UFC on FOX: Weidman vs. Gastelum (July 22, 2017)

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

FOX 8:00 pm ET
Chris Weidman vs Kelvin Gastelum
Dennis Bermudez vs Darren Elkins
Patrick Cummins vs Gian Villanete
Thomas Almeida vs Jimmie Rivera

FOX 6:00 pm ET
Lyman Good vs Elizeu Zaleski dos Santos
Rafael Natal vs Alessio Di Chirico
Ryan LaFlare vs Alex Oliveira
Damian Grabowski vs Christian Colombo

UFC Fight Pass 4:00 pm ET
Kyle Bochniak vs Jeremy Kennedy
Timothy Johnson vs Junior Albini
Shane Burgos vs Godofredo Pepey
Frankie Perez vs Chris Wade

[Hugo de Naranja]

Really liking Gastelum in this spot

[GoBlue77]

weidman easy money

[garvardntl]

Yeah great fight

[Mackballs]

weidman easy money

Fukk that bum ass nobody

[bjpenn85]

Really liking Gastelum in this spot

Mee to. I struggle to see how weidman wins, except the fact that he did look pretty good in the romero fight until he was KOed. He always seem to slow down at the end of round 2/ start av round 3. In the Mousasi fight this was highlighted after all the damage he received and possibly by the implementation of an aggressive wrestling based strategy. He will likely not do the same for this fight as he later admitted that this was a mistake. Anyway, it doesnt matter. He has weak cardio and worse striking than gastelum and he wont have any success with his wrestling against gastelum, so how does he win?

If Weidman can mix thing ups, keep gastelum on the outside with his 7 inch reach advantage (which always should be divided by 2, which people tend to forget), he may have shot. I just dont see how he will outstrike the better striker and not gas, when he ALWAYS gasses.

[Hugo de Naranja]

Mee to. I struggle to see how weidman wins, except the fact that he did look pretty good in the romero fight until he was KOed. He always seem to slow down at the end of round 2/ start av round 3. In the Mousasi fight this was highlighted after all the damage he received and possibly by the implementation of an aggressive wrestling based strategy. He will likely not do the same for this fight as he later admitted that this was a mistake. Anyway, it doesnt matter. He has weak cardio and worse striking than gastelum and he wont have any success with his wrestling against gastelum, so how does he win?

If Weidman can mix thing ups, keep gastelum on the outside with his 7 inch reach advantage (which always should be divided by 2, which people tend to forget), he may have shot. I just dont see how he will outstrike the better striker and not gas, when he ALWAYS gasses.

Yeah I think 5 rounds is a BIG advantage for Kelvin. Weidman has about 7 minutes of gas in all of his fights

[bjpenn85]

weidman easy money

Youre the sbr forums new BIGDAY.

[bjpenn85]

Yeah I think 5 rounds is a BIG advantage for Kelvin. Weidman has about 7 minutes of gas in all of his fights

He will eventually gass. I actually hope he wrestles in round 1 and round 2. He will never be able to sustain 25 minutes. Some pin point accurate punches from gastelum will slow him down further, as in the rockhold fight.

Remember how people was surprised he just gave up after that failed takedown in that fight? Well now we know, as he is always on the brink of retirement in round 3. It was no freak accident that rockhold was able to just finish him effortlessly but more readily a symptom of an unknown, at that time, weakness in weidmans game.

[Ty$]

I have a hard time seeing Weidman hurt or hold Kelvin down. I do see Weidman getting gassed lately which is kinda weird cuz he use to have decent cardio. Kelvins cardio heart and wrestling (defense) give him the win. I'd say TKO but I thought Whittaker would drop Romero so prolly go straight w it. Oh and if of course OVER 2.5

[Demonata]

I think this fight should be interesting. If Weidman loses another fight I have heard from announcers etc the ufc could cut him. He keeps losing and a lot of talent out there. Will be interesting to see if he goes all out and fights like he's fighting for his job or if he just relaxed and gastelum picks him apart or takes him down and drain all of Weidmans willingness to win in the fight. I can't even remember the last time Weidman has won. Was it against Silva when Silva broke his leg? I think Silva would have won that rematch if not for that. I see gastelum winning this fight . Weidman couldn't beat his meat if he watched porn, much less beat anyone in a fight.

