What dogs do you like right now?

**rossta4i** · 11-04-10, 03:55 AM

I like hughes + anything. I think BJ is back to is partying ways. Have a friend that saw BJ in a bar in september looking fat.

**Poppa Catfish** · 11-04-10, 05:10 AM

Okami and half on Okami by decision if that is an option. I think Yushin has all the tools to take the fight to Nate, and when that happens to The Great he tends to shrink under the pressure. I think they got the lines switched for that one.

I think Frankie Edgar is facing a stylistically poor match up, one that he most likely will lose 8/10. He doesn't have KO power to stop Gray, and eventually Maynard will take him down and lay on him accumulating points in the process.

Matt Hughes has looked terrible in his past two victories. BJ Penn hasn't looked any better. I would pass on this Golden Oldies fight, I don't have a good sense where either fighter is as far as form goes.

If you can stop Munoz from taking you down you have an excellent shot of victory, The philipino wrecking machine pretty much has disgusting ground and pound plus wild hooks on the feet. Simpson has the ability and the wrestling pedigree to stop those shots, and will be less wild on the feet. He has an excellent shot to take this by decision, but Munoz is a tough guy to finish and he could always catch Aaron with one of those haymakers.

**Poppa Catfish** · 11-04-10, 05:35 AM

I will take a further look at Tim Boetsch +450, I'm just not sold on "Mr Wonderful", at least not yet he seems much too green.

Might be just like the David Heath fight, where Tim is brought in as the sacrificial lamb, but emerges the victor

**Vrakas** · 11-04-10, 06:40 AM

i cant see okami winning his fight with nate.

**sundin4prez** · 11-04-10, 08:21 AM

absolutely love the okami and hughes play........

**stefan084** · 11-04-10, 08:49 AM

golden oldies? bj is 31

**jacktheknife** · 11-04-10, 09:02 AM

I actually think that Gray is an excellent play right now. The Okami fight is closer then the odds let on but other then that, it looks like you might be chasing losses with overly optimistic dogs.

**snake11eyes** · 11-04-10, 09:12 AM

Schall +480. How can Buentello be this much of a favorite against anyone. Hicks +180 very tough from his wec days should give a solid effort. Grispi + whatever the line will be. I dont think it will be that lopsided maybe Aldo -300. Aldo is in another league, but grispi is one of the few featherweights that can give him trouble. Hughes and Edgar.

**ufcmma36** · 11-04-10, 10:30 AM

I know its a bit early but i think Rampage takes it! One or two big shots and lights out!!!

**Pabinator** · 11-04-10, 11:01 AM

I like Frankie.

I wouldnt take Matt Hughes, he is done himself

**sirchadwick1** · 11-04-10, 11:21 AM

Originally posted by ufcmma36

I know its a bit early but i think Rampage takes it! One or two big shots and lights out!!!

Page is too slow and unmotivated to take out Machida. Punchers chance is all he's got... so unless his line is around +500 I'm not touching it. Machida will dance around him and win the UD.

**Vaughany** · 11-04-10, 11:24 AM

Simpson by decision, Okami by decision possibly

**terpkeg** · 11-04-10, 12:19 PM

Kendall Grove +325 is too much imo. Im on for .5u.

**Raynor21** · 11-04-10, 12:31 PM

Rampage, Hughes and the dude fighting Jardine (completely blanked on his name at the moment)

**JuicedUp** · 11-04-10, 01:44 PM

Originally posted by bogbat

The following interests me: Yushin Okami +180 Matt Hughes +145 Aaron Simpson +150 Frank Edgar +128

I like them all.

**Vaughany** · 11-04-10, 01:46 PM

Although the odds arnt out I'll be jumping on Stann as dog against Leben for sure.

**playa420** · 11-04-10, 05:27 PM

I like rampage at +215, and i ******* love Dos Santos getting +185!!

**Kaladarus** · 11-04-10, 05:49 PM

I like all your plays except Okami.

**jacktheknife** · 11-04-10, 10:51 PM

I'm telling you, that Edgar line isn't just iffy, it's terrible.

**GoldRush7** · 11-04-10, 11:01 PM

Frankie Edgar, page, and hughes.

**RollPlayer** · 11-04-10, 11:34 PM

Okami by decision will be a pretty big play for me and Pokrajac (+211) over Bonnar will be a nice sized play as well.

**lasker** · 11-05-10, 01:19 AM

I like Pokrajac as well.

**bogbat** · 11-05-10, 02:20 AM

Okami by decision does seem like a better play. Do you guys make all your prop bets at 5dimes? I had a bad experience with customer service there but I may have to deposit there again.

