[On2TheNext1]

Who do you know in the 2+2 community that you'd like to escrow with? Any reputable member is fine by me. If you're in Vegas I know some people who will pay you cash in hand or collect in person if that makes it easier.

I don't want to give up my identity on 2+2 just yet until we hammer out exact conditions. I have trades with bracelet winners, as well as lots of cash trades in the trade thread and staking forum.

Anyway, here are the terms of the bet as I understand them:

My $5k to win your $5k.

I win if I can provide a screenshot showing a bet of +135 on Cerrone vs. Dos Anjos at Sportsbook. If I cannot provide this screenshot, I lose. Correct? No arguments about amounts or real name being posted, just the bet.

Do you mind telling me your name at 2+2?

Going to talk to some guys about escrow right now. I am not in vegas.

Why would you provide the screenshot? You could've played the opener for all I know. MD has to provide the screenshot and the date/time of the posted bet must correspond, pre date his post claiming he played the opener, and there has to be some proof it's form his account.

That's not the terms of the bet that you agreed to, you posted:

" Get on that google image search, start PMing every MMA gambler you know to see if they got the opener and will let you borrow a screen cap, MD."

Are you implying the bet is that you can't find/acquire/no one on God's green earth played the Cerrone +135 opener on sportsbook.ag and can provide a screencap of it?

I think what I'm implying in the comment you last quoted (that MD will attempt something shady) is apparent to anyone with two brain cells.

That certainly is not the bet. I hardly think asking for some validation that it is in fact MD's account making the bet is me "backing out". That's common sense.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

Are you implying the bet is that you can't find/acquire/no one on God's green earth played the Cerrone +135 opener on sportsbook.ag and can provide a screencap of it?

I think what I'm implying in the comment you last quoted (that MD will attempt something shady) is apparent to anyone with two brain cells.

That certainly is not the bet. I hardly think asking for some validation that it is in fact MD's account making the bet is me "backing out". That's common sense.

Oh snap! The game is still on! Nunya just got his bluff called! Where you @ Nunya?!

[Vaughany]

Im gonna run out of popcorn me thinks

[Beelzebubzy]

Nunya won-ya

I wonder how much of a kicker did he offer md to provide the pic.

[On2TheNext1]

Did anyone here interpret the bet any differently than how I'm explaining it?

Or do you agree with Nunya's apparent interpretation via pm's?

(I say apparent bc it looks like an angle shoot, but I'll give Nunya a little more credit than that and assume we're just not communicating clearly to each other. But if it's an angle shoot... weaksauce.)

[Vaughany]

Did anyone here interpret the bet any differently than how I'm explaining it?

Or do you agree with Nunya's apparent interpretation via pm's?

(I say apparent bc it looks like an angle shoot, but I'll give Nunya a little more credit than that and assume we're just not communicating clearly to each other. But if it's an angle shoot... weaksauce.)

If you mean interpretation as in interpret this...

Get on that google image search, start PMing every MMA gambler you know to see if they got the opener and will let you borrow a screen cap, MD."

I interpreted that as you suggesting that MD would have to ask somebody else who had got the opener to send him a copy of their screen cap?! So was a dig at him.

Maybe what Nunya means is that you were just expecting a screenshot of the bet and nothing else based on what you said in the thread (you then mentioned in the message that you'd want proof of his account etc...)

[On2TheNext1]

Yeah, meant as a dig at MD. Not the exact terms of the bet. To me that's obvious/common sense.

[Vaughany]

yeah but cos you said "borrow a screen cap" perhaps Nunya thought that's all what was needed - a screencap showing said bet. Which apparently has been done and others can see it

[On2TheNext1]

That's an angle shoot, not in the spirit of the original disagreement/point of contention.

[Vaughany]

We need a lawyer up in here! Where you at Pun, where you at muthafucka

[Vaughany]

[Sato]

Miley went completely LA baby! I love her dearly!

[MD]

The issue with the terms is this, and it's really simple:

Nunya isn't saying that the terms of the bet are to provide any screenshot of the opener, he's saying that the terms are to provide my screenshot, but that no other information is necessary.

