Bellator 149: Shamrock vs. Gracie 3 (February 19, 2016)

[JIBBBY]

Props are out, any ideas fellas? I got a few.... Highlighted below..

<small>Royce Gracie vs Ken Shamrock - Heavyweight 3 rounds - Bellator 149</small>
Fri 2/19		3003 Gracie / Shamrock goes 3 round distance		<input id="radiox" value="M1_0" name="radiox" type="radio">+240
11:00PM		3004 Fight won’t go 3 round distance		<input id="radiox" value="M2_0" name="radiox" type="radio">-320
Fri 2/19		3005 Gracie wins inside distance		<input id="radiox" value="M1_1" name="radiox" type="radio">+125
11:00PM		3006 Not Gracie inside distance		<input id="radiox" value="M2_1" name="radiox" type="radio">-165
Fri 2/19		3007 Gracie wins by 3 round decision		<input id="radiox" value="M1_2" name="radiox" type="radio">+790
11:00PM		3008 Not Gracie by 3 round decision		<input id="radiox" value="M2_2" name="radiox" type="radio">-1660
Fri 2/19		3009 Shamrock wins inside distance		<input id="radiox" value="M1_3" name="radiox" type="radio">+175
11:00PM		3010 Not Shamrock inside distance		<input id="radiox" value="M2_3" name="radiox" type="radio">-245
Fri 2/19		3011 Shamrock wins by 3 round decision		<input id="radiox" value="M1_4" name="radiox" type="radio">+350
11:00PM		3012 Not Shamrock by 3 round decision		<input id="radiox" value="M2_4" name="radiox" type="radio">-530
Fri 2/19		3013 Gracie / Shamrock draw		<input id="radiox" value="M1_5" name="radiox" type="radio">+18500
11:00PM		3014 Fight not a draw		<input id="radiox" value="M2_5" name="radiox" type="radio">-55500
<small>Dhafir Harris vs Kimbo Slice - Heavyweight 3 rounds - Bellator 149</small>
Fri 2/19		3103 Harris / Slice goes 3 round distance		<input id="radiox" value="M1_6" name="radiox" type="radio">+1000
10:30PM		3104 Fight won’t go 3 round distance		<input id="radiox" value="M2_6" name="radiox" type="radio">-2000
Fri 2/19		3105 Harris wins inside distance		<input id="radiox" value="M1_7" name="radiox" type="radio">+335
10:30PM		3106 Not Harris inside distance		<input id="radiox" value="M2_7" name="radiox" type="radio">-505
Fri 2/19		3107 Harris wins by 3 round decision		<input id="radiox" value="M1_8" name="radiox" type="radio">+4000
10:30PM		3108 Not Harris by 3 round decision		<input id="radiox" value="M2_8" name="radiox" type="radio">-16000
Fri 2/19		3109 Slice wins inside distance		<input id="radiox" value="M1_9" name="radiox" type="radio">-340
10:30PM		3110 Not Slice inside distance		<input id="radiox" value="M2_9" name="radiox" type="radio">+247
Fri 2/19		3111 Slice wins by 3 round decision		<input id="radiox" value="M1_10" name="radiox" type="radio">+1175
10:30PM		3112 Not Slice by 3 round decision		<input id="radiox" value="M2_10" name="radiox" type="radio">-2525
Fri 2/19		3113 Harris / Slice draw		<input id="radiox" value="M1_11" name="radiox" type="radio">+35000
10:30PM		3114 Fight not a draw		<input id="radiox" value="M2_11" name="radiox" type="radio">-105000
<small>Linton Vassell vs Emanuel Newton - Light Heavyweight 3 rounds - Bellator 149</small>
Fri 2/19		3203 Vassell / Newton goes 3 round distance		<input id="radiox" value="M1_12" name="radiox" type="radio">-195
10:00PM		3204 Fight won’t go 3 round distance		<input id="radiox" value="M2_12" name="radiox" type="radio">+155
Fri 2/19		3205 Vassell wins inside distance		<input id="radiox" value="M1_13" name="radiox" type="radio">+430
10:00PM		3206 Not Vassell inside distance		<input id="radiox" value="M2_13" name="radiox" type="radio">-690
Fri 2/19		3207 Vassell wins by 3 round decision		<input id="radiox" value="M1_14" name="radiox" type="radio">+180
10:00PM		3208 Not Vassell by 3 round decision		<input id="radiox" value="M2_14" name="radiox" type="radio">-260
Fri 2/19		3209 Newton wins inside distance		<input id="radiox" value="M1_15" name="radiox" type="radio">+310
10:00PM		3210 Not Newton inside distance		<input id="radiox" value="M2_15" name="radiox" type="radio">-430
Fri 2/19		3211 Newton wins by 3 round decision		<input id="radiox" value="M1_16" name="radiox" type="radio">+175
10:00PM		3212 Not Newton by 3 round decision		<input id="radiox" value="M2_16" name="radiox" type="radio">-245
Fri 2/19		3213 Vassell / Newton draw		<input id="radiox" value="M1_17" name="radiox" type="radio">+15000
10:00PM		3214 Fight not a draw		<input id="radiox" value="M2_17" name="radiox" type="radio">-45000
<small>Derek Campos vs Melvin Guillard - Lightweight 3 rounds - Bellator 149</small>
Fri 2/19		3303 Campos / Guillard goes 3 round distance		<input id="radiox" value="M1_18" name="radiox" type="radio">+140
9:00PM		3304 Fight won’t go 3 round distance		<input id="radiox" value="M2_18" name="radiox" type="radio">-180
Fri 2/19		3305 Campos wins inside distance		<input id="radiox" value="M1_19" name="radiox" type="radio">+581
9:00PM		3306 Not Campos inside distance		<input id="radiox" value="M2_19" name="radiox" type="radio">-1142
Fri 2/19		3307 Campos wins by 3 round decision		<input id="radiox" value="M1_20" name="radiox" type="radio">+370
9:00PM		3308 Not Campos by 3 round decision		<input id="radiox" value="M2_20" name="radiox" type="radio">-560
Fri 2/19		3309 Guillard wins inside distance		<input id="radiox" value="M1_21" name="radiox" type="radio">-125
9:00PM		3310 Not Guillard inside distance		<input id="radiox" value="M2_21" name="radiox" type="radio">-115
Fri 2/19		3311 Guillard wins by 3 round decision		<input id="radiox" value="M1_22" name="radiox" type="radio">+319
9:00PM		3312 Not Guillard by 3 round decision		<input id="radiox" value="M2_22" name="radiox" type="radio">-455
Fri 2/19		3313 Campos / Guillard draw		<input id="radiox" value="M1_23" name="radiox" type="radio">+18500
9:00PM		3314 Fight not a draw		<input id="radiox" value="M2_23" name="radiox" type="radio">-55500