**Vaughany** · 11-05-10, 05:53 AM

Im surprised people are counting out Edgar again! If it was 3 rounds I'd be more inclined to think that Maynard would get a comfortable decision win through controlling Edgar with his wrestling, but with 5 rounds Im not so sure. I believe Edgar's strength and speed have improved since their last fight, and more importantly his footwork and overall boxing has improved significantly which will cause problems for Maynard who is not exactly fleet of foot. In a straight up wrestling match-up Maynard would most probably dominate Edgar through overpowering him but in the octagon it's different as Edgar will be able use his footwork to circle and avoid a lot of Maynard's shots. I bang on about this a lot but footwork and constant movement is something that a lot of fighters lack in the UFC (especially in comparison to Edgar) and I believe the whole wrestling dominance would be less of an issue if more fighters werent static. The Andre Winner vs Lentz fight was a prime example of this, I dont think Winner's take down defence in terms of sprawling or using the cage was an issue, it was more to do with his lack of movement and poor strategy that was the issue as he was jus looking for the big counter shot everytime Lentz got close to him. If u swapped Edgar with Winner in that situation I think the scenario would of been completely different. I will be jus betting on Edgar/Maynard going to decision.

**The HOFF** · 11-05-10, 06:19 AM

I really like Aaron Simpson. Munoz is over-hyped and has not done anything to deserve it. Agree with Vaughany on Edgar.

**Vaughany** · 11-05-10, 06:45 AM

Originally posted by The HOFF

I really like Aaron Simpson. Munoz is over-hyped and has not done anything to deserve it. Agree with Vaughany on Edgar.

Yep, as long as he doesnt gas I like Simpson to get a decision win just through sheer volume of punches thrown. Simpson gassed against Leben because he got over zealous and clearly the takedowns and takedown attempts were the main reason, however he mostly likely wont be having that gameplan against Munoz, I think he'll like his chances keeping the fight standing and jus use superior footwork and movement and combinations to beat Munoz which wont be as tiring as attempting takedowns relentlessly like he did against Leben. I defintely dont see Simpson finishing Munoz tho as he doesnt exactly have knockout power and Munoz showed against grove how resilient he is. I think I'll be taking Simpson by decision at +350 and possibly straddle it with Munoz by KO.

**rocky mattioli** · 11-05-10, 07:34 AM

tough call...i see this as a tough style match-up for simpson...his wrestling won`t be a factor...and as we saw vs leben,without that advantage,it will be difficult...a few takedowns basically won him the lawlor fight...he`ll have trouble with the takedowns here...

simpson`s cardio certainly looked woeful vs leben ......if you`re betting simpson,that 3rd round(if it gets there) could be will be hell on wheels......

you can expect munoz to push the pace like leben did..honestly,i can see munoz either knocking him out or outlasting him...out-toughing him...he`s more battle tested vs overall better opposition...a more highly decorated wrester.....younger....and looks like the naturally bigger guy...

of course,i`m the guy that had bonnar over marc coleman...

i can be swayed...a sloppy munoz doesn`t engender tons of confidence as the fave...

**RaiderNation MMA** · 11-05-10, 08:08 AM

okami is a decent play, his style is very hard to fight, he makes u fight his game so to speak.

i dont like frankie, i dont buy him, plus gray said frankie was the easiest fight of his career. i think frankie just had a tailor made style for BJ. but dont buy him as a dominant champ just yet.

stann over leben is a decent play, leben is a zombie when it comes to fighting, just walks forward and gets into brawls, stann will challenge him.

stay clear of the bj hughes fight. bj isnt terrible just cuz he lost to frankie, but hughes has shown he can tangle with world class BJJ. so its a toss up.

machida is a terrible fight for rampage. he is not fast enough to catch machidas fencing karate style.

maia will wreck groove.

BUT

my one underdog i love love love love is sean mcorkle taking on struve.

put the farm, hell 2 farms on mcorkle. struve is overated, he has beat no one, his only game is submissons, and thats seans strength. i called christian mortenson against struve and should have won, but struve made a nice comeback after getting trashed. trust me, mcorkle will dominate struve.

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**Vaughany** · 11-05-10, 08:19 AM

Originally posted by RaiderNation MMA

okami is a decent play, his style is very hard to fight, he makes u fight his game so to speak.

i dont like frankie, i dont buy him, plus gray said frankie was the easiest fight of his career. i think frankie just had a tailor made style for BJ. but dont buy him as a dominant champ just yet.

stann over leben is a decent play, leben is a zombie when it comes to fighting, just walks forward and gets into brawls, stann will challenge him.

stay clear of the bj hughes fight. bj isnt terrible just cuz he lost to frankie, but hughes has shown he can tangle with world class BJJ. so its a toss up.

machida is a terrible fight for rampage. he is not fast enough to catch machidas fencing karate style.

maia will wreck groove.

