They scored it a draw on the 10-pt must system, which sounds about right due to the fact that the first round was so close. I don't mind the 10-pt must system if the judges used 10-10 and 10-8 rounds as they are supposed to. I like a half point system even better. 10-9.5 for very close rounds, 10-9 for clear rounds, 10-8.5 for close to dominance, 10-8 for dominance. I don't see it changing for a while though.
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yes, I agree. I have no problem with those proposed changes, either. I just don't like the system as it stands, because it makes it defensible to say one fighter won when he possibly squeaked out two rounds and was completely dominated in the remaining round. Why, then, should the two rounds when very little happened count as much as the round where the action was lopsided in one fighter's favor? It's just not fair.
I agree with you, it's not going to change for a while, if ever.
I'm more upset about "clockgate" -- I hadn't noticed that there were still six seconds left in round 1 of Falcao-Harris when he had the RNC locked in and was forced to release it prematurely. That fight would have been over. Instead, Falcao could have gone on to lose the fight. As it is, he was made to look much worse because of what transpired in round 3. A lot of people, including myself, had money on Falcao in round 1 and the fight not going the distance.
Why did the clock on the screen disappear for the bell to ring six seconds early? I'm usually not a conspiracy theorist, but with the Fertitta brothers' mafia connections and the shady reputation of the Nevada State Athletic commission (which the Fertittas have ties to), I do believe there are a lot of mysterious things happening with judging and refereeing in the UFC.
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yes, I agree. I have no problem with those proposed changes, either. I just don't like the system as it stands, because it makes it defensible to say one fighter won when he possibly squeaked out two rounds and was completely dominated in the remaining round. Why, then, should the two rounds when very little happened count as much as the round where the action was lopsided in one fighter's favor? It's just not fair.
I agree with you, it's not going to change for a while, if ever.
I'm more upset about "clockgate" -- I hadn't noticed that there were still six seconds left in round 1 of Falcao-Harris when he had the RNC locked in and was forced to release it prematurely. That fight would have been over. Instead, Falcao could have gone on to lose the fight. As it is, he was made to look much worse because of what transpired in round 3. A lot of people, including myself, had money on Falcao in round 1 and the fight not going the distance.
Why did the clock on the screen disappear for the bell to ring six seconds early? I'm usually not a conspiracy theorist, but with the Fertitta brothers' mafia connections and the shady reputation of the Nevada State Athletic commission (which the Fertittas have ties to), I do believe there are a lot of mysterious things happening with judging and refereeing in the UFC.
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I wouldnt read too much into the clock dissappearing. The clock almost always dissappears within the last 10 seconds of the round. Thats standard in the UFC. I think the question of the early horn has more to do with the horn guy and the michigan athletic commission and nothing to do with the UFC....the UFC isnt the japanese mafia in Pride. They arent rigging fights. But the horn official and the michigan athletic commission need to be investigated to determine why this occurred.Comment -
I know, but to be honest it has made me wonder why the clock always disappears within the last ten seconds, and also whether it disappears at the same second each time or not. Does it always disappear at the 8th second? I'll have to go back and check. If not, it doesn't seem to be an automated disappearance. If it disappears at different times, and someone controls when, it seems like a very good way to conceal an early ring of the bell (from most) in the midst of the excitement of a near-finish. Whatever happened here, I don't think it was an innocent mistake.
To me a big question is whether there is a real connection between the UFC (specifically the Fertittas) and the state athletic commissions. If there really isn't, the corruption is coming solely from the athletic commissions. Either way, shady stuff is going on and I think it happens sometimes with the judging too -- though not necessarily with the Rampage decision, which I admit is not a robbery given the UFC's system of judging.Comment -
In the end, I just have to accept that there will be corruption in any sport, some more than others, and MMA is no different. Tennis has fixed matches all the time, especially at the Challengers level, and all the sharp bettors just accept it and do their best to identify those matches ahead of time (either to avoid them altogether or to predict the fix). I have no doubts that there is a fair amount of shady business when it comes to UFC fights, but nothing is going to change. It should just make me a more conservative bettor. Like Vaughany, I may start betting more on fights going to decision rather than a particular fighter winning the decision. There have been dubious and even absurd decisions at practically every UFC event for quite some time now. Tyson Griffin should have won 30-27; says he doesn't know what he needs to do to win a fight anymore.Comment -
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Michigan Athletic Commission to investigate the UFC 123: Falcao vs. Harris timekeeping issue according to MMA Weekly:
"Stephen Gobbo, Director of Legal Affairs for the Michigan Bureau of Commercial Services, the agency that oversees the state’s mixed martial arts regulation, said he was aware of the situation and confirmed that the incident was under review. He did not have a timeline for the investigation, nor could he comment as to what, if any, ramifications there might be."