[Rich Benjamins]

I think Kelvin by KO is a good bet. Weidman's standup is too slow.

[Rich Benjamins]

Gastellum by KO is +215 on 5Dimes. Prob not a bad bet, this being a 5 round war.

[Hugo de Naranja]

I think this fight should be interesting. If Weidman loses another fight I have heard from announcers etc the ufc could cut him. He keeps losing and a lot of talent out there. Will be interesting to see if he goes all out and fights like he's fighting for his job or if he just relaxed and gastelum picks him apart or takes him down and drain all of Weidmans willingness to win in the fight. I can't even remember the last time Weidman has won. Was it against Silva when Silva broke his leg? I think Silva would have won that rematch if not for that. I see gastelum winning this fight . Weidman couldn't beat his meat if he watched porn, much less beat anyone in a fight.

His last win was Vitor Belfort at UFC 187. Probably on a big contract too. Wouldn't be surprised if UFC lets him go.

[Rich Benjamins]

And he got rocked by Belfort in the standup too. Luckily for him Belfort is horrible on the ground. Then Weidman tells people to stop doubting him and "join the team". Then he loses his next 3 fights.

His last win was Vitor Belfort at UFC 187. Probably on a big contract too. Wouldn't be surprised if UFC lets him go.

[bjpenn85]

Its very unfortunate that Weidman ends up with a four fight loosing streak as Travis Brownee. Weidman appears to be a genuinely good guy. He should focus a lot more on his striking.

[firekillex]

Its very unfortunate that Weidman ends up with a four fight loosing streak as Travis Brownee. Weidman appears to be a genuinely good guy. He should focus a lot more on his striking.

Weidman still showing skills and fighting only top 5 guys , Browne just legit sucks , edman really fcked that guy should progression up as a fighter which ruined his career he easily could've been a top 5 HW ...

Stylistically this fight Favors kelvin especially in 5 rounds , kelvin vs Whittaker one day would be wild.. it's going to be a tough fight and weidman is extremely hungry for a win ... won't go big here but I like Kelvin to win in the boxing and I don't think he can be smothered for 5 rounds even though weidman should have a pretty big size advantage here

[bjpenn85]

Weidman still showing skills and fighting only top 5 guys , Browne just legit sucks , edman really fcked that guy should progression up as a fighter which ruined his career he easily could've been a top 5 HW ...

Stylistically this fight Favors kelvin especially in 5 rounds , kelvin vs Whittaker one day would be wild.. it's going to be a tough fight and weidman is extremely hungry for a win ... won't go big here but I like Kelvin to win in the boxing and I don't think he can be smothered for 5 rounds even though weidman should have a pretty big size advantage here

Kennedy got veeeery tired after wrestling with Kelvin only after a round though. Kelvin looked so good in that fight, one would have to question how good Kennedy really was at that point. I do think though, that Kennedys power in round 1 mirrors Weidmans potential effort a whole lot and that didnt go to well. Kelvin has decent tdd, low center og gravity and is a good wrestler so, i dont know if size will play a role.

I do think that Weidman is very motivated to get a win, now more than ever, although that argument probably would have held some truth in it after every lost fight. Its different to want to come back after a loss, then to fight for your job, i agree. I do also think that Weidman in his pursuit for the victory may end up making mistakes, in his eagerness to win. So it may go both ways.

[firekillex]

i think Kennedy was out mentally before that fight IMO , after seeing the performance live he didnt seem there
Weidman is still extremely hungry and active.. its a more scary fight for Kelvin ... i think its around 65%-70 chance max Kelvin wins for me.... so -140 is still value

[plekz]

i'd bet a fair bit on weidman's knees and back being close to shot at this point. which is why we've seen so little progression made in his movement, instead he's become even more flatfooted than he used to be.

[Rich Benjamins]

One risk I see in betting on Gastellum is where his mental state is at. Is he just penetrating around at 185, or does he want to make a serious title run there? Beating Kennedy and Belfort is one thing. But I think for him to beat Weidman he needs to put in a serious training camp and shoot for the stars. Weidman is a level above the other guys he beat at 185.

[bjpenn85]

One risk I see in betting on Gastellum is where his mental state is at. Is he just penetrating around at 185, or does he want to make a serious title run there? Beating Kennedy and Belfort is one thing. But I think for him to beat Weidman he needs to put in a serious training camp and shoot for the stars. Weidman is a level above the other guys he beat at 185.

