They are putting Cruz on free tv so casual fans will know he is. Average fans aren't familiar with the fighters from the two new weight classes. Why do you think Jose Aldo hasn't been able to headline yet? His title fights have now both been co-main events under a bigger named title fight. It's all about getting exposure not disrespecting or being unfair. Faber was the face of the WEC so more people know who he is. Why wouldn't the UFC use that? It's all about business.
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Sorry to have derailed this thread.
I don't disagree it's all business. And I don't disagree it's smart business. My point is Cruz is disrespected as the champ. That's it.
And I think Aldo's case isn't true. The reason they put him on 129 was not because he's a lesser talent who could not hold up a PPV event. They put him on 129 because they wanted 2 titles on the line at the biggest live event they've ever held. A part of it may have been because it was a new division to the UFC, but it was not the sole reason. The UFC has allowed some serious garbage to headline PPVs (119, 131) and Aldo without a doubt could have done similar PPV buys with his own event.Comment -
In his first fight in two years, highly touted prospect Mike Easton will makes his UFC debut against recent newcomer Jeff Hougland.
The fight takes place in October at UFC on Versus 6.
Officials today announced the bantamweight matchup, which is likely to be part of the UFC on Versus 6's preliminary card.Comment -
Looking forward to seeing how Brenneman follows up his win over Pussy Story against Rumble. On one hand, it discredits Pussy Story more if Rumble has no problem with Brenneman. On the other hand, Brenneman deserves good things for beating Pussy Story.Comment -
LOL... did you lose money on Story Kos? You seem a bit angered by him.
Luckily I only took the prop on Story to win via dec for a small play so I didn't get completely raped when Brenneman wrestlefvcked him. I actually like Rumble's chances.Comment -
Something about him, I just hate. He likes to talk tough. And then he hugged the shit out of Alves. Feel bad for Alves. You shouldn't lose because some pussy just wants to hug you.Comment -
Story is big and has good offensive wrestling but his defensive grappling has always been average, just have to watch the Hathaway and Osipczak fights to see tht. If Alves had of just changed levels and looked for and got the takedown when Story was wading in the fight would of been his for the taking.Comment -
A pair of light heavyweights looking to return to the win column collide in October with Fabio Maldonado (18-4 MMA, 1-1 UFC) taking on Aaron Rosa (16-4 MMA, 0-1 UFC).
UFC officials today announced the contest, which takes place at UFC on Versus 6.Comment -
gimme fight for maldonado after the bad decision. Im with you ladleComment -
Yeah, perfect rebound fight for FabioComment -
If Cruz clowns Johnson you can probably add him to the list of Champion who people think are unbeatable in their division Jones, Silva, GSP, Aldo, Cruz. Velasquez had JDS and Overeem as threats, while Edgar could have trouble with a number of fighters imo.Comment -
Shame Maldonado pulled outComment -
Yeah can't wait. I know everyone loves to bet on Cruz a sure thing... but how in the hell are people so confident laying the juice against Mighty Mouse? This guy could pull it off imo. I know Cruz has great TDD, perfect cardio, and bounces around more than a mongoose against a cobra, but is he seriously worth -450? Demetrious is a legit contender.
I expected this line to open up around -250/ +200-ish and I made a small play on MM at +325.Comment -
Cruz by decision at -150 or something will offer a lot better value than Cruz straight up IMO, I'd say if Cruz does win he wins by decision at least 80% of the time.Comment -
Problem is many feel Demetrious lost the Torres fight. And he was outwrestled by Brad Pickett. No doubt, when there is a Flyweight division he will be battling with Benavidez for the title.Comment -
Wiman/Danzig was basically a pick em' fight at UFC 115 with Wiman being slight fav. Curious to see the odds this timeComment -
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Loving Wiman at -175Comment -
My biggest bet of the night will most likely be Wiman straight up and Wiman inside the distance.
I also like Cruz by decision, Cruz/Johnson not going the distance, and Struve winning SOTN (if the odds are steep enough)Comment -
Same here, I was hoping for under -150, but woulda played up to -235 probably, maybe -250. Was on him first time around as well and he impresses me more each time out. I think he has more diverse stand up attack, better wrestling and grappling cancels out. Wiman always shows great chin as well.Comment -
To me the fight is much closer to pick em. I think Danzig is a more technical striker and his takedown defense is above average. In my opinion that is the kind of fighter that handles Wiman. How do you gentlemen see the fight playing out? I think the first fight was too quick to get a good sense but I don't remember it well.Comment -
Danzig is a better counter striker and more technical. His TDD defence isn't great, but I think that's partly because he's always been comfortable on the ground and therefore doesnt put up much resistance to a takedown.
