UFC on ESPN+ 8: Jacare vs. Hermansson (April 27, 2019)

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  • PaperTrail07
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    #246
    Hell of a fight by Joker....lot of heart...
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    • Demonata
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      #247
      Of course i say i would have bet sandhagen and hermansson this card but skipped it instead!!! I could have made good money tonight!!!! Fuk me!!!!
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      • PaperTrail07
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        #248
        you sharp bastard.....they do pace themselves usually...
        Originally posted by JIBBBY
        I'll tell you guys a gem if fighters are preparing for a 5 round fight it usually gets out of the 1st and 2nd round.. Look for those props in the future.. I don't share with these often!!!

        Win 4/27/19 11:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1057 Souza / Hermansson starts round 2 -175* vs Fight won’t start round 2
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        • bjpenn85
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          #249
          Poor jacare never gets his shot!
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          • HurlSweatPants
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            #250
            Jacare looking very Woodley like in that fight.
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            • yisman
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              #251
              if that fight were in Brazil, the judges would've given it to Jacare

              extremely lopsided fight. Hermansson dominated and clearly won 4 of 5 rounds.

              Despite that, two of the judges scored it 48-47.
              [quote=jjgold;5683305]I win again like usual
              [/quote]

              [quote=Whippit;7921056]miami won't lose a single eastern conference game through end of season[/quote]
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              • HurlSweatPants
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                #252
                Originally posted by yisman
                if that fight were in Brazil, the judges would've given it to Jacare

                extremely lopsided fight. Hermansson dominated and clearly won 4 of 5 rounds.

                Despite that, two of the judges scored it 48-47.
                Yeah I had a clear 49-46 but at least the right man got the nod.
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                • Demonata
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                  #253
                  Originally posted by JIBBBY
                  I'll tell you guys a gem if fighters are preparing for a 5 round fight it usually gets out of the 1st and 2nd round.. Look for those props in the future.. I don't share with these often!!!

                  Win 4/27/19 11:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1057 Souza / Hermansson starts round 2 -175* vs Fight won’t start round 2

                  Pending 4/27/19 11:00pm MMA Props Fighting 1003 Souza / Hermansson goes 5 round distance +475* vs Fight won't go 5 round distance
                  Those were main picks for this fight? You predicted 5 rounds?
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                  • Sanity Check
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                    #254
                    Jon Fitch vs Rory MacDonald live now.

                    Introductions are underway atm.

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                    • JIBBBY
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                      #255
                      Originally posted by Sanity Check
                      Jon Fitch vs Rory MacDonald live now.

                      Introductions are underway atm.

                      Again this gets out of the 1st round and probably the 2nd.. Might go the distance not sure with this one.. Finch is suspect..5 round fight though and they prepare for this mentally and physically.

                      Last edited by JIBBBY; 04-27-19, 11:41 PM.
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                      • PaperTrail07
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                        #256
                        WOW a penetrating draw in bellator LOL...
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                        • Sanity Check
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                          #257
                          Jon Fitch vs Rory Macdonald final result: majority draw.



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                          • PaperTrail07
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                            #258
                            Weird-Hope Rory is OK....seems mentally messed up...
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                            • JIBBBY
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                              #259
                              Rory is cerebral and needs to retire now, his heart isn't in it anymore that's why he is in Belator and not the UFC..

                              I'm listing now with what he is saying. Rory is a beast but not fighting like one anymore.. Just doesn't have the eye of the tiger any longer.. Like he said he doesn't want to put the hurt on people anymore.. That's when you need to hang them up...
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                              • PaperTrail07
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                                #260
                                100% when you get yourself hurt...
                                Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                Rory is cerebral and needs to retire now, his heart isn't in it anymore that's why he is in Belator and not the UFC..

                                I'm listing now with what he is saying. Rory is a beast but not fighting like one anymore.. Just doesn't have the eye of the tiger any longer.. Like he said he doesn't want to put the hurt on people anymore.. That's when you need to hang them up...
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                                • JIBBBY
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                                  #261
                                  Originally posted by PaperTrail07
                                  Weird-Hope Rory is OK....seems mentally messed up...
                                  He was always a bit strange. Low keyed when he talks, even dark in some ways. That's just Rory.