Yes. He can have a johny hendricks type of mentality. Unprofessional to the core.

[plekz]

i really do not think that's ever been the case with kelvin, more so 'money related' that's kept him from getting professional dietists and such. but since relocating to cali he's looked better and better every outing he's had.

[bjpenn85]

I hope this continues to be true

[firekillex]

Hoping to get a good price on Bermudez over Elkins
And Rivera over almeida

[bjpenn85]

Hoping to get a good price on Bermudez over Elkins
And Rivera over almeida

The chin of Bermudes. Rivera and Almeida seems close. I still favour both rivera and bermudez to win but, seems like fight that may go both ways. I actually think Elkins by KO is the only way he wins against bermudez, crazy as it sounds.

[Hugo de Naranja]

The chin of Bermudes. Rivera and Almeida seems close. I still favour both rivera and bermudez to win but, seems like fight that may go both ways. I actually think Elkins by KO is the only way he wins against bermudez, crazy as it sounds.

Wasn't his only UFC KO against Bektic lol?

[firekillex]

Wasn't his only UFC KO against Bektic lol?

he had a few in his early UFC fights, but hes not known for his power at all and that was a hail mary win
hes more of a grinder/wrestler... Cant see that working against Bermudez unless hes regressed which i dont really see , i think Bermudez can dictate the fight and hurt Elkins on the feet imo

I think Rivera is going to starch Almeida as well imo, he can also take him down at will if he needs i think .. but well see how Almeida looks facing another elite guy, he failed his first test vs Cody ... the one thing he should have in this fight is length but i think Rivera can grind out a 3 round decision here 3 rounds to 0

[Rich Benjamins]

[QUOTE=firekillex;27080294]he had a few in his early UFC fights, but hes not known for his power at all and that was a hail mary win
hes more of a grinder/wrestler... Cant see that working against Bermudez unless hes regressed which i dont really see , i think Bermudez can dictate the fight and hurt Elkins on the feet imo

Who has Bermudez ever hurt on the feet? He hits like a bitch, I dont think hes ever KOed anyone. I guess Bermudez could grind out a decision if he gets top position over Elkins but it seems unlikely.

[firekillex]

what... bermudez has big power for 45 lol what are you talking about..... he literally had korean zombie hurt his last fight before he got tagged , he starched clay guida who is a mold of elkins, hes beat max holloway

just because you dont ko every opponent doesnt mean you dont have power especially at 45 , hes better then elkins in every aspect basically other then his chin , hes a better athlete, more power, better wrestling and a more fluid striker


wish you were pro id do a bet with you

[Hugo de Naranja]

what... bermudez has big power for 45 lol what are you talking about..... he literally had korean zombie hurt his last fight before he got tagged , he starched clay guida who is a mold of elkins, hes beat max holloway

just because you dont ko every opponent doesnt mean you dont have power especially at 45 , hes better then elkins in every aspect basically other then his chin , hes a better athlete, more power, better wrestling and a more fluid striker


wish you were pro id do a bet with you

The Holloway win was an absolute robbery but I agree with everything else here

[Rich Benjamins]

He did not have Korean Zombie hurt IMO. I'm making an opposing view, that's what a forum is for, right? You seem like you're offended. I am a pro. I'll probably make a bet against you in that fight. Lets see what the line is first.

what... bermudez has big power for 45 lol what are you talking about..... he literally had korean zombie hurt his last fight before he got tagged , he starched clay guida who is a mold of elkins, hes beat max holloway

just because you dont ko every opponent doesnt mean you dont have power especially at 45 , hes better then elkins in every aspect basically other then his chin , hes a better athlete, more power, better wrestling and a more fluid striker


wish you were pro id do a bet with you

[Hugo de Naranja]

He did not have Korean Zombie hurt IMO. I'm making an opposing view, that's what a forum is for, right? You seem like you're offended. I am a pro. I'll probably make a bet against you in that fight. Lets see what the line is first.

I think he means an SBR Pro.

[Rich Benjamins]

I think he means an SBR Pro.

Oh OK, I didn't know SBR Pros can bet against each other. I guess with points.

[bjpenn85]

Wasn't his only UFC KO against Bektic lol?

Bermudez chin is so bad that even elkins who do not have power may still win by KO.