[JIBBBY]

<small>Daniel Pineda vs Emmanuel Sanchez - Featherweight 3 rounds - Bellator 149</small>
Fri 2/19		3403 Pineda / Sanchez goes 3 round distance		<input id="radiox" value="M1_24" name="radiox" type="radio">-165
9:30PM		3404 Fight won’t go 3 round distance		<input id="radiox" value="M2_24" name="radiox" type="radio">+125
Fri 2/19		3405 Pineda wins inside distance		<input id="radiox" value="M1_25" name="radiox" type="radio">+315
9:30PM		3406 Not Pineda inside distance		<input id="radiox" value="M2_25" name="radiox" type="radio">-445
Fri 2/19		3407 Pineda wins by 3 round decision		<input id="radiox" value="M1_26" name="radiox" type="radio">+280
9:30PM		3408 Not Pineda by 3 round decision		<input id="radiox" value="M2_26" name="radiox" type="radio">-400
Fri 2/19		3409 Sanchez wins inside distance		<input id="radiox" value="M1_27" name="radiox" type="radio">+325
9:30PM		3410 Not Sanchez inside distance		<input id="radiox" value="M2_27" name="radiox" type="radio">-475
Fri 2/19		3411 Sanchez wins by 3 round decision		<input id="radiox" value="M1_28" name="radiox" type="radio">+155
9:30PM		3412 Not Sanchez by 3 round decision		<input id="radiox" value="M2_28" name="radiox" type="radio">-195
Fri 2/19		3413 Pineda / Sanchez draw		<input id="radiox" value="M1_29" name="radiox" type="radio">+15500
9:30PM		3414 Fight not a draw		<input id="radiox" value="M2_29" name="radiox" type="radio">-46500

[dww123]

3003 Gracie / Shamrock goes 3 round distance +240

This is about as good as a +240 you will find. Gracie has never submitted anyone in mma who knew even a little about BJJ in his entire career. Decent kicks but no power. No boxing. He does, however, have a very good defensive guard and good stamina and has only been tko'd once in his career by a prime matt hughes. Sure he's fighting to pay off the IRS but the Gracie's are a proud lot. He won't just quit. But there's nothing he can really do to Shamrock either. I see a lot of clinching with Shamrock getting the better of it because of the strength/juice advantage. Maybe a takedown or 2 if his hips can even get low enough anymore. Gracie may even pull guard which will do nothing but kill more time. Lays on him to take the first 2 rounds. 3 rd round will be gross. Maybe Royce will get on top by way of Shamrock fatigue but still won't be able to mount any offense. Shamrock wins 29-28 on all 3 score cards.