When you accepted the wager, you accepted it as-is; if I posted a screenshot of said wager within 24hrs, Nunya is the victor. If not, you are the victor. $5000 at EV. You are purposefully complicating the terms in an attempt to back out of the wager. I'm obviously not going to post my sportsbook.ag screenname, as not only would it prove nothing (could be anyone's), but it's not a part of the original terms of the wager.

You are a time waster, pure and simple. Again, to quote the terms of the bet, and your reaction to them:

What's the terms of the bet then? $5k at even money that MD can produce a screencap showing he bet Cerrone at sportsbook.ag at +130?

I'm in.

Booked (bc I don't think MD had the coin or would pay, he'd just dip and make a new screenname). He has 24 hours to produce said screenshot. Get on that google image search, start PMing every MMA gambler you know to see if they got the opener and will let you borrow a screen cap, MD.

You accepted the terms of the wager with no disagreements. Whether you like it or not, that is what you did. When I offered you the same wager, you turned it down, saying this:

He's bluffing.

-A Real poker player.

(If there were a US facing site I'd trust with $10k I'd snap accept your freezeout offer, poser)

You later said that you didn't accept the wager because you think I "don't have the coin". That's pretty funny, because I offered to escrow the money with a third party, that third party being Nunya, a guy who you later said you trust and whom you were willing to do the wager with. You managed to change your reason for turning down the wager, and your attitude towards Nunya, in a handful of posts.

Why is it that you'd turn down the wager because you don't trust any US-facing sites with your money, but a few hours later, you are willing to accept? I think it's pretty obvious that you had absolutely no intention of going through with the wager, and that you're now trying to save face on an internet forum like the "poser" you claimed me to be.

Again, you called me a liar, and said the following:

This board IS one of a kind. A total dumpster fire. I come from a different gambling background than you. In the poker world integrity means something, all you have is your word and reputation. That obviously doesn't mean shit to a collective of true degenerate mouth breathers, but it means something to me. A man of principle you could say. And this manipulative little pathological liar is getting called out for what he is... a poser.

What kind of "man of principle" books a bet and then refuses to escrow until the terms are changed? After all this talk of "integrity", and "principle", you accepted a bet just to save face, thinking that nothing would come of it, and you're attempting to change the terms of a wager that you accepted, in an attempt to weasel your way out. You are pathetic.

[On2TheNext1]

The issue with the terms is this, and it's really simple:

Nunya isn't saying that the terms of the bet are to provide any screenshot of the opener, he's saying that the terms are to provide my screenshot, but that no other information is necessary.

Why would I accept just any screenshot regardless of source if the point of contention is that you specifically made the bet? I already said I fully expect you to ask someone else for a screenshot or something similarly shady? Why would I not do my due diligence in assuring that it was you that made said bet on the Cerrone opener and not Nunya or some other random bettor from some other random site?

Asking for proof that you made the bet is not remotely unreasonable. You could have copied/screen grabbed someone else's bet off another forum or asked someone who did make the bet for a screen, cropped out info identifying the real bettor, photoshopped it, et al.

When you accepted the wager, you accepted it as-is; if I posted a screenshot of said wager within 24hrs, Nunya is the victor. If not, you are the victor. $5000 at EV. You are purposefully complicating the terms in an attempt to back out of the wager. I'm obviously not going to post my sportsbook.ag screenname, as not only would it prove nothing (could be anyone's), but it's not a part of the original terms of the wager.

You are a time waster, pure and simple. Again, to quote the terms of the bet, and your reaction to them:

Hardly an unreasonable request that there be some, any, verification that it's your account.

You accepted the terms of the wager with no disagreements. Whether you like it or not, that is what you did. When I offered you the same wager, you turned it down, saying this:



You later said that you didn't accept the wager because you think I "don't have the coin". That's pretty funny, because I offered to escrow the money with a third party, that third party being Nunya, a guy who you later said you trust and whom you were willing to do the wager with. You managed to change your reason for turning down the wager, and your attitude towards Nunya, in a handful of posts.

