The Ultimate Fighter 20 Finale (December 12, 2014)

[JIBBBY]

Agreed. Well rounded, hard to takedown and solid striking technique combined with power. Doubtful oliviera takes him down with much frequency. He definitely has the potential to outpoint him but i see him getting tagged and i think that will slow his output if it doesnt stop him. Advantage lies with stephens.

Maybe Mmaed.. Hope you're right for Stephens sake because I'm sure he doesn't want to go to the ground and deal with the guy in the video below...

Standing it isn't going to be much better for Stephens unless he lands the home run punch.. Gonna bet on that as a favorite? Wishing on a punch??? I'm not... I'll take the slight dog...

[Bumdeal]

Jib there's such a small margin between fav and dog here that I don't think it should influence your capping this much.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

The only impressive thing he did against Edgar was not get finished, IMO, but I'm not denying Oliveira is impressive. He certainly has a higher ceiling than Stephens, and I played him in this fight. It's JIBBBY's logic I take issue with.

Ha! Look Jibs! MD tailed you! You broke him down & he caved in to Jibbby logic!

[JIBBBY]

Ha! Look Jibs! MD tailed you! You broke him down & he caved in to Jibbby logic!

Lol...Ron tell me something I don't already know... MD posted several months ago that he hates to admit it but he tails me already in MMA..

That's why I find it funny that he would even want to kick me off this forum or ignore me... MD is a funny fella like that I guess?? A bit twisted and dark in the head perhaps.. He bites at the very hand that feeds him just like a rabid dog would.. Can't trust him.....

Thanks for pointing that out Ronster... I'm just surprised he hasn't logged on as Bava yet for forum back up.. This about the time he does that...

[JIBBBY]

Jib there's such a small margin between fav and dog here that I don't think it should influence your capping this much.

I know Bum as it's probably gonna be at even odds in the next few days if I had to guess.. I just bet a 100 bucks on Oliveira.. He could possibly get dropped standing but I'm thinking he has more ways to win this fight match up...

Had to roll with the slight dog at +110.. Moving on...

[MD]

Lol...Ron tell me something I don't already know... MD posted several months ago that he hates to admit it but he tails me already in MMA..

That's why I find it funny that he would even want to kick me off this forum or ignore me... MD is a funny fella like that I guess?? A bit twisted and dark in the head perhaps.. He bites at the very hand that feeds him just like a rabid dog would.. Can't trust him.....

Thanks for pointing that out Ronster... I'm just surprised he hasn't logged on as Bava yet for forum back up.. This about the time he does that...

[JIBBBY]

Joe Proctor at +210 is tempting right now as well... Yancy with an identical record shouldn't mean he's expected to win this fight at those odds.. Value going in me tinks on Proctor... http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Joe-Proctor-46307

This fight is more like a coin toss in my eyes though.. Yancy is a tough Hawaiian, never dropped, sneaky ground game and Proctor is a stand up fighter first.. Makes for a good fight if anything else.. At +210 I'm gonna give Proctor a shot in this one..

[Vaughany]

Jibbby doesn't discriminate contrary to popular belief on this site. He molests anything really. Event threads, farm animals, young girls or boys... juiced betting lines... Gambling theory...

lol

[marzwoody]

If you really believe that how much are you going to bet?I am 100% riding with my woman Seo-Hee.

How much are you betting on Ham? i will double it for JoJo

[whipton]

TUF 20 Plays
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Parlay: @Cruickshank155 (-190) x @RowdyBec (-200) 1 Unit for 1.3 Units


Parlay: @TeciaTorres (-600) x @DRkneevil (-530) x @aisydaly (-270) 2.5 Units for 2.3 Units


Parlay: Lisa Ellis/Felice Herrig Over 2½ (-260) x Angela Magana/Tecia Torres Over 2½ (-265) 2.5 Units for 2.3 Units


@JoeProctor (+170) 1.2 Units for 2 Units


@CharlesDoBronxs (+100) 2.5 Units for 2.5 Units


@whipthecapper

[JIBBBY]

Jib there's such a small margin between fav and dog here that I don't think it should influence your capping this much.

Further expanding -

It's sure alot more fun betting +110 rather then -110 when placing with $100 bucks.. It's like the bookie is now paying you the juice instead of the other way around..

I bet the fighter in Ole because I think he will find a way to beat Stephens and not because he's a slight favorite Bum.. If it was -125 for Ole I'd probably still be playing him straight.....

[JIBBBY]

None of these bitches deserve to be -200 or more no matter who they are fighting. Looks like another event where I will be heavy on dogs.

I'm hammering alot of dogs on this card as well..

[Skel]

http://www.mmaoddsbreaker.com/news/tuf-20-finale-newcomer-breakdown-seo-hee-ham/

[marzwoody]

So you think Oli's striking is better then Stephens Jibbeh?

[Bumdeal]

How much are you betting on Ham? i will double it for JoJo

.5 bitcoin is like 175 bucks

[JIBBBY]

So you think Oli's striking is better then Stephens Jibbeh?

I think his ground game is better then Stephens and I think he's a quicker and longer striker then Stephens..

[MD]

30-27 Esparza? What the fock?

[Vaughany]

I think his ground game is better then Stephens and I think he's a quicker and longer striker then Stephens..

definitely not longer elsewhere

[marzwoody]

Who else thinks Esparza might just wrestle fock Rose to win?

[Beelzebubzy]

Under for the title fight

[Beelzebubzy]

NVM line moved.