                                  He was also in alot of wars in the cage also.. Probably got his brain rattled one to many times.
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                                  • bjpenn85
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                                    #262
                                    i remember Rory in his first fight in the ufc. I thought that he displayed sick skills. He stalked people like a killer. Hunger may erode and disappear over the years. Hes not hungry atm, it might come back, but within a month? Hardly. Might be a very good fade material next month. I already hedged out a lot of my parlay yesterday, because i thought rory wouldnt perform, if i remember correctly you also mentioned this, maybe you gave me the tip? haha. Anyway, big red flag
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                                    • JIBBBY
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                                      #263
                                      Originally posted by bjpenn85
                                      i remember Rory in his first fight in the ufc. I thought that he displayed sick skills. He stalked people like a killer. Hunger may erode and disappear over the years. Hes not hungry atm, it might come back, but within a month? Hardly. Might be a very good fade material next month. I already hedged out a lot of my parlay yesterday, because i thought rory wouldnt perform, if i remember correctly you also mentioned this, maybe you gave me the tip? haha. Anyway, big red flag
                                      Kinda reminds me of the mind set of GSP. When your heart isn't the fight game anymore then it's time to move on.

                                      Rory going to Bellator and losing to John Finch is embarrassing.. Then his after fight interview just tells you all you need know.. Rory would have beat the crap out of Finchy just a few years ago.
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                                      • bjpenn85
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                                        #264
                                        Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                        Kinda reminds me of the mind set of GSP. When your heart isn't the fight game anymore then it's time to move on.

                                        Rory going to Bellator and losing to John Finch is embarrassing.. Then his after fight interview just tells you all you need know.. Rory would have beat the crap out of Finchy just a few years ago.
                                        He fights like he doesnt mean it. How bad is his next opponent? Is there any hope of a good underdog play here, a gracie? I would have preferred a grinder, who could fakk with rorys mentality. I dont know if a grappler with questionable takedowns will cut it. Standing Rory will outpoint most people effortlessly...its the grinding he probably cant handle..
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                                        • PaperTrail07
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                                          #265
                                          he fought safe-he used to take one to give one....not so much anymore---guess that noes getting smashed in COMPLETELY has finally added up......
                                          Originally posted by bjpenn85
                                          He fights like he doesnt mean it. How bad is his next opponent? Is there any hope of a good underdog play here, a gracie? I would have preferred a grinder, who could fakk with rorys mentality. I dont know if a grappler with questionable takedowns will cut it. Standing Rory will outpoint most people effortlessly...its the grinding he probably cant handle..
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                                          • Sanity Check
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                                            #266
                                            Jacare was on his way to losing to Chris Weidman before that KO. Then he fell in love with his power, abandoned many technical aspects of his game which contributed to his success, and regressed into a slugger looking to end every fight with a single punch. It happens to a lot of people in the fight game after they knock someone out.

                                            Heavyweight is such a shallow division. People were commenting on Dimitrii Smoliakov having 9 wins wondering who the 9 guys he beat were. "The Lifeguard." That's a great moniker though.
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                                            • bjpenn85
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                                              #267
                                              Originally posted by Sanity Check
                                              Jacare was on his way to losing to Chris Weidman before that KO. Then he fell in love with his power, abandoned many technical aspects of his game which contributed to his success, and regressed into a slugger looking to end every fight with a single punch. It happens to a lot of people in the fight game after they knock someone out.


                                              Heavyweight is such a shallow division. People were commenting on Dimitrii Smoliakov having 9 wins wondering who the 9 guys he beat were. "The Lifeguard." That's a great moniker though.
                                              I thought jacare would at least try to take Hermansson down. Have a feeling Rory wont step up in his next fight...
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                                              • PaperTrail07
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                                                #268
                                                Hard to tell with someone who is bipolar and not all there....could come out like a murderer for all we know.....BUT.....yeah-you cant welcome a takedown from someone like JH and expect it to go smooth....it seems like he was convinced he was bigger and stronger and that's all it was going to take...
                                                Originally posted by bjpenn85
                                                I thought jacare would at least try to take Hermansson down. Have a feeling Rory wont step up in his next fight...
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                                                • HurlSweatPants
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                                                  #269
                                                  Originally posted by Sanity Check
                                                  Jacare was on his way to losing to Chris Weidman before that KO. Then he fell in love with his power, abandoned many technical aspects of his game which contributed to his success, and regressed into a slugger looking to end every fight with a single punch. It happens to a lot of people in the fight game after they knock someone out.

