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**gabe** · 01-30-12, 05:44 PM

31-0 gets no respect around here

koscheck and barao-- quit fkn around!!!!!

anybody following me on these???

kos+barao parlay

**Vaughany** · 01-30-12, 05:44 PM

"patches"! lol

**Beelzebubzy** · 01-30-12, 05:44 PM

Originally posted by gabe

31-0 gets no respect around here

koscheck and barao-- quit fkn around!!!!!

Anthony Johnson

**Vaughany** · 01-30-12, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by gabe

31-0 gets no respect around here

koscheck and barao-- quit fkn around!!!!!

ha A 31-0 that is pulled out of nowhere tho Gabe. Surely u can understand why guys on here would not blindly believe u on this? U saw the amount of heat our friend Brady got for sayin he went 100% in one event so I highly doubt people are gonna believe u being 31-0 over a load of events. The fact tht u call them monster locks and all tht doesnt help!

**proposition joe** · 01-30-12, 05:47 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Pierce lay n praying Kos?

Why wouldn't he? It's his best path to winning IMO

**Vaughany** · 01-30-12, 05:48 PM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

Anthony Johnson

What the **** dude, how many times has Gabe gotta say tht tht was downgraded from monster-lock to a semi-lock!

**Beelzebubzy** · 01-30-12, 05:49 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

What the **** dude, how many times has Gabe gotta say tht tht was downgraded to a semi-lock!

my bad brah!

I thought we were counting super mega locks, mega locks, big plays, big bets, best bets, better best bet yet, semi-lock, and dont-forgot-my-lock.

stupid Bubzy

**Vaughany** · 01-30-12, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by proposition joe

Why wouldn't he? It's his best path to winning IMO

His best chance would be catching Kos standing like P.Thiago did. Mike Pierce is hardly GSP when it comes to wrestling. Perhaps surprising Kos with the odd takedown could work but he isn't going to be able to do it repeatedly or keep Koscheck on the ground for any sustained period even if he did get the takedown.

**Educ8d Degener8** · 01-30-12, 05:51 PM

Originally posted by gabe

31-0 gets no respect around here...

It's cos you're calling it 31-0, when you should be stating it as a 100% MMA

Win Rate...

**Vaughany** · 01-30-12, 05:52 PM

**gabe** · 01-30-12, 05:53 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

ha A 31-0 that is pulled out of nowhere tho Gabe. Surely u can understand why guys on here would not blindly believe u on this? U saw the amount of heat our friend Brady got for sayin he went 100% in one event so I highly doubt people are gonna believe u being 31-0 over a load of events. The fact tht u call them monster locks and all tht doesnt help!

Out of nowhere??? WTF?? I was only 14-0 when I got here (and you didn't believe me then and were laughing because i said i was 14-0,) and i've gone 17-0 since. How is that out of nowhere???

**Beelzebubzy** · 01-30-12, 05:55 PM

Gabe vs Blades vs Brady

Triple Threat Percentage MMA fight in the Cage of Doom

**Vaughany** · 01-30-12, 05:58 PM

Originally posted by gabe

Out of nowhere??? WTF?? I was only 14-0 when I got here (and you didn't believe me then and were laughing because i said i was 14-0,) and i've gone 17-0 since. How is that out of nowhere???

Okay, if you can name the 17 I'll bow down...and like I said there is no evidence of the remaining 14-0. Doesnt matter if u say you were 1-0 or 525-0...the fact is that there was no evidence so people are naturally going to be skeptical. Not saying I dont believe u but tht is how most people who look at your thread are gonna think

**gabe** · 01-30-12, 05:59 PM

Originally posted by Beelzebubzy

Anthony Johnson

If Josh Koscheck shows up at 182lbs on weigh-in day and they don't let him rehydrate more than a few lbs, then you shouldn't bet on Josh Koscheck.

He is a solid play AS LONG as he shows up healthy. You have to be a serious fool to still consider Anthony Johnson a solid play after the weigh-ins debacle. Don't be an idiot and act like that didn't effect his performance. He gassed out too fast because of it. He easily dominated Vitor before he gassed. If you can't see that a healthy Rumble would have been a solid play, then I don't respect anything you have to say regarding MMA.

**Vaughany** · 01-30-12, 06:05 PM

Originally posted by gabe

If Josh Koscheck shows up at 182lbs on weigh-in day and they don't let him rehydrate more than a few lbs, then you shouldn't bet on Josh Koscheck.

He is a solid play AS LONG as he shows up healthy. You have to be a serious fool to still consider Anthony Johnson a solid play after the weigh-ins debacle. Don't be an idiot and act like that didn't effect his performance. He gassed out too fast because of it. He easily dominated Vitor before he gassed. If you can't see that a healthy Rumble would have been a solid play, then I don't respect anything you have to say regarding MMA.

Yet u still added more money on Rumble after this debacle which kind of contradicts what you're saying above and is kinda ironic!