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"While the biggest stories coming from this past weekend's "UFC 123: Rampage vs. Machida" event initially appeared to be a razor-thin decision in the main event and a stunning 21-second victory by B.J. Penn, the center of attention since has shifted dramatically.
Seemingly unnoticed during the main-card matchup between Maiquel Falcao (26-3 MMA, 1-0 UFC) and Gerald Harris (17-3 MMA, 3-1 UFC), the night's official timekeeper may have put a halt to the bout's first round nearly seven seconds early.
With Harris narrowly surviving that first frame while trapped in a deep rear-naked choke, MMA fans and pundits alike since have cried foul. Today, UFC officials said they're on the case, but the culprit is likely simple human error.
"I'm currently talking with the Michigan Unarmed Combat Commission," UFC vice president of regulatory affairs Marc Ratner told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "They were in charge of the regulation for the event."
While the UFC acts a the regulatory body for shows that take place overseas, the Michigan Unarmed Combat Commission was in charge of overseeing UFC 123, which took place Nov. 20 at The Palace of Auburn Hills in suburban Detroit.
There was little doubt that the choke that Falcao locked in place in the closing seconds of the frame had the potential to be a fight-ending submission. Inexplicably, the horn to end the round appeared to sound nearly seven seconds earlier than scheduled, or approximately four minutes and 53 seconds after referee Dan Miragliotta first gave the command to fight.
Conspiracy theorists have since noted the on-screen time clock was removed moments prior to the round-ending signal.
Of course, the UFC's pay-per-view production team traditionally removes the clock with approximately eight seconds left in order to minimize the focus on any minor discrepancy between the broadcast clock and the fight's official clock, which is kept by the commission-appointed timekeeper and is not tied to the timer shown on screen.
Ratner insists the UFC had nothing to do with the ill-timed signal. As a former Nevada State Athletic Commission executive director, Ratner also said he's seen similar errors on a few rare occasions.
"There's no conspiracy," Ratner said. "In my days as the director of the Nevada commission, there were rare instances of timekeeper errors."
MMAjunkie.com contacted the Michigan Unarmed Combat Commission for comment, but a representative for the agency said the commission is currently meeting with its media relation department and is not yet ready to discuss the issue with the public.
UFC president Dana White, who like much of the media was not aware of the timing error until after the fight, said the error indeed was unfortunate.
"It's crazy that the round ended early while Gerald was in that nasty choke," White told MMAjunkie.com. "And Gerald Harris at the end of that first round was out if the timekeeper [expletive] it up by seven seconds. Another half of a second and that dude was asleep.
"But am I shocked that someone screwed up? No. Every event, there's something. The only thing you can do is just bum out and say, 'It happened again.' It's unbelievable."