                                                  Heavyweight is such a shallow division. People were commenting on Dimitrii Smoliakov having 9 wins wondering who the 9 guys he beat were. "The Lifeguard." That's a great moniker though.
                                                  Absolutely. Was watching with a buddy, and we both couldn't understand where his head was at, but he clearly thought that he only needed one punch and had been watching Derrick Lewis too much. And whilst that may be true, I think after Round 4 you might need to abandon that theory. After a while we were counting how many shots Herm was throwing, and it was usually 5 or 6 unanswered to 1. He also started every round, including the 5th, without throwing anything meaningful in the first minute.

                                                  Where were the leg kicks? He may have thrown more, but I only remember one leg kick late in the 4th or 5th, after he started the first with a pretty nasty one. Old Jacare would have damaged the shit out of the lead leg, and Herm wouldn't have been on his bicycle the whole fight, which would have made him more succeptable to a KO. I took a shit bath with that performance, but I was more disappointed bc I think he was one of the elite and should've fought for a title, yet he pissed it away with a low IQ fight.
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                                                  • Hugo de Naranja
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                                                    #270
                                                    Frustruating end to the night for me. Back to the grind.
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                                                    • Sanity Check
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                                                      #271
                                                      Originally posted by HurlSweatPants
                                                      Absolutely. Was watching with a buddy, and we both couldn't understand where his head was at, but he clearly thought that he only needed one punch and had been watching Derrick Lewis too much. And whilst that may be true, I think after Round 4 you might need to abandon that theory. After a while we were counting how many shots Herm was throwing, and it was usually 5 or 6 unanswered to 1. He also started every round, including the 5th, without throwing anything meaningful in the first minute.

                                                      Where were the leg kicks? He may have thrown more, but I only remember one leg kick late in the 4th or 5th, after he started the first with a pretty nasty one. Old Jacare would have damaged the shit out of the lead leg, and Herm wouldn't have been on his bicycle the whole fight, which would have made him more succeptable to a KO. I took a shit bath with that performance, but I was more disappointed bc I think he was one of the elite and should've fought for a title, yet he pissed it away with a low IQ fight.
                                                      I think there is a relationship between cardio and durability where someone can eat KO punch after KO punch without being KO'ed.

                                                      Guys like Hermansson with exceptional cardio are usually extremely durable and have granite chins. They also recover quickly.

                                                      Tony Ferguson could be another example of cardio ->> durability.

                                                      Max Holloway another cardio ->> durability guy.
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                                                      • firekillex
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                                                        #272
                                                        cardio lets you recover faster its no doubt...
                                                        hence TJ being dropped like a sack of potatoes and coming out 45 seconds later fully normal
                                                        GSP hurt by condit and comes back like its nothing

                                                        guys with amazing cardio always recover after being tagged, but it doesnt help your actual chin taking 1 clean powerful shot imo
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                                                        • Sanity Check
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                                                          #273
                                                          Not only does cardio help a person's chin.

                                                          That type of cardio can be gained by anyone that knows how to train correctly.

                                                          Which is something not everyone knows how to do. If you watch UFC embeddeds you can see there are still a lot of UFC fighters who make basic & fundamental mistakes. There are people who have fought in the UFC for 10+ years who still don't know how to train cardio properly.

                                                          I know some of the answers. The rest of you are either gonna have to be smart and figure it out or hear from someone else. Or you can listen to anti-intellectuals who are too lazy to bother thinking about things who use generic and flawed explanations: its "DNA".
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                                                          • bjpenn85
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                                                            #274
                                                            Originally posted by Sanity Check
                                                            Not only does cardio help a person's chin.

                                                            That type of cardio can be gained by anyone that knows how to train correctly.

                                                            Which is something not everyone knows how to do. If you watch UFC embeddeds you can see there are still a lot of UFC fighters who make basic & fundamental mistakes. There are people who have fought in the UFC for 10+ years who still don't know how to train cardio properly.

                                                            I know some of the answers. The rest of you are either gonna have to be smart and figure it out or hear from someone else. Or you can listen to anti-intellectuals who are too lazy to bother thinking about things who use generic and flawed explanations: its "DNA".
                                                            I think youre right Sanity, but i am wondering if there are large discrepancys from nature as well. I actually do think its in the DNA. In the human body, as far i know, you have red fibers (type 1) and white fibers(typ 2). and you have fast twitch who can be again divided into 2a or 2b.

