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  • drfader
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 11-01-16
    • 976

    #1
    San Jose St +17.5 First half.
    I think Boise St starts off slow. Getting 17.5 in the first half for San Jose. In my Poolside betting challenge this is bet #3. Having doubts now. What are your thoughts?
  • HeeluvaGuy
    SBR MVP
    • 02-15-14
    • 3449

    #2
    I don't have an opinion, but I'm curious ... Why you think Boise St will start off slowly? And what changed since you had that thought?

    Answer those questions and you may be able to find the play you like.

    Good luck whatever you decide.
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    • drfader
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 11-01-16
      • 976

      #3
      Well, originally I viewing totals/spread calcs and then looking at matchups. I believe SJSU's secondary can play tight and San Jose will come out strong first half. To be honest- this was more belief than numbers based.

      Then I started looking at first half scoring numbers for each team and saw a high probability that Boise leads by 20 at the half.

      Just wanted to read some thoughts on the teams/games in general.
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      • JayDr3am
        SBR Posting Legend
        • 05-06-14
        • 18260

        #4
        Originally posted by drfader
        I think Boise St starts off slow. Getting 17.5 in the first half for San Jose. In my Poolside betting challenge this is bet #3. Having doubts now. What are your thoughts?
        i was looking at san jose 1H too but i would need a field goal more to really bite on this. i do like the way you're attacking this game though fader BOL this weekend
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        • HeeluvaGuy
          SBR MVP
          • 02-15-14
          • 3449

          #5
          SJSU allows 8.5 yards per pass attempt on defense. That is #120 out of 128 FBS teams. They also allow 5.54 yards per carry, which puts them at #123. SJSU is in the first year of trying to convert from a 4-3 defense to a 3-4. So the personnel isn't right for what they're doing and they're new at it anyway.

          To me, the only way this stays remotely close is if Boise St. just doesn't give a shit after losing last week. I have no way to measure that, so it's a pass for me.
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          • drfader
            SBR Wise Guy
            • 11-01-16
            • 976

            #6
            Wow HG, see? Theres all sorts numbers I should have double checked before I got trigger fingers on a tossup spread like this. Oh well. I will own this and be smarter in the future whatever happens
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            • JayDr3am
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 05-06-14
              • 18260

              #7
              Originally posted by drfader
              Wow HG, see? Theres all sorts numbers I should have double checked before I got trigger fingers on a tossup spread like this. Oh well. I will own this and be smarter in the future whatever happens
              yeah helluvaguy posts some awesome stats that help. i see boise covering the entire game and covering early so i cant really see a edge in this game
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              • HeeluvaGuy
                SBR MVP
                • 02-15-14
                • 3449

                #8
                Originally posted by drfader
                Wow HG, see? Theres all sorts numbers I should have double checked before I got trigger fingers on a tossup spread like this. Oh well. I will own this and be smarter in the future whatever happens
                Well, you're up 17.5 right now. Anything can happen.
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                • JTrain
                  SBR Wise Guy
                  • 09-29-13
                  • 551

                  #9
                  If you like SJSU 1H take TT over 7 +120 (heritage)
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                  • JayDr3am
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 05-06-14
                    • 18260

                    #10
                    Originally posted by JTrain
                    If you like SJSU 1H take TT over 7 +120 (heritage)
                    do you like heritage j train?
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                    • HeeluvaGuy
                      SBR MVP
                      • 02-15-14
                      • 3449

                      #11
                      Just my $.02 worth, but one of the biggest mistakes I see folks make is looking at a stat like SJSU's average passing yards against (207) and assuming they're good against the pass. Well, one of the reasons that number is so low is because teams run all over them. But when they do throw it, they have a lot of success.

                      Stats like yards per play, yards per rush, yards per pass, and yards per point are a lot more helpful. And even more helpful is comparing those numbers to opponents' averages. For example, SJSU allows over a yard per pass attempt more than their opponents average. Rushing is .6 yards.

                      All that said, I'm sure they will look like the 85 Bears tonight. Lol

                      Again, best of luck with your action.
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                      • drfader
                        SBR Wise Guy
                        • 11-01-16
                        • 976

                        #12
                        Nice! Well, if I was confident I would be all over that!
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                        • HeeluvaGuy
                          SBR MVP
                          • 02-15-14
                          • 3449

                          #13
                          Originally posted by JayDr3am
                          yeah helluvaguy posts some awesome stats that help. i see boise covering the entire game and covering early so i cant really see a edge in this game
                          Thanks for the nice words Jay.
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                          • drfader
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 11-01-16
                            • 976

                            #14
                            Hey HG thanks for the advice! So I do tend to look at yards per point for an idea of totals, but I am trying to figure out how to quantify opponent strength in that. I definitely agree that the matchup is super critical in college, given lack of parity between teams.
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                            • JayDr3am
                              SBR Posting Legend
                              • 05-06-14
                              • 18260

                              #15
                              Originally posted by HeeluvaGuy
                              Thanks for the nice words Jay.
                              The credit is due!
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                              • drfader
                                SBR Wise Guy
                                • 11-01-16
                                • 976

                                #16
                                Like Louisville at Boston College this weekend. Numbers say itll be alot closer than spread indicates. But I would NOT want go against Loisville at this point. How do I get a better grasp onmthe matchup?
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                                • Eric22174
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 10-01-10
                                  • 1334