I missed where you were willing to escrow, since Nunya is now a bettor, how bout Vaughany? You can do player to player transfers via 5d, correct?

Why is it that you'd turn down the wager because you don't trust any US-facing sites with your money, but a few hours later, you are willing to accept? I think it's pretty obvious that you had absolutely no intention of going through with the wager, and that you're now trying to save face on an internet forum like the "poser" you claimed me to be.

POKER you dumb penetrating oyster. If there were a US facing poker site that I trusted with $10k and could get my money on/off in a reasonable amount of time I'd happily play you on the internet. You challenged someone to play HU for $10k allegedly... I snap accept if you're ever in the continental US -- I will fly to you on my dime and play you HU any game, any stake, cash game non escalating blinds, for as long as you like.

What kind of "man of principle" books a bet and then refuses to escrow until the terms are changed? After all this talk of "integrity", and "principle", you accepted a bet just to save face, thinking that nothing would come of it, and you're attempting to change the terms of a wager that you accepted, in an attempt to weasel your way out. You are pathetic.

It's weird you're hung up on providing evidence the screen cap came from you/bet was placed on your account... the bet is in your/Nunya's hands... you can still win it! My request is reasonable and you/Nunya can still win this bet! Let's see that screenshot.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

Why would I accept just any screenshot regardless of source if the point of contention is that you specifically made the bet?

Explain that to me logically.

My request is reasonable and you/Nunya can still win this bet! Let's see that screenshot.

Oh snap! It looks as though MD made the whole thing up. The fact that Nunya isn't pressing MD to agree to On2's terms means that MD can not provide the goods & Nunya now know's it! This looks as if it's over boys! I declare On2 the winner!

[MD]

Why would I accept just any screenshot regardless of source if the point of contention is that you specifically made the bet?

Explain that to me logically.

My request is reasonable and you/Nunya can still win this bet! Let's see that screenshot.

I don't know, why would you? But you did. Are you denying that you accepted the terms without asking for my identity to be revealed (which is a huge addition)?

But hey, if you want my sportsbook username, take my action for $5000, and escrow the money with Nunya.

[MD]

Oh snap! It looks as though MD made the whole thing up. The fact that Nunya isn't pressing MD to agree to On2's terms means that MD can not provide the goods & Nunya now know's it! This looks as if it's over boys! I declare On2 the winner!

What does that even mean? What did I make up?

Anyway, no, I can provide a screencap, and this guy knows it, which is why he's weaselling out of the bet.

[On2TheNext1]

What does that even mean? What did I make up?

Anyway, no, I can provide a screencap, and this guy knows it, which is why he's weaselling out of the bet.

Providing proof it's your account is a huge addition? Really?

[MD]

Providing proof it's your account is a huge addition? Really?

Yes it's a huge addition, are you retarded? I'd have to give up my identity on SBR.

Might as well make the non-huge addition that you have to post a photocopy of your passport before you can collect if you win.

I also like how you edited your post five minutes after I replied and turned it into a wall of text. Nice work.

[Vaughany]

[On2TheNext1]

When you accepted the wager, you accepted it as-is; if I posted a screenshot of said wager within 24hrs, Nunya is the victor.

If I were being pedantic and attempting to get out of the bet I'd simply point out the following contradiction...

See the highlighted portion above. And who posted, "borrowed", the screenshot?

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/boxing-mma...l#post19475290

Nunya did. What were the terms of the bet? You post a screen cap. "ZOMG bets technically off."

No, faggit, bet is not off bc I'm not an angle shooting cvnt.

Spirit of the bet, point of contention, disagreement still stands. You can still win this penetrating bet, but it's like you don't want to.

[MD]

Here's what I'm going to do:

I'll post my username from sportsbook, along with the Cerrone +135 opener, if you wager me $5000 that I won't, and the money is escrowed with Nunya. You've previously said that you trust Nunya, as do I, so there shouldn't be an issue.

$5000. We can do this today. Do you have any more excuses, or will you accept?

Also, you booked Nunya's bet as-is and are now changing the terms. If you're a man of principle, you will accept the terms that you agreed to, whether you like it or not. Because that's, you know, the definition of the integrity that you claim to have.