[JIBBBY]

^^ If that fight goes the distance I won't post for a month... No way those 50 year olds make it 3 rounds..

[JIBBBY]

I cant believe this historic fight card is so near.

You mean pre-historic fight..


Weigh ins live feed video - Am curious to see what kind of a weight advantage Ken will have on Royce..

[Bill Dozer]

The last time Shamrock fought Gracie, Hakeem played against Horace Grant in the NBA finals. The only way this is watchable is if you bet it IMO.

[JoshKnows46]

^^ If that fight goes the distance I won't post for a month... No way those 50 year olds make it 3 rounds..

Why? Both guys have 2 kos combined between them, and both can defend a sub, I'm not betting the fight but it could easily go the distance.

[mirinquads]

^^ If that fight goes the distance I won't post for a month... No way those 50 year olds make it 3 rounds..

Man jibbby, I usually stick up for you, but you have sucked lately. This fight goes the distance a lot of the time, neither man has ANY offense, and they will likely lay in each others guard, and hug and heel kick each others spleens like the second time. And first time I believe.

I'm going to hold you to that post, btw.

[JoshKnows46]

Man jibbby, I usually stick up for you, but you have sucked lately. This fight goes the distance a lot of the time, neither man has ANY offense, and they will likely lay in each others guard, and hug and heel kick each others spleens like the second time. And first time I believe.

I'm going to hold you to that post, btw.

He has to be running low on cash, its a easy out, the month off would be a blessing for him.

[JIBBBY]

^^^My prop plays have been stellar lately please, read the event threads.. Superbowl loss I did bomb out on but I also hedged that thanks to Tpow's suggestion... So that doesn't count..

As far as these 2 old farts going the distance - Shamrock and Gracie would have gone the distance 20 years ago and did.. Today not a chance.. Dream on Miri and Josh as one will get injured or look for an early exit... Ken Shamrock didn't make a minute with Kimbo in his last fight.. Same happens here.. No telling what happens with Royce Gracie, he could just get injured and quit or get knocked out.. Didn't Matt Hughs destroy Royce Gracie and basically break his arm like 10 years ago in round 1? Royce Gracie got crushed in that fight.. Royce Gracie hasn't even fought in 10 years and he's 50 years old now.. This is laughable....

Please fellas... Understand the situation... This is nothing more then a payday for both fighters.. Getting out uninjured will be the biggest concern for both, Gracie has kids and a family now to think about, Ken Shamrock is like Phil Baroni but worse as he'll try for 30 seconds, gas out and quit....

Oh and I'm far from broke fellas.. Infact, I'm rich biitch!!! Miri you know this.. Millionaire several times over.. I'm retired and don't even need to work.. Gambling is basically a fun hobby for me... These are the facts and they are undisputed.. Don't like to brag though.. Life is good for Jibs..

[mirinquads]

Yes, Gracie certainly have the finishing power of Kimbo penetrating slice. Did you see that video of him hitting pads? He will take shammy's head off with the quickness.

John, you really want me to go back and dig up those lies you told like last time? Anyway, if you are infact so Rich, you should be betting way more, except ofcourse if you have no confidence in your picks? Hmm...

[TPowell]

I'm torn. I think Jibby is right that we could get an injury TKO but I think at +250 or do, you have to play it going the distance. This shit just doesn't seem playable to me

[JoshKnows46]

I'm torn. I think Jibby is right that we could get an injury TKO but I think at +250 or do, you have to play it going the distance. This shit just doesn't seem playable to me

How do you get injuried laying in another man's guard?

[JIBBBY]

Yes, Gracie certainly have the finishing power of Kimbo penetrating slice. Did you see that video of him hitting pads? He will take shammy's head off with the quickness.

John, you really want me to go back and dig up those lies you told like last time? Anyway, if you are infact so Rich, you should be betting way more, except ofcourse if you have no confidence in your picks? Hmm...