One thing to consider with these lines is that Wiman was only a -110 favourite when their odds came out for their first fight, and he ended up -105 underdog to Danzig -125 line at fight time. Now Wiman has come out as a -165 favourite on bookmaker and is now at -200. Does Wiman's controversial submission win over Danzig, dominant victory over Cole Miller, and debatable loss to Siver warrant such a difference in odds? I personally only see value in Wiman straight up at -150. I'd prefer and probably will play Wiman by decision at +150 or something.Comment -
i know this is basically a "no struve zone"...but given the height differential,struve`s underrated sub game(14 submission wins) and barry`s stamina issues,i`m looking hard at struve...hoping it moves upward...
keep thinking about the last guy that barry fought with nominal submission skills(tim hague)...he got choked out there....and his monumental struggle with "the mexicutioner"(lol...if not for an eye poke,barry has another loss on his resume)....
looking really,really hard at struve as the puppy here...i think he envelops barry as soon as possible and takes him to the mat....he`s got a short opponent with very little in the way of grappling ability to keep him honest(unlike big country)........
barry might be stronger physically...but we`re talking about a whole foot in height differential....and a competitior with virtually no grappling background...
barry`s opponents have been perfect style match-ups .... virtually all stand-up fighters(beltran/mirko/hardonk and kongo).......
i really think struve has a chance to right the ship here if he uses his brain...Comment -
ha "No Struve zone"! But yeah if I had to make a play at current odds I'd probably have to play Struve at +175 even though I think he has some serious deficiencies! Clearly the better BJJ, but does he have the ability to get it to the ground? You'd think with his height advantage he's be able to work some sort of trip. But we dont really know about his takedown ability because every time it's gone to the ground it has been as a result of him getting knocked down from a punch or from being taken down by his opponent (as far as Im aware?). With Barry it's extremely unlikely that he'll look for a takedown, and I'd imagine if he knocks Struve down he'll be hesitant to go in to his guard, unless he is almost unconscious. Struve has said in an interview that he intends to be a lot more technical and less unpredictable/wild in this fight, that he wants to utilize his reach and pick apart Barry on the outside. This is refreshing to hear from Struve, but I highly doubt he's going to be able to bounce around like Frankie Edgar or Cruz picking Barry apart. I think sooner or later he wont be able to resist engaging with Barry, flying a ridiculously telegraphed flying knee or something! Just doesnt seem in Struve's nature to be defensive and elusive. I actually like this fight to go the distance if I can get it close to +200 range. I think it's either going to be a war that ends in first round or they are both going to be tentative and go the distance because of there awareness of each other's strengths and mutual appreciation for each other - they've been joking back and forth about the fight as if they are best buddies. We all know how nonclinical Barry can be at the best of timesComment -
I think Pat Barry's striking will be too much for Struve. Even though he lost to Kongo, we saw his striking prowess in nearly finishing Kongo. Also I think that his takedown defense is very underrated, he stuffed Beltran's clinch takedowns. A lot of you are citing the massive height difference, which is not an advantage if you want to take someone down. You practically can't shoot doubles or singles on the shorter guy and expect to take him down. Like Vaughny said, trips would be a better option but I dont think Struve has it in his arsenal. But Barry has a tendency of being too wild and might follow Struve after knocking him down with Struve submitting him being a likely scenario. I'll wait if Barry's line gets better, but I see value up to -200.Comment -
yeah...barry does have a tendency to develop *ahem* man-crushes on certain opponents....
i agree that aside from his chin,struve`s biggest deficiency is his strategy and tendency to fight the other guy`s fight....
i think that after fighting 6`7"/6`7" and 6`6' opponents in succession that this may be a welcome respite from fighting guys that are much,much bigger "physically" than he is.....and if there are clinches,barry could be in danger of walking into a standing guillotine....
if he fights smart....even if he doesn`t try and take this to the ground....i can see a usually tentative barry having real difficulty finding range...and taking damage....
but,struve has shown the fight i.q. of an eggplant....betting on him is getting higher on my list of "least favorite things"(a loss here,in what i consider a very winnable fight,would place betting on him right behind smashing my own balls with a really big hammer)....
c`mon stefan...use your natural advantages...Comment -
The hell with the fight, lets turn this into a buddy cop movie
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I'm going against most of you and playing Struve at +170 and Brenneman at +155. Just need one of these guys to win to come out on top.
Obviously, I'm a Barry fan and I also think AJ has a clear path to beat Brenneman with his wrestling background and superior standup. My bets here are purely on value and inconsistency of their opponents. Struve has much better submissions than Tim Hague and while he may get dropped once or twice... I still think Barry is in trouble on the ground against a guy of his size. Really love a play on Struve SOTN!
I know Rumble has looked good lately, but Brenneman has only lost to Hendricks in the UFC who we know is legit. If he can avoid the power/TKO, I think he can get a takedown or two and stay busy enough to win on the cards. Cutting is always in question with AJ and it usually catches up w/ him in the 3rd.Comment -
Does anyone know if 5Dimes will be adding FOTN, SOTN or KOTN bets to this event? I've never bet props on a fight night card.
I really like Struve for SOTN.
I'm also considering a Josh Neer winning by submission bet if it is available.
Paul Sass could def pull off a submission against Michael Johnson considering his recent success and the matchup. I may look into that also if the bet is available and at the right price.
Also, Cruz/Johnson FOTN, Anthony Johnson KOTN, and Wiman inside the distanceComment
