YES! Zuffa is dying!!!!

**sideloaded** · 09-07-13, 01:08 AM

Now see if that bald headed Faggo EVER talks shit about Sara McMann again. Corporations will fall with one troll thread at a time!!

**The iron sheik** · 09-07-13, 02:15 AM

TUF has always been pretty dumb and should have been aborted by the time that season with kimbo was aired. It's a miracle it's still alive. Only reason for me to see that show is to get to know fighters and bet on TUF finales.

**Vaughany** · 09-07-13, 03:00 AM

The ratings are in from Wednesday night’s UFC-a-thon; a night that showcased a UFC Fight Night event from Belo, Brazil, along with the premiere of the highly anticipated TUF: Tate vs. Rousey series.
According to the UG’s ‘MMALogic,’ the UFC Fight Night prelims pulled 270k viewers, 539k viewers for the main card, and TUF:18 grabbed 762k viewers.
In comparison, Bellator’s most recent card (Bellator 97) pulled 676k, and also aired on a Wednesday night.
UFC president Dana White responded to the reported numbers in a thread on the UG:

Disastrous? MMALogic is pretty good but he’s way off on this one. We were #1 on all of cable with M18-34 and M18-49. We also beat out the US Open and the Detroit vs. Red Sox MLB game. This is all part of the building process. We’ve made a commitment to work with FOX to build this network. If you look at all the other networks we’ve ever been on, we consistently pull strong ratings.
The first time we put our prelims on FX, we pulled 880K viewers and it grew, depending on the fight, up to 1.9 million viewers for UFC 156. Also, the TUF season with Carwin and Big Country averged 822K viewers, then Jones vs. Sonnen averaged 1.3 million viewers.
We currently hold the top 4 most watched telecasts on FS1 since the network launched. To be honest, our Prelim and Fight Night numbers weren’t bad considering we started on the west coast at 2pm in the afternoon on a Wednesday. The most important thing is last nights fights were awesome and this season of TUF is great.
Yes, we didn’t pull 1 million+ but we will. But, we also ****ed up last night by not starting the main event later so that we could get a live lead into TUF. The bottom line is FOX couldn’t be happier with the UFC and the ratings we’re pulling and we couldn’t be happier with the way we have been treated by the network.
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**Luca Fury** · 09-07-13, 03:08 AM

Those numbers are actually very good.

FS1 is brand new and literally every other show on the network is getting ATROCIOUS ratings. Golden Boy boxing got 30k, LOL! That's not a typo, it really did get only 30k. Meanwhile their Sportcenter ripoff gets like 100k.

You can't compare these numbers for TUF and UFN to what their did on FX or especially Spike. And as for UFN 28 drawling less viewing than UFN which was also on FS1, that makes perfect sense as well. UFN 27 was hyped and marketed like hell along with the launch of FS1, as the network's big attraction for that day. However, UFN 28 was a MUCH worse card and it received like 5% as much marketing, plus it was the 3rd event in a 7 day span.

TUF's rating have dropped just about every season because no one gives a shit, so a ratings decline would be expected even if it was still on FX. However, the numbers it managed to pull on FS1 are actually impressive when, again, you consider the circumstances.

So the numbers the UFC still managed to pull despite the circumstances are actually very good.

**imadegen** · 09-07-13, 04:16 AM

I'm a pretty big ufc fan and i wasn't even really aware that the bader texeria fight was on that day.

**Mercersux** · 09-07-13, 08:58 AM

I think the ufc would be smart to make it once a year. Two times a year was fine when the show was still a fresh idea, i just don't think any sort of tweaking can help at this point. Maybe even a small hiatus for a year or two wouldn't be so bad. I think the numbers they're pulling are acceptable for fsn. Nothing else on the channel so far is even close to comparable.

**hougigo** · 09-07-13, 01:36 PM

Was boxing ratings that bad? I heard it was pretty good... at least better than 30k.

**raag** · 09-07-13, 08:09 PM

Luca is right. FS1 is a totally new channel that heaps of people are not aware of and this is a strong start. Zuffa also has a few big-buy PPV cards coming up... Jones at 165 will likely sell okay; trilogy HW title fight at 166 is good money as people like heavyweights; GSP fighting in November which is always great sales; then Weidman Silva II with Tate/Rousey which will do huge PPV buys.

**Imsmarterthanu** · 09-07-13, 10:22 PM

this whole women in mma thing will completely backfire they should have never allowed women to fight in the UFC you don't see women playing basketball in the NBA that's why they have the WNBA same for the UFC they should have introduced the WUFC anyways it's bout time it's gonna die out it's oversaturated with non sense

MD · 09-07-13, 10:24 PM

Originally posted by Imsmarterthanu

this whole women in mma thing will completely backfire they should have never allowed women to fight in the UFC you don't see women playing basketball in the NBA that's why they have the WNBA same for the UFC they should have introduced the WUFC anyways it's bout time it's gonna die out it's oversaturated with non sense

It's called "Women's Bantamweight".