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glad they're doing an investigation, though I doubt anything will come from it. Meanwhile Harris has been released, despite a 3-1 record in the UFC and two knockout of the night performances. Hard pill to swallow... Had he tapped, he would have still had a job. UFC's latest harsh warning to all fighters not to do what Harris did in round 3 or they'll be cut, even with a good record of wins and exciting performances.Comment -
Canning Harris doesn't make any sense. Must be something more to the story.Comment -
UFC getting the cuts on
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The Immortal gets another chance tho which I personally am happy about! Although Harris didnt deserve to be chopped based on the fact that he had 3 TKO/KO finishes, u will never see Brown stroll through a round like the Hurricane did! I cant think of any welterweight tho who Brown could comfortably beat? The likes of Pete Sells no longer exist in the strongest divisions such as welterweight. Perhaps Matt Serra would be a good matchup which hed have a small chance in, or Kendall Grove after he most probly loses to Maia in a loser gets cut match!Comment -
Maybe the UFC's timer was the off... Doesn't mean there is something shady going on. We have no clue what the official time was.Comment -
they have an official timekeeper whose job is only to keep time. it doesn't seem like such a difficult a job that he should be off by nearly 7 full seconds. it's also very strange to me that this happens the one time a fight is about to be finished. perhaps it's just a coincidence, it's definitely possible that it was nothing more than human error. personally, i do believe something shady was going on (not saying the UFC was behind it though).Comment -
i`m probably in the minority,but i have to say i`m not at all happy about dana trying to turn MIXED martial arts competitions into toughman....and we all know how relevant toughman has become...
i remember the thrill of the ufc was watching boxers compete against wrestlers...judo guys against ju jitsu....muay thai vs something else...
now guys are proficient in several different facets of combat fighting...i watch this stuff to see different fighting styles competing against one another........what white is doing is basically saying, " go out there and fight the style "I" want want you to fight...even if it`s to your own detriment"...
he`s drunk with power...
i`m praying that strikeforce gets stronger...i think white is turning into a caricature ...a carnival barker...
i didn`t like seeing the guy trying to coerce that aussie kid on the last tuf show into fighting and permanenntly damaging his knee...and i like this even less....
it hasn`t been all that long since the ufc was a neophyte organization fighting to get sanctioned...many thought it was too violent...
i like it better nuanced...i like seeing different styles even if every fight isn`t the amphitheater in rome...
as fans,i like to think we`re a little more sophisticated than the asshole that`s currently running the show...
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Garcia beats Phan by split decision, 29-28, 27-30, 29-28...
Anybody with eyesight and half a brain cell knows that Phan won that fight.
Just lost a lot on this one as well. I may be done with betting on MMA. I think the judges are corrupt. Whether rigged or whether the judges are simply morons, it's really killing it for me.
As soon as I heard judge 1 scores it 29-28 Garcia, judge 2 scores it 30-27 Phan, I knew the third score was going to be 29-28 Garcia. It just always seems to work like that.Comment -
you guys thinking this is dana are so far from correct. This is the guy that didn't give a KO of the night bonus to Mir for sucking on a card without another ko...he just opted not to. Judges get appointed by state commissions, dont you think Dana would have gotten rid of Cecil Peoples if he really had the authority to.Comment -
Who's saying this is Dana? Not me. The judges aren't bribed by Dana, if anything it's people in bed with the bookies, and if anyone within the UFC is corrupt they're the Fertittas, who own plenty of casinos, not Dana.Comment -
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GSP points handicap (-8½) -185: 3u to win 1.62uComment -
GSP wins by submission +310: .5u to win 1.55uComment -
Struve wins inside distance -110: 2.2u to win 2uComment -
Oliveira/Miller goes 3 round distance -155: 2u to win 1.29u
C.Oliveira wins in round 3 +1175: 0.5u to win 5.88uComment -
Danzig/Stevenson goes 3 round distance -150: 2u to win 1.33uComment -
Makdessi +120: 2u to win 2.4uComment -
that might do it. hopefully this one won't be another disaster
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+1.02u for the night, minuscule profit but I'll take it and try to get back on track next year.
A lot of sharp bettors here were backing Miller, and sure enough he quelled some of the Oliveira hype. Oliveira will bounce back from this defeat, I'm sure. I was very impressed with Miller's composure and technique once it hit the mat. I hope Miller gets his wish to fight Sotiropoulos, that would be a sick fight.Comment -
nice job lasker
personally I think Bocek is more deserving of the Sotiropoulos/Siver winner , Miller probably gets its though....good fight either way.Comment -
That should be the next fight for sure. They're both on 6+ wins in a row in the UFC. I don't like the Siver fight originally planned for Sotiropoulos. If the UFC wants to make a #1 contender fight they should look into this match up because as of right now it doesn't look like anyones in line after the WEC merge fight.Comment
