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  • U2.5
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    #1
    UFC 200 (Nate Diaz vs Mcgregor 2) @ 170 rumors
    This should be interesting if it happens. I am thinking Diaz is too tough for the irishman, and the outcome might be the same as the first time around. Maybe this one will last a little bit longer though. I don't see mcgregor blowing his load going for the first round KO in this rematch. Might be a bloody face nate taking left hands through 4 rounds before connor gasses and gets finished again.
  • JoshKnows46
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    #2
    both men will be better this go around, gonna be a great fight, would much rather see this, then mcgregor beat up on the 145ers, he shouldnt be able to make that weight class.... diaz will have a full training camp this time around, I just watched the fight a few more times today, noticed some things i didnt the first time i watched it, i'll post my thoughts after the odds get put up and the limits get increased, have alot of thoughts on the rematch and the first fight as well.
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    • TPowell
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      #3
      Depends on what weight this is at. Conor at 155 could knock diaz out imo
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      • JoshKnows46
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        #4
        Originally posted by TPowell
        Depends on what weight this is at. Conor at 155 could knock diaz out imo
        I heard its gonna be at 170 again, diaz looked outstanding against micheal johnson at 155, best version of him ever in appearance and performance, but more pop on his punches at 170.
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        • U2.5
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          #5
          I think the UFC is doing it at 170 because they can always claim he's a 145er fighting up two weight classes. Less chance of them losing their cash cow's value when he loses up 2 weight classes.
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          • JoshKnows46
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            #6
            i wonder how much conor snorting coke will affect the lines..
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            • U2.5
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              #7
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              • Deceptakhan
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                #8
                If Conor loses 2 in a row, it'll be pretty disastrous for his legacy, and for what..... Bad bad move
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                • Unwritten Law
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                  #9
                  Frankie gets screwed, and McGregor loses rematch to Diaz but will still have the FW belt. They know he will lose to Frankie within 2 rounds. The wagon will be empty when he unsuccessfully defends the FW belt, so might as well let him rematch again to keep the wagon going.
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                  • CaptChaos145
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                    • 04-03-14
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                    #10
                    The only guys Nate lost to were good wrestlers and natural 170 pounders.
                    Stand and trade with Nate and you're probably going to lose.
                    Add in the fact that Diaz has an amazing chin and this spells disaster for Conor. Conor has 1 way to win... Knock Nate out with the left hand. Nate can overwhelm Conor on the feet and tool him on the ground. Conor really needs to understand how tough Nate is.
                    Put the house in Nate.
                    Conor is great when he dictates but he lacks heart. He didn't fight like a champion. He folded up when the going got tough.
                    Plus Nate took the fight in very short notice.
                    What can Conor bring to the table this time around?
                    Conor also gets tired fast. He was exhausted after 2 rounds with Mendes.
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                    • mirinquads
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                      #11
                      Originally posted by TPowell
                      Depends on what weight this is at. Conor at 155 could knock diaz out imo
                      Nop.
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                      • JIBBBY
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                        • 12-10-09
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                        #12
                        How can you bet against Nate Diaz after that beat down? I can't..... Conor gets picked apart again standing.. Bad match up for McGregor as he has no wrestling to beat Nate on the ground and he is at a severe reach and cardio disadvantage as witnessed in fight #1... That's a rematch McGreg should try and avoid..

                        Kinda like Rousey fighting a hungry Holly Holm again especially after she just got beat down by Mesha... McGregor and Rousey not looking good in rematches..

                        I'm starting to think Chris Weidman has a very good chance in the rematch against Luke Rockhold though.. I'm gonna try Weidman again even though I suffered probably my biggest MMA loss ever betting him the first go around..
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                        • plekz
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                          #13
                          Originally posted by JIBBBY
                          I'm starting to think Chris Weidman has a very good chance in the rematch against Luke Rockhold though.. I'm gonna try Weidman again even though I suffered probably my biggest MMA loss ever betting him the first go around..
                          That's a dud, Weidman have shown questionable cardio in several fights now where he's gotten sloppy, he managed to right his wrongs against Machida but with Rockhold it was him getting tired and throwing a very ill adviced attempt at a headkick that was the begining of the end for him.

                          Rockhold wins again.
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                          • JIBBBY
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                            #14
                            Originally posted by plekz
                            That's a dud, Weidman have shown questionable cardio in several fights now where he's gotten sloppy, he managed to right his wrongs against Machida but with Rockhold it was him getting tired and throwing a very ill adviced attempt at a headkick that was the begining of the end for him.

