                                                      I laugh at the people in this thread who say Alabama will roll without a detailed explanation....I personally think it will be a tight, high scoring affair. To address some of the questions as to why Alabama is the favorite, early action, etc...I offer you this (staying with thoughtful, educated insight).

                                                                      A lot is made of what the odds makers think about a game going in, and there's no doubt that their opinions should be respected. With that being said, making Alabama a favorite on their home field isn't really much of a surprise.

                                                                      Alabama opened as a 3.5-point favorite and the line currently sits somewhere between 4 and 5-points depending on where you look. I'm a little surprised it has moved towards Alabama given the fact that early money was going on Auburn, but the line is still finding its rightful spot. Home field typically gives teams 3 points, although that number can be a bit higher in college, especially in rivalry games like this. And while many are taken aback to see an undefeated team with the national praise that Auburn receives come in as a dog to a 2-loss team, it's certainly not far fetched.

                                                                      Alabama should be able to keep Newton from going hog wild, but they won't be able to shut him down....no one can. Look at what happened against the highly ranked LSU Defense....400+ rushing yards (220 by Newton). However, IF Bama can prevent the big play that we saw Newton rip off a good LSU defense, they might put themselves in a spot to win. Auburn will certainly find the end zone, though, and the Tide will need to respond....if not, Auburn will pull away like they have the rest of their opponents.

                                                                      Getting a healthy Trent Richardson back will be huge for a Bama offense that will want to control the ball. Long drives sparked by a sound rushing attack will be key in their offensive success. Greg McElroy has performed well in these types of games, but threw interceptions in some important spots earlier in the year. Turning the ball over and giving the Auburn offense a short field could spell trouble.

                                                                      Auburn will need to win how they've won all year, and that's by scoring points. Only three times this year has the Auburn offense been held under 30 points in a game and Alabama's young defense isn't nearly the same bunch we saw last season.

                                                                      This won't be the same rock 'em sock 'em SEC game we've grown accustomed to seeing in this series, and the scoreboard will be active. Whoever can avoid the big mistakes and perhaps break a big play or two along the way should be able to take this one.

                                                                      One more day until my prediction for this game. 36 hours until I depart for Tuscaloosa with the Auburn flags flying!

                                                                      WDE.


                                                                      Very nice writeup! Hope you enjoy the game and make sure you stay for the "rammer jammer" at the end
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