UFC 150 in Denver

**Beelzebubzy** · 07-28-12, 09:45 AM

Dude let it ride

Do you think there is value at -140? Does shields win this 58 times outta 100?
If this goes to a dec, shields wil have the name power with those tards plus top control

**gabe** · 07-28-12, 01:21 PM

Originally posted by gabe

I think it's a close fight and probably one to skip, but if you're gonna play anything, the Ging is the way to go. He's been more and more impressive fight after fight. Jake Shields, less and less impressive fight after fight. This is the fight of Herman's life. He's gonna go all out, balls to the wall. When he wins, he's probably gonna cry.

I actually thought this about Shawn Jordan, too, but look how he performed... Sometimes, it doesn't make sense... But Herman def seems a lot more motivated than Jordan ever did. Jordan kept saying it's a win-win situation, Herman is saying he wants to knock him out and go after the title.

**gabe** · 08-05-12, 04:59 PM

Max Holloway opened as a -190 fav against Justin Lawrence??? wtf??? I was hoping to get him as a +250 dog.

**Vaughany** · 08-05-12, 05:06 PM

Originally posted by gabe

Max Holloway opened as a -190 fav against Justin Lawrence??? wtf??? I was hoping to get him as a +250 dog.

yeah bit surprising! I maxed the the Lawrence line in anticipation of him ending up at least Evens

**gabe** · 08-05-12, 05:11 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

yeah bit surprising! I maxed the the Lawrence line in anticipation of him ending up at least Evens

Smart move, if you think Lawrence has a good shot.

He does... at getting a close decision... but I think Holloway takes it, probably by KO.

**gabe** · 08-05-12, 05:15 PM

Damn, people pounded the shit out of Okami at -320.... juicy, but still-- lucky fux....

that said, i wouldn't be surprised if okami gets KO'd late, even to the worst fighter he's ever faced in buddy roberts.

**Sato** · 08-05-12, 05:24 PM

Originally posted by gabe

Damn, people pounded the shit out of Okami at -320.... juicy, but still-- lucky fux....

that said, i wouldn't be surprised if okami gets KO'd late, even to the worst fighter he's ever faced in buddy roberts.

Okami can NOT let that happen. Not for his records sake....for his HONORS sake!

**Vaughany** · 08-05-12, 05:25 PM

yeah would be amazed if he lost

**Beelzebubzy** · 08-05-12, 05:28 PM

I grabbed Okami at -320
Threw it in a parlay with Jones, and Cormier
paying 1 - .94

**GunShard** · 08-05-12, 06:10 PM

Henderson has home advantage. But I wonder if this effects MMA that much.

Faber's fights in Sacremento has been good and fighters that are Brazilian have won most of their fights when held in Brazil.

**Vitooch** · 08-05-12, 06:18 PM

Herman's striking looked good against Starks? I don't remember that being the case

**GunShard** · 08-05-12, 06:43 PM

I like Holloway to defeat Lawrence after seeing this.
I know Lawrence does not have a submission game, which gives the edge to Holloway, who is the better striker.

**rocky16** · 08-05-12, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by Vitooch

Herman's striking looked good against Starks? I don't remember that being the case

Herman was getting tagged in that fight. Shields -180 is the play here. I think Short fuse is getting the wet blanket treatment for 3 rounds. Shields could pull off a sub but Herman is pretty slick on the ground.

**Beelzebubzy** · 08-05-12, 07:17 PM

I dont think Herman has the bottom game to compete with Shields blanket. I do think Herman's striking looked better than previous fights.

**gabe** · 08-05-12, 07:21 PM

Short Fuse ITD

Herman is going to be throwing bombs with bad intentions. 170lb Ellenberger put him away, 185lb Herman will, too, if he connects.

**Grabaka** · 08-05-12, 07:44 PM

Im going short fuse straight up. Also was wishing for Holloway as a medium-big dog.

**Vitooch** · 08-05-12, 07:49 PM

I think Shields is a much better fighter at 185 than 170... Starks gave Herman some trouble in that first round and Starks is a much more "raw" or "green" fighter than the extremely skilled and experienced Shields

**gabe** · 08-05-12, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by Vitooch

I think Shields is a much better fighter at 185 than 170... Starks gave Herman some trouble in that first round and Starks is a much more "raw" or "green" fighter than the extremely skilled and experienced Shields

lol i would probably bet starks over shields too right now

i think herman/shields is a coin-flip, i'm with the dog. my gut tells me herman, so i would even bet him as a slight fav.

**Grabaka** · 08-05-12, 08:03 PM

Originally posted by Vitooch

I think Shields is a much better fighter at 185 than 170... Starks gave Herman some trouble in that first round and Starks is a much more "raw" or "green" fighter than the extremely skilled and experienced Shields

Thats what everybody says but im not buying it anymore. He took down an injured Hendo and his wrestling became so overrated. He has looked frail pretty often. Yes the skills are there but i feel he will fail at getting the takedown.
On the other hand Herman has looked better with his boxing and Shields is such a stiff at boxing.
So IMHO tons of value on Herman.