**more_betterness** · 01-30-12, 06:09 PM

Originally posted by gabe

31-0 gets no respect around here koscheck and barao-- quit fkn around!!!!! anybody following me on these??? kos+barao parlay

With you on Kos and agree that Barao should be the favorite, but he has no experience facing anyone that can get close to Jorgensen's level of wrestling. He obviously has a vastly superior striking game, but I'm not laying above -200 on someone with largely unproven TDD who looked far from dominant against fricken Cole Escovedo.

Originally posted by Vaughany

"patches"! lol

I'm also partial to "acid-wash."

**Kaladarus** · 01-30-12, 06:29 PM

Originally posted by gabe

If Josh Koscheck shows up at 182lbs on weigh-in day and they don't let him rehydrate more than a few lbs, then you shouldn't bet on Josh Koscheck.

He is a solid play AS LONG as he shows up healthy. You have to be a serious fool to still consider Anthony Johnson a solid play after the weigh-ins debacle. Don't be an idiot and act like that didn't effect his performance. He gassed out too fast because of it. He easily dominated Vitor before he gassed. If you can't see that a healthy Rumble would have been a solid play, then I don't respect anything you have to say regarding MMA.

Johnson had already rehydrated by the weigh in. He only weighed in about 8 more pounds during the fight than he was allowed to weigh that morning. His cardio has always been garbage. There could have easily been arguments playing Johnson after seeing the weigh in.

Must be a lot of idiots out there considering Johnson got a lot more action than Vitor after the weigh ins on every single sportsbook out there.

**gabe** · 01-30-12, 06:56 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Okay, if you can name the 17 I'll bow down...and like I said there is no evidence of the remaining 14-0. Doesnt matter if u say you were 1-0 or 525-0...the fact is that there was no evidence so people are naturally going to be skeptical. Not saying I dont believe u but tht is how most people who look at your thread are gonna think

since i've been here:

1- evan dunham (vs nik lentz)
2- evan dunham (vs shamar bailey)
3- charles oliveira (vs eric wisely)
4- pat barry (vs christian morecraft)
5- charlie brenneman (vs daniel roberts)
6- jon jones (vs lyoto machida)
7- ross pearson (vs junior assuncao)
8- tony ferguson (vs yves edwards)
9- tony ferguson (vs aaron riley)
10- seth b (vs matt brown)
11- seth b (vs clay harvison)
12- ryan bader (vs jason brilz)
13- damarques johnson (vs clay harvison)
14- che mills (vs chris cope)
15- philip de fries (vs rob broughton)
16- tj waldburger (vs mike stumpf)
17- court mcgee (vs dongi yang)

before:

1- jon jones (vs shogun)
2- anderson silva (vs yushin okami)
3- rick story (vs thiago alves)
4- nick ring (vs james head)
5- krystof sozynski (vs mike massenzio)
6- matt mitrione (vs christian morecraft)
7- matt brown (vs john howard)
8- ivan menjivar (vs nick pace)
9- alexander gustaffson (vs matt hammil)
10- brian ebersole (vs dennis hallman)
11- edson barboza (vs ross pearson)
12- jon jones (vs ryan bader)
13- anderson silva (vs vitor belfort)
14- yves yabouin (vs ian loveland)

**gabe** · 01-30-12, 06:58 PM

Originally posted by Kaladarus

Johnson had already rehydrated by the weigh in. He only weighed in about 8 more pounds during the fight than he was allowed to weigh that morning. His cardio has always been garbage. There could have easily been arguments playing Johnson after seeing the weigh in.

Must be a lot of idiots out there considering Johnson got a lot more action than Vitor after the weigh ins on every single sportsbook out there.

No, Johnson did not get more action. He went from being -130 to +120, how is that getting action??

He wasn't able to rehydrate properly and gassed 20 times faster than he normally would. He got gassed beating someone up for 2 mins. When was the last time he got tired dominating someone for 2 mins???

**gabe** · 01-30-12, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Yet u still added more money on Rumble after this debacle which kind of contradicts what you're saying above and is kinda ironic!

What was I gonna do, bet on Vitor? I wasn't having a good night. I needed Rumble to get an early KO and save me, so I added an extra $50. Doesn't represent confidence, it represents a desperate need for a quick KO.

I've already explained this before, don't know why it hasn't gone through your head.

**Kaladarus** · 01-30-12, 07:06 PM

Originally posted by gabe

since i've been here:

1- evan dunham (vs nik lentz)
2- evan dunham (vs shamar bailey)
3- charles oliveira (vs eric wisely)
4- pat barry (vs christian morecraft)
5- charlie brenneman (vs daniel roberts)
6- jon jones (vs lyoto machida)
7- ross pearson (vs junior assuncao)
8- tony ferguson (vs yves edwards)
9- tony ferguson (vs aaron riley)
10- seth b (vs matt brown)
11- seth b (vs clay harvison)
12- ryan bader (vs jason brilz)
13- damarques johnson (vs clay harvison)
14- che mills (vs chris cope)
15- philip de fries (vs rob broughton)
16- tj waldburger (vs mike stumpf)
17- court mcgee (vs dongi yang)

before:

1- jon jones (vs shogun)
2- anderson silva (vs yushin okami)
3- rick story (vs thiago alves)
4- nick ring (vs james head)
5- krystof sozynski (vs mike massenzio)
6- matt mitrione (vs christian morecraft)
7- matt brown (vs john howard)
8- ivan menjivar (vs nick pace)
9- alexander gustaffson (vs matt hammil)
10- brian ebersole (vs dennis hallman)
11- edson barboza (vs ross pearson)
12- jon jones (vs ryan bader)
13- anderson silva (vs vitor belfort)
14- yves yabouin (vs ian loveland)

**Vitooch** · 01-30-12, 07:17 PM

You should make one thread with units included! I've been saying this for a while.