[NunyaBidness]

I have to disrespectfully disagree with your basic fighter comparisons... Remember MD you are more the gambler then a fan and or sport writer last we checked.. Which immediately puts you at a disadvantage when discussing these types of match ups with me.. Once again I need to further explain my reasoning to you MD.. Much like a child...

This is possibly the dumbest and funniest thing you've ever said.

You really think sports-writers are better at handicapping a fight than handicappers? Then why don't sportwriters gamble for a living and become handicappers? Does just changing their job title limit their abilities?

[JIBBBY]

^^ Thought you put me on your ignore list Nuns? I was getting worried for second there....

Always knew you would come back around again sooner or later, missed ya man...

[Beelzebubzy]

He can't ignore you. Its beneficial for him to see what you say so that he knows how the betting public thinks

[JIBBBY]

This is possibly the dumbest and funniest thing you've ever said.

You really think sports-writers are better at handicapping a fight than handicappers? Then why don't sportwriters gamble for a living and become handicappers? Does just changing their job title limit their abilities?

Keeping it real - I can only assume on average that handicappers/Pro Gamblers are not true fans of any one sport, it's just business as usual, gathering info, crunching data, stats, trends, tracking other successful gamblers picks, watching lines for value, reading the very articles sports writers write to arrive at a play...

Sports writers of MMA or any other one sport are on average TRUE fans of that sport, followed it closely for decades, understand the very in's and outs of the sport, have the ability to gather real fighter current information because it's their job to report on it, understand match ups and actually take the time to watch and enjoy mostly all the fights to then reflect back on in the future.. I don't think most Pro gamblers can boast they do that. They place the bets on numerous sports and check back the next morning with out even watching the games, they may watch the highlights.. Correct me if I'm wrong???

You even said Nunya you aren't really a fan of MMA... Did I misunderstand your post when you typed that out???

I say a gambler/capper is better at gambling and winning money, and a sports writer/true fan on a certain sport would be more knowledgeable about discussing and breaking down fights or games like I said in my original post above to MD... I'd like to think I'm a hybrid between both....

Is my post still stupid and funny Nuns? Always breaking stuff down for better clarity. All good...

[NunyaBidness]

^^ Thought you put me on your ignore list Nuns? I was getting worried for second there....

Always knew you would come back around again sooner or later, missed ya man...

I heard you went full retard, so I had to see for myself.

[NunyaBidness]

Is my post still stupid and funny Nuns?

Yep, as I stated before, I think you're the dumbest person I've ever met on the internet. No hyperbole.

[marzwoody]

Keeping it real - I can only assume on average that handicappers/Pro Gamblers are not true fans of any one sport, it's just business as usual, gathering info, crunching data, stats, trends, tracking other successful gamblers picks, watching lines for value, reading the very articles sports writers write to arrive at a play...

Sports writers of MMA or any other one sport are on average TRUE fans of that sport, followed it closely for decades, understand the very in's and outs of the sport, have the ability to gather real fighter current information because it's their job to report on it, understand match ups and actually take the time to watch and enjoy mostly all the fights to then reflect back on in the future.. I don't think most Pro gamblers can boast they do that. They place the bets on numerous sports and check back the next morning with out even watching the games, they may watch the highlights.. Correct me if I'm wrong???

You even said Nunya you aren't really a fan of MMA... Did I misunderstand your post when you typed that out???

I say a gambler/capper is better at gambling and winning money, and a sports writer/true fan on a certain sport would be more knowledgeable about discussing and breaking down fights or games like I said in my original post above to MD... I'd like to think I'm a hybrid between both....

Is my post still stupid and funny Nuns? Always breaking stuff down for better clarity. All good...

[marzwoody]

Are you really a sports writer Jibbeh? cereal question.

[Bumdeal]

Wtf? Esparza +140? Yes please. I thought she would be the favorite here. And Penne only -110? Wow

[THE_LOCKSMITH]

Doubt BookMaker will have Live betting for this card, everyone should email them to post live betting odds for these fights

[NunyaBidness]

Wtf? Esparza +140? Yes please. I thought she would be the favorite here. And Penne only -110? Wow

She opened as the favorite. A 5-rounder really favors Rose though.

[JIBBBY]

Yep, as I stated before, I think you're the dumbest person I've ever met on the internet. No hyperbole.

You're dumb drrrrr.. Reached back far to come up with that I see Nuns.. More child like behavior from a 38 years old man on SBR.. Just another day in Disneyland I see... Lol...


Nuns get back to winning bets as I like ya better when you aren't stressed like this.. I threw you a bone on your personal thread to cheer ya up, check...

[Bava]

Joe Proctor at +210 is tempting right now as well... Yancy with an identical record shouldn't mean he's expected to win this fight at those odds.. Value going in me tinks on Proctor... http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Joe-Proctor-46307

This fight is more like a coin toss in my eyes though.. Yancy is a tough Hawaiian, never dropped, sneaky ground game and Proctor is a stand up fighter first.. Makes for a good fight if anything else.. At +210 I'm gonna give Proctor a shot in this one..

Wha??

[JIBBBY]

Wha??

MD what's up?.. Joe Proctor is a ground guy too.. Solid wrestling... However he has improved his striking lately, just watch his last two fights.. Capable of getting the KO's standing...

2012 highlight vid below of Proctor.. All I could find on youtube.. Solid fighter standing or on the ground... Yancy is in for a battle going into this one that's for sure....