                            Rockhold wins again.
                            The fact remains Chris still has better wrestling then Luke and is the better submission guy which always gives Chris Weidman a chance in this fight especially early on.. He was doing well grappling with Luke early in the first fight anyways.. I expect his cardio to be improved in this next go around...

                            If I bet Chris it will not be for large this second go around I can tell you that PLEKS!!!
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                            • TPowell
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                              #15
                              If this fight is at 170, I may fade Conor. He just doesn't have the body type to compete at 170 with a guy like Diaz. I think at 155, Diaz chin would be weaker and Conor might be able to finish him but even then, he would have to be economical and not go head hunting
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                              • JoshKnows46
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                                #16
                                Originally posted by TPowell
                                If this fight is at 170, I may fade Conor. He just doesn't have the body type to compete at 170 with a guy like Diaz. I think at 155, Diaz chin would be weaker and Conor might be able to finish him but even then, he would have to be economical and not go head hunting
                                the weight they are fighting at doesn't affect the body's ability to take a punch.
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                                • plekz
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                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                  The fact remains Chris still has better wrestling then Luke and is the better submission guy which always gives Chris Weidman a chance in this fight especially early on.. He was doing well grappling with Luke early in the first fight anyways.. I expect his cardio to be improved in this next go around...

                                  If I bet Chris it will not be for large this second go around I can tell you that PLEKS!!!
                                  I do not agree one bit that Weidman is the better submission guy, Luke's submission offense is easily better then Weidman, Rockhold is also more explosive which gives him good opportunitys when he works to get up or for sweeps (should he get taken down)

                                  Do not see Weidman in any way shape or form subbing Luke that's for sure, and even early he wasn't dominating in the grappling either. Weidman want to win this he does it on the feet, to exploit the fact that Luke pretty much exclusively only throws singles on the feet he very rarely (almost never) throws more then single strikes.

                                  Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                                  the weight they are fighting at doesn't affect the body's ability to take a punch.
                                  Are you retarded? The dyhidration process involved with making weight means that there in alot of cases will be less protective fluid around the brain @ fight time, simply due to that it's impossible for the body to get back to 100% after a weight cut.

                                  Same goes with recovery rates which ties in to your bodies ability to handle damage, which also goes down if you have dehydrated yourself recently.

                                  Seriously, with no respect what so ever, shut the fck up.
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                                  • brooks85
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                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by Deceptakhan
                                    If Conor loses 2 in a row, it'll be pretty disastrous for his legacy, and for what..... Bad bad move
                                    a lot safer than rematching a guy who he has a fluke win over or edgar. If they did conor/aldo or edgar at 200, not only could conor lose but UFC loses an event to make for his belt at the same time.
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                                    • JoshKnows46
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                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by plekz
                                      I do not agree one bit that Weidman is the better submission guy, Luke's submission offense is easily better then Weidman, Rockhold is also more explosive which gives him good opportunitys when he works to get up or for sweeps (should he get taken down)

                                      Do not see Weidman in any way shape or form subbing Luke that's for sure, and even early he wasn't dominating in the grappling either. Weidman want to win this he does it on the feet, to exploit the fact that Luke pretty much exclusively only throws singles on the feet he very rarely (almost never) throws more then single strikes.



                                      Are you retarded? The dyhidration process involved with making weight means that there in alot of cases will be less protective fluid around the brain @ fight time, simply due to that it's impossible for the body to get back to 100% after a weight cut.

                                      Same goes with recovery rates which ties in to your bodies ability to handle damage, which also goes down if you have dehydrated yourself recently.

                                      Seriously, with no respect what so ever, shut the fck up.
                                      what a fukin moron, you tie a 155 pounder down in a chair and a 205 pounder in a chair, and deliver the same blow, it results in the same trauma, diaz or mcgrgegor both have no problems cutting weight and rehydrating, you simple fuk, the extra fluid is too insignificant to mention, it will not result in any less ability to take a punch.
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                                      • JIBBBY
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                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by plekz
                                        I do not agree one bit that Weidman is the better submission guy, Luke's submission offense is easily better then Weidman, Rockhold is also more explosive which gives him good opportunitys when he works to get up or for sweeps (should he get taken down)

                                        Do not see Weidman in any way shape or form subbing Luke that's for sure, and even early he wasn't dominating in the grappling either. Weidman want to win this he does it on the feet, to exploit the fact that Luke pretty much exclusively only throws singles on the feet he very rarely (almost never) throws more then single strikes.
                                        I remember Chris Weidman taking the back of Luke early on and threatening with the RN.. Do you not remember that happening early on after Chris Weidman got the early take down against the cage.. Luke could easily win the second fight though so I'm not gonna disagree with your MMA logic Plekz on this fight..