[On2TheNext1]

Yes it's a huge addition, are you retarded? I'd have to give up my identity on SBR.

Might as well make the non-huge addition that you have to post a photocopy of your passport before you can collect if you win.

I also like how you edited your post five minutes after I replied and turned it into a wall of text. Nice work.

What does your identity matter? You're not as important as you think you are, breh. What if it's kept to smaller circle of SBR posters? Not the public forum? Agreeable?

[Ron_Paul_2012]

If I were being pedantic and attempting to get out of the bet I'd simply point out the following contradiction...

See the highlighted portion above. And who posted, "borrowed", the screenshot?

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/boxing-mma...l#post19475290

Nunya did. What were the terms of the bet? You post a screen cap. "ZOMG bets technically off."

No, faggit, bet is not off bc I'm not an angle shooting cvnt.

Spirit of the bet, point of contention, disagreement still stands. You can still win this penetrating bet, but it's like you don't want to.

I don't think he can provide proof. That's what it boils down to.

[MD]

If I were being pedantic and attempting to get out of the bet I'd simply point out the following contradiction...

See the highlighted portion above. And who posted, "borrowed", the screenshot?

http://www.sportsbookreview.com/forum/boxing-mma...l#post19475290

Nunya did. What were the terms of the bet? You post a screen cap. "ZOMG bets technically off."

No, faggit, bet is not off bc I'm not an angle shooting cvnt.

Spirit of the bet, point of contention, disagreement still stands. You can still win this penetrating bet, but it's like you don't want to.

What post do you think you're linking to? Nunya never posted the screenshot, you f-cking idiot. That's not what that image was.

Dear lord, you're dumb as a sack of shit.

[On2TheNext1]

Here's what I'm going to do:

I'll post my username from sportsbook, along with the Cerrone +135 opener, if you wager me $5000 that I won't, and the money is escrowed with Nunya. You've previously said that you trust Nunya, as do I, so there shouldn't be an issue.

$5000. We can do this today. Do you have any more excuses, or will you accept?

Also, you booked Nunya's bet as-is and are now changing the terms. If you're a man of principle, you will accept the terms that you agreed to, whether you like it or not. Because that's, you know, the definition of the integrity that you claim to have.

Why would I escrow with someone involved in the bet and has a vested interest in the outcome? Is this why you're game theory dense?

Obviously the terms weren't agreed upon if Nunya attempted to clarify them in private messages and then we disagreed on the particulars of "proof". You can't name your terms and declare yourself a winner. That's why we're going public. No weaseling on either side. We can hash out exact terms.

[On2TheNext1]

What post do you think you're linking to? Nunya never posted the screenshot, you f-cking idiot. That's not what that image was.

Dear lord, you're dumb as a sack of shit.

Post #1502, you can't really claim I'm dumb if the image was taken down before I and others got to see it... others in the thread intimated it was said screenshot with their oohs and ahhhs and popcorn gifs. If it was a image of something unrelated, my mistake. But the thread reads like the screenshot was posted.

[MD]

What does your identity matter? You're not as important as you think you are, breh. What if it's kept to smaller circle of SBR posters? Not the public forum? Agreeable?

Because when the guy asking for my identity has been following me around the forum exclusively posting negative things about me for the better part of 10 days, then I'd say it's a pretty big point of contention.

Why would I escrow with someone involved in the bet and has a vested interest in the outcome? Is this why you're game theory dense?

Obviously the terms weren't agreed upon if Nunya attempted to clarify them in private messages and then we disagreed on the particulars of "proof". You can't name your terms and declare yourself a winner. That's why we're going public. No weaseling on either side. We can hash out exact terms.

Our bet would be separate. I don't care what you want to bet on with Nunya, the guy is honourable. He'll pay the winner and you know it.

So when you say "Ok, I will book this bet", you don't mean that you're accepting the bet, you mean that you will accept the bet but only if you can change the terms later on as you see fit?