                                                            Sooo...what does this mean? It means that if you have fast twitch it means your body is able to metabolize energy quickly, the white fibers, but youre not particularly good aerobically since you actually dont have a majority of the red fibers who metabolize and create energy over time...mid 2.round and 3.round youre going to have issue.

                                                            This is in the DNA. Do people train wrong, absolutely, im sure youre right, but not all people can be world champion in a marathon, and not all people could be world champion in 100m sprint, thats largely decided by factors in the DNA, enzymes, amount of mitochondria, transcription factors bla bla.
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                                                            • Thrilla
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                                                              #275
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                                                              • rsynweap84
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                                                                #276
                                                                Well at least Jacarestrap can be a gate-keeper. My money was lost on Joker ITD(TKO Mainly), Lineker straight, and Sakai TKO(<---pls never fight again, couldn't punch the broad side of the empire f*ckin' state bldg, utter fail...)

                                                                Joker could've finished him on the ground, with some strikes early...goin for a sub to prove a point is "full-retard"...still tho, plenty of entertaining fights, Miller was textbook, don't think he can but hey who knows, title run? prolly not.
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                                                                • Sanity Check
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                                                                  #277
                                                                  Originally posted by bjpenn85
                                                                  I think youre right Sanity, but i am wondering if there are large discrepancys from nature as well. I actually do think its in the DNA. In the human body, as far i know, you have red fibers (type 1) and white fibers(typ 2). and you have fast twitch who can be again divided into 2a or 2b.

                                                                  Sooo...what does this mean? It means that if you have fast twitch it means your body is able to metabolize energy quickly, the white fibers, but youre not particularly good aerobically since you actually dont have a majority of the red fibers who metabolize and create energy over time...mid 2.round and 3.round youre going to have issue.

                                                                  This is in the DNA. Do people train wrong, absolutely, im sure youre right, but not all people can be world champion in a marathon, and not all people could be world champion in 100m sprint, thats largely decided by factors in the DNA, enzymes, amount of mitochondria, transcription factors bla bla.
                                                                  People say "DNA" but traits like intelligence and athleticism aren't hereditary. A person with high intelligence like Einstein doesn't necessarily have kids who are geniuses. A good athlete like Jon Jones could have kids who might absolutely suck at sports. A billionaire like Bill Gates could have kids who aren't good at running a business.

                                                                  Environment. Nature versus nurture. Epigenetics. Microbiome. There are plenty of life choices and influences which could factor in to how successful an athlete, intellectual or businessman someone is aside from DNA.

                                                                  DNA is kind of a lazy and generic explanation for things. I think the same applies to paradigms like fast twitch versus slow twitch muscle fibers. A person's athleticism isn't limited by how quickly or slowly muscle fibers contract. Its moreso due to how quickly the brain can process information or activate/inhibit muscles to engage/disengage. Fast reflexes or speed has more to do with the brain than it does an arm or leg. IMO. Anyways.
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                                                                  • bjpenn85
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                                                                    #278
                                                                    Originally posted by Sanity Check
                                                                    People say "DNA" but traits like intelligence and athleticism aren't hereditary. A person with high intelligence like Einstein doesn't necessarily have kids who are geniuses. A good athlete like Jon Jones could have kids who might absolutely suck at sports. A billionaire like Bill Gates could have kids who aren't good at running a business.

                                                                    Intelligence and athleticism is without a doubt hereditary. I think the research is overwhelming here. A person who wants to become a sprinter for instance must have the genes, you cant work your way to the top, even if you where allowed to take the best drugs out there, you still would loose to people with the right genes.

                                                                    But in MMA, as you said, i do think you correct, you can train smarter, work your ass off and probably out manoeuvre 90% of the field like Demian Maia. Demian Maia got shitty genes, he makes everyone look bad. But, when Demian Maia meets Anderson Silva....the guy with the genes, he cant do a shit. So thats the problem with genes, same with Jones, you cant touch him. Genes matter the most at the top, but you can get to the dop without genes, easily, but top 5 in the UFC, veeeeeeeery hard without not having ok genes. Sports are super unfair man.

                                                                    So many fights in the UFC i just bet against the guy withouth athleticism, which is genes, i dont just wiki cap and look...ah damn...he is so unathletic, even though he is a bit more skilled, he will have a huge problem and it works an astonishingly amount of the time. Genes matter like a motherfakker.