You don't get rich by throwing around money Miri, something you haven't learned yet.. You do get rich by investing the money you make and then making that money work for you in the future.. Then at some point you don't have to work for money anymore in the real world as you just sit back and get checks sent to you monthly and or weekly in the mail.. You then retire like me and enjoy life at age 47...

I always have bet in the hundreds and I always will Miri. There are limits also at the books ya bone head especially with prop betting and futures which you should already know.... I don't get carried away with my gambling and never have.. My goal has always been to win 1000's betting with 100's and not betting 1000's to win just 100's like some of you fools do in this section.... Betting -300 favorites.. I wanna shot some people when I see this...

What lies have you ever caught me in Miri on this forum? Did i lie when I spanked Nunya's ass in a month long gambling contest and half his troll followers on this forum when everyone thought they were a better gambler then me? Did I lie about anything when I was Doxxed like no one else on this forum also about my properties and other stuff? The answer is NO...

[JIBBBY]

I'm torn. I think Jibby is right that we could get an injury TKO but I think at +250 or do, you have to play it going the distance. This shit just doesn't seem playable to me

I am right.. 50 year olds will get injured or quit even rolling on the ground.. These guys don't even know how to take a punch or lay and pray for 3 rounds anymore.. I didn't even see them sparring.. Ken was splashing around in a pool.. Royce was taking a nap on mat with his gi on..

This fight doesn't get out of the 1st round.. This fight is a joke..

[JoshKnows46]

I am right.. 50 year olds will get injured or quit even rolling on the ground.. These guys don't even know how to take a punch or lay and pray for 3 rounds anymore.. I didn't even see them sparring.. Ken was splashing around in a pool.. Royce was taking a nap on mat with his gi on..

This fight doesn't get out of the 1st round.. This fight is a joke..

Jibby you'd probable get injuried getting out your lazy boy, these are active old men.

[JIBBBY]

Gracie came in at 190 and Shamrock at 201..

Dada with a 33 pound weight advantage over Kimbo is eye opening for sure..

Official Results -

Bellator 149 Weigh-in Results:
Ken Shamrock (201.2) vs. Royce Gracie (190.8)
Kevin Ferguson (232) vs. Dhafir “Dada 5000” Harris (265)
Daniel Pineda (148.2) vs. Emmanuel Sanchez (149.2) [catchweight]
Melvin Guillard (*158) vs. Derek Campos (155)
Emanuel Newton (205) vs. Linton Vassell (205.4)
Justin Wren (247) vs. Juan Torres (259.8)
Richard Knepp (184.4) vs. Isaac Villanueva (185.8)
Ryan Hollis (134.8) vs. Adrian Yanez (134.6)
Anthony Ivy (154) vs. Jason Langellier (*158.4)
Jeremy Mahon (144.4) vs. Davis Sylvester (144.2)
Joe Angel Zamora (129.4) vs. Mike Trinh (128.8) [catchweight]
Clovis Hancock (185.6) vs. Ruben Esparsa (184.2)
Jake Norsworthy (141.8) vs. Manny Lozoya (142) [catchweight]

[JIBBBY]

Double post..

[Ultimatemeatball]

I'm torn. I think Jibby is right that we could get an injury TKO but I think at +250 or do, you have to play it going the distance. This shit just doesn't seem playable to me

The big difference between their fights in the early 90's and today is that the ref will stand them up more often. I see no way these guys have the gas tank to go 15 minutes at 50 years of age. -300 now is shocking. Thought it would head the other way.

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

[JIBBBY]

The big difference between their fights in the early 90's and today is that the ref will stand them up more often. I see no way these guys have the gas tank to go 15 minutes at 50 years of age. -300 now is shocking. Thought it would head the other way.

A man that finally understands the concept of being 50 years old in a young mans sport...

Ken Shamrock I know can't go the distance at 52 years old carrying around all that juiced up muscle weight.. Grappling is very taxing on the cardio so if it goes to the ground Ken will be done after a round even if he's just laying on top of Gracie and breathing hard.. Punching is the same after a few flurry bursts.. Gracie not far behind Ken I'm sure.. Refs will stand them up if nothing is happening which is a great point!!!

Unless it's fixed and they both discussed how to play out this fight safetly and carefully I certainly don't see this bout getting past a round and half.. No chance of it going the distance!! NO WAY!!!

[Unwritten Law]

A bit surprised to see Royce tip the scale at 190 as he claimed to be at 180. I can see two scenarios of one trying to pull a shocker on one another.