                                  #17
                                  Boise State hasn't covered the last 7 on the blue turf. Handcuff that with them losing last week.
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                                  • HeeluvaGuy
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 02-15-14
                                    • 3449

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by drfader
                                    Like Louisville at Boston College this weekend. Numbers say itll be alot closer than spread indicates. But I would NOT want go against Loisville at this point. How do I get a better grasp onmthe matchup?
                                    Sometimes you don't. No need to play every game.
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                                    • JayDr3am
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 05-06-14
                                      • 18260

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by drfader
                                      Like Louisville at Boston College this weekend. Numbers say itll be alot closer than spread indicates. But I would NOT want go against Loisville at this point. How do I get a better grasp onmthe matchup?
                                      look for a 1H or a 2H play.. playing it live may have some value. otherwise its a pass.
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                                      • JTrain
                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                        • 09-29-13
                                        • 551

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by JayDr3am
                                        do you like heritage j train?
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                                        • QuantumLeap
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 08-22-08
                                          • 6880

                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by HeeluvaGuy
                                          Just my $.02 worth, but one of the biggest mistakes I see folks make is looking at a stat like SJSU's average passing yards against (207) and assuming they're good against the pass. Well, one of the reasons that number is so low is because teams run all over them. But when they do throw it, they have a lot of success.

                                          Stats like yards per play, yards per rush, yards per pass, and yards per point are a lot more helpful. And even more helpful is comparing those numbers to opponents' averages. For example, SJSU allows over a yard per pass attempt more than their opponents average. Rushing is .6 yards.

                                          All that said, I'm sure they will look like the 85 Bears tonight. Lol

                                          Again, best of luck with your action.
                                          The way I look at it is that SJSU has been beaten by more than 30 points 3 times this year. Two of those times were against good running teams. The third was Iowa St and we saw how they could hang with Oklahoma last night.

                                          Boise St is 1-10 ATS at home in their last 11 games. They never seem to really get up for home games which is something they will need to do in order to cover this huge spread.
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                                          • HeeluvaGuy
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 02-15-14
                                            • 3449

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by QuantumLeap
                                            The way I look at it is that SJSU has been beaten by more than 30 points 3 times this year. Two of those times were against good running teams. The third was Iowa St and we saw how they could hang with Oklahoma last night.

                                            Boise St is 1-10 ATS at home in their last 11 games. They never seem to really get up for home games which is something they will need to do in order to cover this huge spread.
                                            My model has it as a 26-point game, but we were generally talking about the first half. The line move here is pretty much meaningless it has always been a 5 TD line. I wouldn't lay that, but I also couldn't back SJSU here. They are really, really bad.
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                                            • drfader
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 11-01-16
                                              • 976

                                              #23
                                              So much for Boise St and slow start.....
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                                              • QuantumLeap
                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                • 08-22-08
                                                • 6880

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by HeeluvaGuy
                                                My model has it as a 26-point game, but we were generally talking about the first half. The line move here is pretty much meaningless it has always been a 5 TD line. I wouldn't lay that, but I also couldn't back SJSU here. They are really, really bad.
                                                Yeah, I can see how my comments were about the whole game. I should have said that I believe they can be applied to the 1st half as well.

                                                As far as the line movement goes, the books can move lines like this when the public is big on the favorite. That's what I'm counting on. It worked for Iowa St and UCLA last night. We'll see if it works here tonight.
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                                                • QuantumLeap
                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                  • 08-22-08
                                                  • 6880

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by drfader
                                                  So much for Boise St and slow start.....
                                                  I was impressed with that latest drive by SJSU.
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                                                  • sportsfan9698
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 05-17-14
                                                    • 1995

                                                    #26
                                                    I'm already starting to regret playing Boise -30
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                                                    • paco
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 05-07-09
                                                      • 62873

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by sportsfan9698
                                                      I'm already starting to regret playing Boise -30
                                                      When was the last time Boise covered at home?
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                                                      • JayDr3am
                                                        SBR Posting Legend
                                                        • 05-06-14
                                                        • 18260

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by paco
                                                        When was the last time Boise covered at home?
                                                        no exact date but its been week(s)
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                                                        • QuantumLeap
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 08-22-08
                                                          • 6880

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by JayDr3am
                                                          no exact date but its been week(s)
                                                          October 3, 2015 against Hawaii.
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                                                          • JTrain
                                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                                            • 09-29-13
                                                            • 551

                                                            #30
                                                            Originally posted by JTrain
                                                            If you like SJSU 1H take TT over 7 +120 (heritage)
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                                                            • omega
                                                              SBR MVP
                                                              • 04-20-14
                                                              • 1201

                                                              #31
                                                              SJS is actually moving the ball. Their RB getting injured may have been the best thing to happen to them.
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                                                              • HeeluvaGuy
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 02-15-14
                                                                • 3449

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by JTrain
                                                                If you like SJSU 1H take TT over 7 +120 (heritage)
                                                                Very nice call. Way to squeeze a few extra bucks out.
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                                                                • drfader
                                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                                  • 11-01-16
                                                                  • 976

                                                                  #33
                                                                  I wouldve actually done that but dont have an account there
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                                                                  • QuantumLeap
                                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                    • 08-22-08
                                                                    • 6880

                                                                    #34
                                                                    Nice call on the 1st half SJSU.
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                                                                    • drfader
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 11-01-16
                                                                      • 976

                                                                      #35
                                                                      Thank you Thank you.

                                                                      Off to place bet #4
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