                                        I do know Weidman will be more motivated, trained up and more mentally prepared this second go around.. Defending the belt is always harder then winning the belt so the story goes for Luke..
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                                        • JoshKnows46
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                                          #21
                                          Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                          I remember Chris Weidman taking the back of Luke early on and threatening with the RN.. Do you not remember that happening early on after Chris Weidman got the early take down against the cage.. Luke could easily win the second fight though so I'm not gonna disagree with your MMA logic Plekz on this fight..

                                          I do know Weidman will be more motivated, trained up and more mentally prepared this second go around.. Defending the belt is always harder then winning the belt so the story goes for Luke..
                                          its over quicker then last time, would be shocked if the chris gets out the 2nd.
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                                          • plekz
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                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                                            what a fukin moron, you tie a 155 pounder down in a chair and a 205 pounder in a chair, and deliver the same blow, it results in the same trauma
                                            No it doesn't. Nor would you ever be able to replicate the ''same blow'' either you 'simple fuk'
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                                            • JoshKnows46
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                                              #23
                                              Originally posted by plekz
                                              No it doesn't. Nor would you ever be able to replicate the ''same blow'' either you 'simple fuk'
                                              yes it does.
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                                              • JoshKnows46
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                                                #24
                                                plekz arent you the same person that told me both latifi and nunes would both get dominated and lose a dec, you don't know shit, you said nunes and latifi needed to win by ko to win, and i argued with you about your ignorance on the subject for multiple pages, and told you both were locks,and there opps had no path to victory, you're a fukin idiot....just stop embarrassing yourself...so far you've been here for 2 weeks, and have yet to be right about anything...
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                                                • Sato
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                                                  #25
                                                  If it ever happens...the main question here is how much better is Conor going to be in the rematch? Was he hurt? Didnt he work enough on his cardio? The only thing thats going to change is that hes not underestimating Nate again. Nates advantages are still there but Ill tell you this; I could see Conor outpointing Nate for a smooth decision victory because he sees all the openings as we saw the first go around. He smoked Nate really good until his gastank failed him. He actually won almost every exchange. If you rewatch that fight you could see Conor unloading permanently until that moment in the second round where he wasnt able to dance around Nate anymore...his legs were gone and he got smoked by a right hand shot.

                                                  Its one of those fights where the better skilled standup fighter needs to show more fight IQ and pick his shots.
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                                                  • plekz
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                                                    #26
                                                    Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                                                    yes it does.
                                                    No it doesn't and it should be obvious why to anyone with more then 5 iq and a basic understanding of how physics work. And it's laughable how you claim they had no 'path' to victory considering how the fights played out, Nunes gassed like crazy and didn't look anything like a ''lock'' in that fight. Nor were she even close to finishing at any point, in fact the most significant blow of the fight was caused by the fighter you called ''pillow fisted''
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                                                    • JIBBBY
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                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                                                      its over quicker then last time, would be shocked if the chris gets out the 2nd.
                                                      I don't know about that Josh? Bold statement..

                                                      I could see Weidman gassing again but not get put away in the first round.. Come on now let's not get silly with our predictions now!!!!
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                                                      • JoshKnows46
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                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by plekz
                                                        No it doesn't and it should be obvious why to anyone with more then 5 iq and a basic understanding of how physics work. And it's laughable how you claim they had no 'path' to victory considering how the fights played out, Nunes gassed like crazy and didn't look anything like a ''lock'' in that fight. Nor were she even close to finishing at any point, in fact the most significant blow of the fight was caused by the fighter you called ''pillow fisted''
                                                        I won money, you lost, you were wrong and i was right, I know what i'm talking about, you don't, you stick around long enough, it wont be the last time that happens, you'll have many more chances to show how stupid you are, want to disagree with any of my bets this event?, give me more ammo, FEED ME....lol
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                                                        • JoshKnows46
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                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by JIBBBY
                                                          I don't know about that Josh? Bold statement..