1. Shamrock will submit Royce.
2. Royce will try to KO Shamrock.

I'm going with Ken.

[JIBBBY]

If I were Shamrock at 52 years of age I'd keep the fight standing, close the distance and just try to knock out the smaller man. He's not fighting big Kimbo with the heavy hands, he's fighting Royce Gracie with those skinny little arms...

I'd blow my wad and hope for the best throwing down, if tired, fake a trip or knock down when gassed out, let Gracie take the back, get choked out get paid and go home.. This is how a 50 year old might think in Kens shoes.. He's not gonna take anymore fights after this probably regardless. It's a payday that's all..

I wouldn't be shocked if this fight doesn't hit the ground and go into lay and pray mode..

[JIBBBY]

Big weight difference at weigh ins moving the lines..

<small>Bellator 149 - Heavyweight 3 rounds - Toyota Center - Houston, Texas - Spike TV </small>
Fri 2/19		3101 Dhafir Harris		<input id="radiox" value="M1_1" name="radiox" type="radio">+175	<input id="radiox" value="L1_1" name="radiox" type="radio">o1½ +375
10:30PM		3102 Kimbo Slice		<input id="radiox" value="M2_1" name="radiox" type="radio">-210	<input id="radiox" value="L2_1" name="radiox" type="radio">u1½ -470

[MMA_Oracle]

i dont think it was the weigh ins that caused it. check this dude's twitter history regarding the fight...

https://twitter.com/bokamotoESPN?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

[JIBBBY]

^ More then just weigh ins it's looking like.... Bovada just closed off the betting on that fight.. Something is certainly up and fishy...

I'm a no play on that fight but I'm still interested to see what's going on???.. Not sure I've ever seen this kind of line movement.. Is Kimbo throwing the fight, paid off maybe or injured? That's what comes to mind...

[TPowell]

^ More then just weigh ins it's looking like.... Bovada just closed off the betting on that fight.. Something is certainly up and fishy...

I'm a no play on that fight but I'm still interested to see what's going on???.. Not sure I've ever seen this kind of line movement.. Is Kimbo throwing the fight, paid off maybe or injured? That's what comes to mind...

I'd bet he's injured in some way knowing these 2 guys

[MMA_Oracle]

there was similar movement in a UFC event in China recently but there was no shady business during the fight. the big favorite ended up winning even though his line dropped massively. weren't dada and kimbo friends at one point? i hate to speculate a fix but if this line is gonna drop to evens like it did in vegas, im gonna put some money on Dada right now

[JIBBBY]

there was similar movement in a UFC event in China recently but there was no shady business during the fight. the big favorite ended up winning even though his line dropped massively. weren't dada and kimbo friends at one point? i hate to speculate a fix but if this line is gonna drop to evens like it did in vegas, im gonna put some money on Dada right now

Washed up older guys that need money and are basically out of the sport, hmm? Ghetto's guys also.. Wouldn't put it past them and rule it out..

[MMA_Oracle]

lol very word

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

i dont think it was the weigh ins that caused it. check this dude's twitter history regarding the fight...

https://twitter.com/bokamotoESPN?ref...Ctwgr%5Eauthor

interesting......

this shiit is gonna get very greasy!

[JIBBBY]

If you're gonna fix a fight it's gonna be with the underdog.. This is all I know for right now.. Dropping still..

<small>Bellator 149 - Heavyweight 3 rounds - Toyota Center - Houston, Texas - Spike TV </small>
Fri 2/19		3101 Dhafir Harris		<input id="radiox" value="M1_1" name="radiox" type="radio">+170	<input id="radiox" value="L1_1" name="radiox" type="radio">o1½ +375
10:30PM		3102 Kimbo Slice		<input id="radiox" value="M2_1" name="radiox" type="radio">-200	<input id="radiox" value="L2_1" name="radiox" type="radio">u1½ -470

[JIBBBY]

I did the dirty deed - Guilty as charged!!!

$100.00

$335.00

Pending

2/19/16 10:30pm MMA Props Fighting 3105 Harris wins inside distance +335* <small>vs</small> Not Harris inside distance

[TPowell]

My question is how quick/who came in on Kimbo to get the number back over -200

[JIBBBY]

My question is how quick/who came in on Kimbo to get the number back over -200

Probably the general betting public seeing that reduced line..

Props are now off the board on the sportsbooks.. WOW!!! Something is certainly going on and a miss with this fight now!!!