                                                                    Environment. Nature versus nurture. Epigenetics. Microbiome. There are plenty of life choices and influences which could factor in to how successful an athlete, intellectual or businessman someone is aside from DNA.

                                                                    DNA is kind of a lazy and generic explanation for things. I think the same applies to paradigms like fast twitch versus slow twitch muscle fibers. A person's athleticism isn't limited by how quickly or slowly muscle fibers contract. Its moreso due to how quickly the brain can process information or activate/inhibit muscles to engage/disengage. Fast reflexes or speed has more to do with the brain than it does an arm or leg. IMO. Anyways.
                                                                    Thats a wrong assumption. Just because there exist kids that are not athletic of athletic parents doesnt mean anything. From what i can remember in genetics, athletic capabilities is hereditary. Its like with diseases, you have certain % chance to have this disease if your x-linked dominant or x-linked recessive.

                                                                    Try to tell me Jon Jones and Yoel Romero is possible to beat without not having superb genes for sports.

                                                                    I wish you were right though, but its a tuff sell..
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                                                                    • Sanity Check
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                                                                      #279
                                                                      Originally posted by bjpenn85
                                                                      Thats a wrong assumption. Just because there exist kids that are not athletic of athletic parents doesnt mean anything. From what i can remember in genetics, athletic capabilities is hereditary. Its like with diseases, you have certain % chance to have this disease if your x-linked dominant or x-linked recessive.

                                                                      Try to tell me Jon Jones and Yoel Romero is possible to beat without not having superb genes for sports.

                                                                      I wish you were right though, but its a tuff sell..

                                                                      There's a theme common in pop culture which says: only a Stark, Targeryan, Lannister or member of a royal family can kill the Night King. If a commoner like Bronn of the Blackwater tries to kill a dragon, he'll fail cuz he's not royalty, he lacks the genetic lineage and therefore can't be a hero of legend the way that someone like Jon Snow can.

                                                                      In the real world the closest thing to royal blood we have fighting in MMA may be Cathal Pendred btw afaik the name Pendred is associated with european nobility/royalty. Tell me how far that noble DNA got Cathal Pendred in his MMA career.

                                                                      That's where our generic DNA explanation comes from. Its origins are myths & stories, our culture which says only Harry Potter descended from the royal Peverell family can defeat Lord Voldemort. ONLY Luke Skywalker who has the DNA of the most powerful jedi can defeat the emperor. Its an extremely privilege based theme in terms of anyone in a story who isn't descended from royalty or someone famous is pretty much fukkd.

                                                                      In the real world: everyone is smart, tough and talented whether they're descended from royal bloodlines or not. There are plenty of talented people who refuse to work hard or lack the mental discipline to succeed. There are millions if not billions of people in this world who could beat Yoel Romero or Jon Jones in MMA. For whatever reason maybe they didn't believe in themselves, maybe their mom wanted them to pursue a career in something other than athletics and so they could never reach their potential competing in MMA.

                                                                      The thing with athletes like Jon Jones and Yoel Romero is that combination of talent, hard work, mental discipline and so on. Some people have the talent but can't find it in themselves to put in the work. Others put in the work but lack the support in terms of having the right coaches or team. Its never a single thing like DNA determines that high level of success or failure. Its more like an aligning of the stars where a combination of things comes together to produce noteworthy achievement.
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                                                                        #280
                                                                        Originally posted by bjpenn85
                                                                        Try to tell me Jon Jones and Yoel Romero is possible to beat without not having superb genes for sports.
                                                                        Think of it this way.

                                                                        Yoel Romero won a silver medal in the olympics for wrestling. Who was the guy that beat Yoel and got the gold medal? Yoel definitely is not undefeated in his wrestling career. He has losses in wrestling. He has losses in his MMA career. Some thought Jacare beat Yoel Romero when they fought even though Jacare doesn't look like the most imposting physical specimen.

                                                                        A good percentage of Yoel being marketed as an invincible genetic freak is just hype.

                                                                        Jon Jones dominated light heavyweight which is such a shallow division that two guys from middleweight: Thiago Santos and Anthony Smith moved up to 205 and essentially wiped out everyone there except Jon Jones.

                                                                        Jon Jones has plenty of losses in his amateur wrestling career. He wasn't undefeated as a wrestler because his DNA was so great. A good part of the mystique surrounding Jones could just be hype and Jones competing in a shallow weight division. Kind of like Ronda Rousey.
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