**Imsmarterthanu** · 09-08-13, 12:04 AM

Originally posted by MD

It's called "Women's Bantamweight".

no shit sherlock you missed the point entirely it's still the UFC where the UFC was started by MEN same with the NBA started by MEN then as time went on they decided to add the WNBA they didn't incorporate women's basketball into the NBA they made a completely new league.

All this does is just hurt the core fan base by trying to reach new audiences you're ignoring those who got you there in the first place. This women's shit is just fuking weak.

**Luca Fury** · 09-08-13, 02:12 AM

Originally posted by Imsmarterthanu

no shit sherlock you missed the point entirely it's still the UFC where the UFC was started by MEN same with the NBA started by MEN then as time went on they decided to add the WNBA they didn't incorporate women's basketball into the NBA they made a completely new league.

All this does is just hurt the core fan base by trying to reach new audiences you're ignoring those who got you there in the first place. This women's shit is just fuking weak.

How would the NBA have women in it's league? They can't play vs the men, so what would be the point?

Basketball has 1 game in 1 arena on 1 day. So there would be no point in putting female and male players together in the same league. They would have to treat it like 2 separate leagues, which is what they do. And for clarification, they call them the NBA and WNBA.

That's different that the UFC which puts on events with multiple fights on the card. Therefor, it makes sense to have women and men in the same league, on the same shows. Why would they make all women's cards and all mens'a cards? That'd be dumb. That's like saying that each weight class should be a separate league and they should only do all welterweight events, all lightweight events, etc.

Tennis does the same thing as the UFC since it's a similar format. They have the men and women play at the same events on the same day, separated by the men's and women's sides -- just like the men's bantamweight division and the women's bantamweight division.

**Vaughany** · 09-08-13, 02:13 AM

Problem is tht they are putting all of their eggs in one basket with Rousey. Fact is though tht she has a massive chip on her shoulder and isnt tht likable. Plus i could see her and dana falling out of money and career ambitions sooon

**Luca Fury** · 09-08-13, 02:23 AM

Originally posted by Vaughany

Problem is tht they are putting all of their eggs in one basket with Rousey. Fact is though tht she has a massive chip on her shoulder and isnt tht likable. Plus i could see her and dana falling out of money and career ambitions sooon

She is becoming more and more hated the more her personality is seen. Problem is there are a bunch of people with dirt low standards who think he is a 10/10 and will tune into anything she does.

I watch fights for the skills displayed and she is lacking in that department as well. She's a completely one dimensional grappler beating up a very unskilled pool of women. Female versions of male sports are always far less skilled and far less enjoyable to watch, which is why their ratings are so much worse. It will always be like this, since men are genetically superior athletes. It's the way we're designed.

So I'm not much of a fan of WMMA. FARRRR less skilled fighters than the men's side. Give a male fighter the exact skills and traits that Ronda has, and they wouldn't even cut it in Bellator -- seriously. She's lucky the women she's fought have no clue no how to stuff a takedown or keep distance to save their lives. If she ever fights Cyborg, she will get crushed and I will be all over Cris as a dog.

**sideloaded** · 09-08-13, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by Luca Fury

She is becoming more and more hated the more her personality is seen. Problem is there are a bunch of people with dirt low standards who think he is a 10/10 and will tune into anything she does.

I watch fights for the skills displayed and she is lacking in that department as well. She's a completely one dimensional grappler beating up a very unskilled pool of women. Female versions of male sports are always far less skilled and far less enjoyable to watch, which is why their ratings are so much worse. It will always be like this, since men are genetically superior athletes. It's the way we're designed.

So I'm not much of a fan of WMMA. FARRRR less skilled fighters than the men's side. Give a male fighter the exact skills and traits that Ronda has, and they wouldn't even cut it in Bellator -- seriously. She's lucky the women she's fought have no clue no how to stuff a takedown or keep distance to save their lives. If she ever fights Cyborg, she will get crushed and I will be all over Cris as a dog.

Odessa has rousey winning against cyborg. How does he still have a job?

**sideloaded** · 09-08-13, 02:42 AM

i would love to bump all my threads from november 2011 and on saying rousey was a massive bitch and being labeled a hater. Ghost_kid was the worst. dude will drink her pee.

**Luca Fury** · 09-08-13, 03:02 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

Odessa has rousey winning against cyborg. How does he still have a job?