**gabe** · 08-05-12, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by Grabaka

Thats what everybody says but im not buying it anymore. He took down an injured Hendo and his wrestling became so overrated. He has looked frail pretty often. Yes the skills are there but i feel he will fail at getting the takedown.
On the other hand Herman has looked better with his boxing and Shields is such a stiff at boxing.
So IMHO tons of value on Herman.

Gotta say, homie. I love it when you come through with your honest opinions.

**Grabaka** · 08-05-12, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by gabe

Gotta say, homie. I love it when you come through with your honest opinions.

Not sure if serious but respeeeekkkk homez.

**gabe** · 08-05-12, 08:19 PM

Originally posted by Grabaka

Not sure if serious but respeeeekkkk homez.

lol i think it's funny when people say IMHO... why would anyone give a dishonest opinion? ha

respek

**rocky16** · 08-05-12, 08:50 PM

Originally posted by Vitooch

I think Shields is a much better fighter at 185 than 170... Starks gave Herman some trouble in that first round and Starks is a much more "raw" or "green" fighter than the extremely skilled and experienced Shields

Completely agree. Shields at this point in his career is much better at 85. He's gotten older and the cut to 70 was just too much. People are acting like Herman is a K1 level striker or something here. Herman is going to get outwrestled and outgrappled in this spot. Good luck the the people betting Herman.

**Grabaka** · 08-05-12, 10:17 PM

Originally posted by gabe

lol i think it's funny when people say IMHO... why would anyone give a dishonest opinion? ha

respek

No amigo. Is in my humble opinion = IMHO

**eligibletackle** · 08-05-12, 11:06 PM

Cerrone is way too pricey now. Liking Guillard but even if I didn't I don't think there's value w/ cerone @ -350, c'mon.

Backing Herman as well!

**Jesus Christ** · 08-05-12, 11:07 PM

Herman looks very good at +160 to me

**Imsmarterthanu** · 08-06-12, 01:54 AM

I think Ben Henderson wins

Donald Cerrone should dominate

Jake Shields wins

and Max Holloway knocks out Lawrence in an exciting scrap

**GunShard** · 08-06-12, 02:06 AM

Looks like the public is all over Lawrence. Good spot to bet on Holloway later in the week.

**Vaughany** · 08-06-12, 03:00 AM

Originally posted by GunShard

Henderson has home advantage. But I wonder if this effects MMA that much.

Faber's fights in Sacremento has been good and fighters that are Brazilian have won most of their fights when held in Brazil.

Depends if you believe in judges being biased I guess. Also, in this particular case, Henderson is used to high altitude training, while Frankie is coming out from New Joysie and having to spend an extra week or 2 in Colorado to adjust.

**TheCalculator** · 08-06-12, 03:04 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Depends if you believe in judges being biased I guess. Also, in this particular case, Henderson is used to high altitude training, while Frankie is coming out from New Joysie and having to spend an extra week or 2 in Colorado to adjust.

In the last Canadian event, most of the Canadians had great first rounds. Then basically blew their loads and gassed (except Jimmo).

**gabe** · 08-06-12, 04:21 AM

Originally posted by Grabaka

No amigo. Is in my humble opinion = IMHO

it's both, but same thing.

**Sato** · 08-06-12, 05:14 AM

Alright alright!

Nik Lentz Vs. Eiji Mitsuoka. What do you guys see in this very first matchup of the card? You see it? Mr. Mitsuoka will never win even if he was allowed to carry a 9 mm.

Theres so many reasons, but the obvious main one will be the japanese UFC curse. Eiji's coming off a loss and this'll be his 2nd UFC appearance. I know Nikky boy didnt impress either BUT much more experience in the big league.

Ill be pounding Nikkys line tasteless hard.

**Vaughany** · 08-06-12, 05:16 AM

Originally posted by Sato

Alright alright!

Nik Lentz Vs. Eiji Mitsuoka. What do you guys see in this very first matchup of the card? You see it? Mr. Mitsuoka will never win even if he was allowed to carry a 9 mm.

Theres so many reasons, but the obvious main one will be the japanese UFC curse. Eiji's coming off a loss and this'll be his 2nd UFC appearance. I know Nikky boy didnt impress either BUT much more experience in the big league.

Ill be pounding Nikkys line tasteless hard.

I like Nik but depends on the line. Might be slightly over-valued

**gabe** · 08-06-12, 05:17 AM

stfu about fights the lines aren't out for

i'm now a believer in linesmakers reading these threads

**Sato** · 08-06-12, 05:30 AM

You'll be pounding Nikkys line harder than Jenna Jamesons gardener Jenna.