And you really don't see this line moving in favor of Barao? Why lay so much juice this early in the week? Or have you not laid any money on Barao yet?

**PunisherIND** · 01-30-12, 07:19 PM

Originally posted by more_betterness

With you on Kos and agree that Barao should be the favorite, but he has no experience facing anyone that can get close to Jorgensen's level of wrestling. He obviously has a vastly superior striking game, but I'm not laying above -200 on someone with largely unproven TDD who looked far from dominant against fricken Cole Escovedo.

I'm also partial to "acid-wash."

spotty jorgenson

**gabe** · 01-30-12, 07:34 PM

Originally posted by Vitooch

You should make one thread with units included! I've been saying this for a while. And you really don't see this line moving in favor of Barao? Why lay so much juice this early in the week? Or have you not laid any money on Barao yet?

Only bet I've placed for this card so far is on Diaz-- If Condit reaches at least +190, I will probably arb out.

I might make one thread... but in the past couple, I've included a rating out of 5. If a play is 5/5, I have at least either to win or to risk 5 units on it. ($100/unit)

Sometimes I go bigger on my locks. I started off risking to win 5 units on Pearson but ended up risking to win 15. I was risking a lot.

**BIGDAY** · 01-30-12, 07:35 PM

Gabe, the only thing you should be doing with these monster plays is an open ended parlay...

**gabe** · 01-30-12, 07:44 PM

Originally posted by BIGDAY

Gabe, the only thing you should be doing with these monster plays is an open ended parlay...

I feel there are a lot of good plays on this card. I'll be making some big parlays with Diaz in them then put something on Condit in the end, if all goes well.

**BIGDAY** · 01-30-12, 07:57 PM

Originally posted by gabe

I feel there are a lot of good plays on this card. I'll be making some big parlays with Diaz in them then put something on Condit in the end, if all goes well.

Hope you cash er big pal!

I only have one unit on Kos currently.

Waiting for props to drop.

**gabe** · 01-30-12, 08:01 PM

Originally posted by BIGDAY

Hope you cash er big pal! I only have one unit on Kos currently. Waiting for props to drop.

I actually thought Kos would open at AT LEAST -350...

I'm about to stream Sandra Bullock's THE NET on Netflix right now... Don't get jealous, guys.

**Vitooch** · 01-30-12, 08:08 PM

Herman/Kos/Poirier/Brown Parlay!

**gabe** · 01-30-12, 08:12 PM

Kos/Barao/Herman/Poirier/Riddle = $$$$$$$

**Vitooch** · 01-30-12, 08:34 PM

No ******* way Chris Cope beats Matt Brown.

I've never once been impressed with Cope.

Matt Brown may not have the best record against high level competition but he should atleast beat this can.

**BIGDAY** · 01-30-12, 08:41 PM

Originally posted by gabe

I actually thought Kos would open at AT LEAST -350...

I'm about to stream Sandra Bullock's THE NET on Netflix right now... Don't get jealous, guys.

Kos has a very active standup. I just don't like how sometimes he blocks his opponents jabs with his face.

But I also thought there was value at te opener of -220 or so.

**gabe** · 01-30-12, 08:42 PM

Originally posted by Vitooch

No ******* way Chris Cope beats Matt Brown.

I've never once been impressed with Cope.

Matt Brown may not have the best record against high level competition but he should atleast beat this can.

Chris Cope would be a great play as a big underdog. Only way Matt Brown wins is if he takes Cope down and controls him. Cope has great TDD. Shamar Bailey, a talented wrestler, couldn't get 1 takedown on Cope. Cope has really nice combinations. He has good cardio, whereas Brown has terrible cardio. Cope could easily win a decision here. He's being overlooked.

**Vitooch** · 01-30-12, 09:02 PM

Originally posted by gabe

Shamar Bailey, a talented wrestler

A talented collegiate wrestler. MMA wrestler, not so much.

**gabe** · 01-30-12, 09:12 PM

Originally posted by Vitooch

A talented collegiate wrestler. MMA wrestler, not so much.

He took down and controlled all of his other opponents in TUF and Ryan McGillivray in the shows finale, and he did it with ease.

Yet, he could not get a single takedown on Cope. The guy has good defense, you have to give him that. In a three round fight, as a big underdog, against Matt Brown, I have to love the underrated and overlooked Chris Cope. If he doesn't get knocked out or submitted early on (which I don't think he will,) I believe he will take the decision. He'll be quick in the third round, landing lots of strikes, while Brown is gassed out and trying to score takedowns and knockout punches.