Did you happen to see him and I argue on Twitter over the Silva/Weidman 2 line? He said he would open it -220 for Anderson and I told him he was insane. That'd be HIGHER than what Anderson closed at for the first meeting. I told him it should be Anderson -130. He told me he can't wait to rub it in my face when he opens it that high and the public bets it even higher.

Then he opens it 2 days later at -175, which is already 45 cents lower that what he claimed was already too low (-220). Funny how he claimed my opinion didn't mean shit, yet he opened it 45 cents than where he intended. -175 was still too high, as it was immediately bet down to around -130, where I said it should be. Now, months later, the line is hovering between -115 and -150 for Anderson, which is right where I said it should have been from the start.

I had a lot of fun laughing at Joey after that, considering he claimed he would rub it in my face when his alleged opener of -220 would be bet up even higher.

There's a reason Joey almost never opens the lines. I still laugh at him opening Chris Weidman -365 vs Maia in a fight that he took on 1 week notice while not even in training camp so he had to cut 40 pounds of weight in a week. Even with a full camp -365 would have been batshit crazy. Not surpisingly, the line was bet down to a pick em like 10 minutes after he opened it.

**Luca Fury** · 09-08-13, 03:09 AM

Also, Joey will tweet out a bet like once for UFC card. No joke, I cannot remember the last time one of these won. They lose very single time.

Last card, it was Arantes -275 who he said was "the most undervalued fighter on the card." Well, I was on the other side, the big underdog Souza, and even picked him outright and gave him out as a premium play. Souza broke his hand in the first round yet still won a decision. LMAO at -275 Arantes being "the most undervalued fighter on the card." Souza should have been at least -150.

**sideloaded** · 09-08-13, 03:14 AM

is his twitter even in english? I cant understand a word of it. I would love to play his lines again but not with sportsbook taking 12 weeks to pay out.

I dont cash out every month but when I do I would rather not wait. Plus they robbed hundreds of thousands on correlated parlays and never payed the money back.

Betonline seems to be the best weird line book now that pays.

**sideloaded** · 09-08-13, 03:24 AM

Luca I realized how you know so much about Eye. Isnt her manager related to you?

**Luca Fury** · 09-08-13, 04:30 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

is his twitter even in english? I cant understand a word of it. I would love to play his lines again but not with sportsbook taking 12 weeks to pay out.

I dont cash out every month but when I do I would rather not wait. Plus they robbed hundreds of thousands on correlated parlays and never payed the money back.

Betonline seems to be the best weird line book now that pays.

Yeah, Joey's book takes months to pay and limits you to a few bucks as soon as you win. BetOnline slowpayed the penetrate out of me too. I signed up there and, as is my standard practice for signing with a new book, I only deposited $100 so I could see how things are run there before I deposited any real amount. I turned that $100 into 4k in 4 weeks but didn't like their site outside of the occasion bad line, so I decided to withdraw everything and leave instead of adding more.

It was only 4k, so you'd think they wouldn't care and would pay me quickly over 2 checks. Nope! Did 2 checks that never came that cost extra because they were supposed to be there in 1 week as opposed to the standard 30 day checks. They never came. I kept asking customer service and they kept saying they're coming. NOPE! After months of this, I told them to fukk off and cancel the checks so I could withdraw with a book-to-book transfer instead. NOPE! They had a shit ton of restriction, like having to have withdrawn from them using another method at least 5x first.

So my only choice was Western Union with a bullshit $800 limit and a $100 fee. Yep, that's right, 12.5% fee to withdraw. Unreal. I had to do 6 of those to get the little over 4k I had in there. I'm so glad I didn't like them and chose to withdraw from there at 4k instead of adding more. It saved more so much trouble then if I didn't find this out until I had 5 figures in there.

This happened to someone else I know after me, so it doesn't seem to be an anomaly. Moral of the story, fukk BetOnline.They're slow-paying scammers

**Luca Fury** · 09-08-13, 04:31 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

Luca I realized how you know so much about Eye. Isnt her manager related to you?

I don't even know who her manager is. Why do you ask? Is his/her last name Fury too or something?

MD · 09-08-13, 08:35 AM

Originally posted by Luca Fury

How would the NBA have women in it's league? They can't play vs the men, so what would be the point?

Basketball has 1 game in 1 arena on 1 day. So there would be no point in putting female and male players together in the same league. They would have to treat it like 2 separate leagues, which is what they do. And for clarification, they call them the NBA and WNBA.

That's different that the UFC which puts on events with multiple fights on the card. Therefor, it makes sense to have women and men in the same league, on the same shows. Why would they make all women's cards and all mens'a cards? That'd be dumb. That's like saying that each weight class should be a separate league and they should only do all welterweight events, all lightweight events, etc.