                                                          I could see Weidman gassing again but not get put away in the first round.. Come on now let's not get silly with our predictions now!!!!
                                                          maybe he survives the first, becuase hes tough, but he doesn't survive the second, as i said before the 1st fight, rockhold is more skilled in every area, and is a lock.
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                                                          • JoshKnows46
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                                                            #30
                                                            plek look at my bets, and tell me which ones you disagree with, so i can add a unit to each. thanks in advance man, you're a big help...
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                                                            • plekz
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                                                              #31
                                                              Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                                                              I won money, you lost, you were wrong and i was right, I know what i'm talking about, you don't, you stick around long enough, it wont be the last time that happens, you'll have many more chances to show how stupid you are, wont to disagree with any of my bets this event?, give me more ammo....lol

                                                              I had no money riding on the fights in question, as i do not bet money on fighters who have severe flaws that can cause them to lose, same deal with the Latifi fight most sig strike was landed by Gian, but he didn't realize just how hurt Latifi was at that point.

                                                              And tonights card screams small stakes all the way since there is not a single stellar fighter on the entire card. And it's about how you 'capped' the fights you troglodyte, and you called both those fighters 'locks' and then had not one but both fights reflecting very clearly that they were nowhere near any 'locks'

                                                              You go back and read my breakdown of how Gustafsson v Jones was going to go, or Condit v Kampmann, McDonald v Torres or Lauzon v Danis, Lister v Barnett, Cain v JDS 2, Pettis v Bendo (and i could go on, but that's just a few examples of fights iv'e called to a T, and iv'e ofc gotten fights wrong aswell Cain v Werdum for instance, RDA v Pettis, and that's all part of the game)

                                                              That's examples of how you cap and call fights, not just throwing 15 props bet out on the board and hope one of them hits. As for the fights you are jammering on about, did you get the correct result in the end? YES did the result in any way shape or form reflect how you yourself saw the fights go? NO not even close.


                                                              Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                                                              maybe he survives the first, becuase hes tough, but he doesn't survive the second, as i said before the 1st fight, rockhold is more skilled in every area, and is a lock.
                                                              Rockhold is the inferior boxer, he has worse footwork, his offensive wrestling is atleast a couple of notches below Weidman (and i could list more)

                                                              But again you do not know what the fk you are talking about.
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                                                              • JoshKnows46
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                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by plekz
                                                                I had no money riding on the fights in question, as i do not bet money on fighters who have severe flaws that can cause them to lose, same deal with the Latifi fight most sig strike was landed by Gian, but he didn't realize just how hurt Latifi was at that point.

                                                                And tonights card screams small stakes all the way since there is not a single stellar fighter on the entire card. And it's about how you 'capped' the fights you troglodyte, and you called both those fighters 'locks' and then had not one but both fights reflecting very clearly that they were nowhere near any 'locks'

                                                                You go back and read my breakdown of how Gustafsson v Jones was going to go, or Condit v Kampmann, McDonald v Torres or Lauzon v Danis, Lister v Barnett, Cain v JDS 2, Pettis v Bendo (and i could go on, but that's just a few examples of fights iv'e called to a T, and iv'e ofc gotten fights wrong aswell Cain v Werdum for instance, RDA v Pettis, and that's all part of the game)

                                                                That's examples of how you cap and call fights, not just throwing 15 props bet out on the board and hope one of them hits. As for the fights you are jammering on about, did you get the correct result in the end? YES did the result in any way shape or form reflect how you yourself saw the fights go? NO not even close.

                                                                DIDN'T READ

                                                                you gonna give me some more fades or you gonna waste my time... make it snappy bitch.
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                                                                • plekz
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                                                                  #33
                                                                  You haven't been able to retort a single thing presented to you in an intelligent manner, and going by your photos you seem to be if not already in then atleast near your 30's, that just paints you as even more of a tired old cliché

                                                                  You are at the point where you should really start going the jpg route or just copy & paste 'i am rubber, you are glue' for every post you make.
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                                                                  • JoshKnows46
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                                                                    #34
                                                                    Originally posted by plekz
                                                                    You haven't been able to retort a single thing presented to you in an intelligent manner, and going by your photos you seem to be if not already in then atleast near your 30's, that just paints you as even more of a tired old cliché

                                                                    You are at the point where you should really start going the jpg route or just copy & paste 'i am rubber, you are glue' for every post you make.
                                                                    Didn't read that either.

                                                                    Time is money, Bitch.
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                                                                    • plekz
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                                                                      #35
                                                                      Originally posted by JoshKnows46
                                                                      Didn't read that either.

                                                                      Time is money, Bitch.
                                                                      Yeah my bad, i forgot you so washed up that you actually need this as a ''steady income'' So, not book smart, couldn't hack it playing sports and even managed to fail as a powerlifter. What's it like not even being able to amount to any success in something as trivial as lifting a piece of metall?
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