BUT

my one underdog i love love love love is sean mcorkle taking on struve.

put the farm, hell 2 farms on mcorkle. struve is overated, he has beat no one, his only game is submissons, and thats seans strength. i called christian mortenson against struve and should have won, but struve made a nice comeback after getting trashed. trust me, mcorkle will dominate struve.

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Welcome to the forum Raider, good morrow to you!

I agree on McCorkle and will be taking him as long as he's a decent value dog. I also had a unit on World of Morecraft and he had plenty of chances to finish that fight but as u say Struve is tough as hell and great at comebacks. However, these amazing comebacks cant last forever and I don't think he's ever faced a guy who's as big and as good on the ground as McCorkle (except Nelson but Big Country knocked him out before they had a chance to go to the ground!).

**RaiderNation MMA** · 11-05-10, 08:39 AM

thanks!

yup i did loads of research on world of moorecraft, and i coulda swore he knocked struves lip half off, but hats off to struve for the 2nd round rally. everyone on my mma forum is loving struve, but i think mcorkle wins this hands down, sean figured out a way to get past the legandary striking game of mark hunt, so taking struve down and tapping him will be no problem as long as struve doesnt triangle him on the way down

**Conan** · 11-05-10, 10:09 AM

Im definately on with Rampage Huges and Boetsch.

**jacktheknife** · 11-05-10, 12:01 PM

Alright, I watched the Edgar-Maynard fight again just now and if there's one thing on the part of Gray that impressed upon me in the whole match it was this:

Body shots

body shots body shots body shots body shots body shots body shots oh, man the body shots.

That kid's head was in three places at once and Grey did not go chasing after it. He did everything BJ didn't. He faked, he shelled up to get inside, and when Frankie's head wasn't there he knew to go to the body 2 seconds ago.

The other thing was how exhausted Frankie was. This dude grinded him and all the talk of Edgar being marathon sprinter was all talked out.

I really don't know where it's supposed to go from there for Frankie. I mean, his hit-and-run and his persistence are pretty much his game. He's got no KO power and everything I mentioned about Grey's striking is merely a set-up for is madly superior wrestling. I'm telling you all who've got a glint your eye over an extra 2 bits for a win just because he's a champion that you're chasing a house bet.

This is bad fight for Frankie Edgar.

Don't do it.

**Vaughany** · 11-05-10, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by jacktheknife

Alright, I watched the Edgar-Maynard fight again just now and if there's one thing on the part of Gray that impressed upon me in the whole match it was this:

Body shots

body shots body shots body shots body shots body shots body shots oh, man the body shots.

That kid's head was in three places at once and Grey did not go chasing after it. He did everything BJ didn't. He faked, he shelled up to get inside, and when Frankie's head wasn't there he knew to go to the body 2 seconds ago.

The other thing was how exhausted Frankie was. This dude grinded him and all the talk of Edgar being marathon sprinter was all talked out.

I really don't know where it's supposed to go from there for Frankie. I mean, his hit-and-run and his persistence are pretty much his game. He's got no KO power and everything I mentioned about Grey's striking is merely a set-up for is madly superior wrestling. I'm telling you all who've got a glint your eye over an extra 2 bits for a win just because he's a champion that you're chasing a house bet.

This is bad fight for Frankie Edgar.

Don't do it.

I agree that this is still the worst fight stylistically for Edgar but still dont think that Maynard will completely dominate. I watched the fight again and the one thing that was clear was that Maynard was able to take down Edgar whenever he wanted due to his size advantage and superior wrestling. However, I dont recall seeing many body shots or at least any body shots that seemed to cause any damage?

Also worth noting that Frankie wasnt doing his strength and conditioning with Martin Rooney at the time who is IMO top 3 strength and conditioning trainers in the business. His boxing has clearly improved since that fight as well, his use of angles and decision making is a lot better. Unfortunately Maynard has also clearly evolved and will no doubt have a great Xtreme Couture inspired game plan going in to this fight. If I cant get decent value for the fight to go to decision than I will take a smaller play on Maynard by decision.

**syn^** · 11-05-10, 01:10 PM

Too much praise for maynards supposedly superior wrestling. What makes people think frankie won't take gray down like he took bj down? on top of the fact its very evident in frankies fights that he has a great ground game to go with his wrestling. Maynard is one dimensional all around imo and frankie is vastly improved since there last fight. People put to much emphasis on strength and size in mma (think lesnar cain). The better FIGHTER will win.