Tennis does the same thing as the UFC since it's a similar format. They have the men and women play at the same events on the same day, separated by the men's and women's sides -- just like the men's bantamweight division and the women's bantamweight division.

^ This, pretty much.

MD · 09-08-13, 08:40 AM

Originally posted by Luca Fury

Did you happen to see him and I argue on Twitter over the Silva/Weidman 2 line? He said he would open it -220 for Anderson and I told him he was insane. That'd be HIGHER than what Anderson closed at for the first meeting. I told him it should be Anderson -130. He told me he can't wait to rub it in my face when he opens it that high and the public bets it even higher.

Then he opens it 2 days later at -175, which is already 45 cents lower that what he claimed was already too low (-220). Funny how he claimed my opinion didn't mean shit, yet he opened it 45 cents than where he intended. -175 was still too high, as it was immediately bet down to around -130, where I said it should be. Now, months later, the line is hovering between -115 and -150 for Anderson, which is right where I said it should have been from the start.

I had a lot of fun laughing at Joey after that, considering he claimed he would rub it in my face when his alleged opener of -220 would be bet up even higher.

There's a reason Joey almost never opens the lines. I still laugh at him opening Chris Weidman -365 vs Maia in a fight that he took on 1 week notice while not even in training camp so he had to cut 40 pounds of weight in a week. Even with a full camp -365 would have been batshit crazy. Not surpisingly, the line was bet down to a pick em like 10 minutes after he opened it.

In fairness, -365 was undervaluing Weidman in that fight. Obviously everyone will take Maia at those odds, but the true odds of Weidman winning that fight, even on a week's notice, are above -400 in my opinion. With a full camp they're much higher than even that.

**sideloaded** · 09-08-13, 09:36 AM

women in the ufc is a joke. Bringing in one division that isnt even close to being the best womens division. 115 lbs is where it's at. Women will never survive zuffa after ronda is gone. It's a fact that everyone already knows. Not a huge fan of invicta, but it's losing money like crazy and will be shut down soon anyways. Long live JEWELS.

MD · 09-08-13, 09:41 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

women in the ufc is a joke. Bringing in one division that isnt even close to being the best womens division. 115 lbs is where it's at. Women will never survive zuffa after ronda is gone. It's a fact that everyone already knows. Not a huge fan of invicta, but it's losing money like crazy and will be shut down soon anyways. Long live JEWELS.

I actually think that the most potentially marketable woman in MMA at the moment is Jessica Penne. Also one of the most skilled IMO. She reminds me of GSP. Thoughts?

**sideloaded** · 09-08-13, 09:47 AM

Penne? I dont know if you're trolling or not. She is really skilled. But have you seen her interviews? Mainstream people only care if you're really pretty or say some dumb ass shit like rousey. Penne does neither.

Future super star is Mizuki. But even japan doesnt market her with shootboxing trying to get her to lose to Ai Takahashi over and over. And Invicta doing jack shit to promote her. Easily better Boxing than 100% of ufc fighters.

MD · 09-08-13, 09:51 AM

Originally posted by sideloaded

Penne? I dont know if you're trolling or not. She is really skilled. But have you seen her interviews? Mainstream people only care if you're really pretty or say some dumb ass shit like rousey. Penne does neither.

Future super star is Mizuki. But even japan doesnt market her with shootboxing trying to get her to lose to Ai Takahashi over and over. And Invicta not doing jack shit to promote her. Easily better Boxing than 100% of ufc fighters.

You don't think Penne is attractive? Maybe I just have weird taste.

I think she's very straight-laced and a good ambassador for the sport. Rousey is a bit on the dumb side and is a terribly moody and childish person. Judging by her reaction to how she was treated during the filming of TUF, I'd be surprised if she stayed in MMA for too much longer anyway.

**sideloaded** · 09-08-13, 09:58 AM

I think she looks fine. No one has really marketed her. I think this has happened for so long in her career she has given up trying to be a star for the neckbeards on reddit. They seem to love Thug Rose.

**sideloaded** · 09-08-13, 10:00 AM

Erica Montoya could have been a star, was even in the ufc game on PS2. Megumi could've been huge in america, same for Yuki Tsuji or Hisae Watanabe. Watanabe had true KO power at 105 lbs. Was a punk rock girl and starred in a few pr0no's films in japan.

Then there is Rin in my avatar. Im sure you've seen some of her sexy vids I posted.

MD · 09-08-13, 10:01 AM

I like Rose, but her skills haven't caught up to her personality, and she's very overconfident.

I can't stand JAG, though. Or Zoila.

**sideloaded** · 09-08-13, 10:08 AM

Zoila's career has been dead for years. Which Im glad. Worst mma champ in history. JAG abuses steroids.

MD · 09-08-13, 10:13 AM

JAG abuses judging.