[MD]

Post #1502, you can't really claim I'm dumb if the image was taken down before I and others got to see it... others in the thread intimated it was said screenshot with their oohs and ahhhs and popcorn gifs. If it was a image of something unrelated, my mistake. But the thread reads like the screenshot was posted.

It was not the screenshot. Good logical deduction though, considering he posted "I've got 50 bills with your name on them" along with the image. Really sounds like something that would come before a wager-ending screenshot, huh?

[NunyaBidness]

Just woke up.

What proof will you settle for that its MDs account?

Obviously if it was my bet, I'd out myself to scoop the bet, but MD has no upside here, as its my funds.

If you want to split the bet $2,500 with him and $2,500 with me, I'll agree to that just to get it done with.

Post what terms you want to prove its his account, we'll see if we can work with there.

Perhaps we can designate PunisherIND, who is an attorney to verify documentation, where MD only has to show his data to him.

Just don't waste my time, I've got shit to do and if you don't have any intention on holding up your end, I don't want to spend any more time thinking about this.

[On2TheNext1]

Because when the guy asking for my identity has been following me around the forum exclusively posting negative things about me for the better part of 10 days, then I'd say it's a pretty big point of contention.

What could I do with it? Logically speaking.

Our bet would be separate. I don't care what you want to bet on with Nunya, the guy is honourable. He'll pay the winner and you know it.

I don't know him, he's protecting his 2+2 identity as hard as you are you're real one and appears to be attempting an angle shot (unless it's just a misunderstanding).

So when you say "Ok, I will book this bet", you don't mean that you're accepting the bet, you mean that you will accept the bet but only if you can change the terms later on as you see fit?

I assumed the terms, spirit of the bet were not in contention. You didn't place the bet on your account.

[NunyaBidness]

Post #1502, you can't really claim I'm dumb if the image was taken down before I and others got to see it... others in the thread intimated it was said screenshot with their oohs and ahhhs and popcorn gifs. If it was a image of something unrelated, my mistake. But the thread reads like the screenshot was posted.

It was a screenshot of your money.

[NunyaBidness]

What could I do with it? Logically speaking.

I don't know him, he's protecting his 2+2 identity as hard as you are you're real one and appears to be attempting an angle shot (unless it's just a misunderstanding).

You haven't posted your 2+2 name yet, either.

Also, I'm not attempting an angle-shoot, I knew that MD would not want to out himself over having his information public and perhaps his bet size.

We could do a screen shot of the bet showing his account number and that top, along with a screen shot showing that same account number with his name and address blocked out but showing that he is from Ireland, will that suffice?

[MD]

What could I do with it? Logically speaking.




I don't know him, he's protecting his 2+2 identity as hard as you are you're real one and appears to be attempting an angle shot (unless it's just a misunderstanding).



I assumed the terms, spirit of the bet were not in contention. You didn't place the bet on your account.

If you had signed a contract with that wording, would/could you back out of the wager? No? I didn't think so. The reason is because a contract is iron-clad, and your word is not. You claim to be a man of integrity, but if you really had integrity, you either wouldn't have accepted the terms as-is, or you would have accepted that you made a mistake and took the wager as you agreed to. You should have done the first, but since you didn't, you should accept the terms of the wager as specified, because you accepted them. You have no room to talk about "integrity" if you're trying to change a wager which you already booked.

[On2TheNext1]

Just woke up.

What proof will you settle for that its MDs account?

Obviously if it was my bet, I'd out myself to scoop the bet, but MD has no upside here, as its my funds.

If you want to split the bet $2,500 with him and $2,500 with me, I'll agree to that just to get it done with.

Post what terms you want to prove its his account, we'll see if we can work with there.

Perhaps we can designate PunisherIND, who is an attorney to verify documentation, where MD only has to show his data to him.

Just don't waste my time, I've got shit to do and if you don't have any intention on holding up your end, I don't want to spend any more time thinking about this.

Obviously I'd want to see proof/evidence myself. I'm cool with taking it off the public board and we can add Punisher and Vaughany as arbitrators of the bet. They can vouch that evidence was provided and determine if it meets the terms of the agreement.

-Is there any third party MD trusts on this site other than Nunya?