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  • Sacrelicious
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 11-29-12
    • 5984

    #141
    Originally posted by marzwoody
    you're the best poster on here, never change.
    fify.
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    • Wilbo86
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 01-22-14
      • 753

      #142
      Wins

      +0.59 units: Cruickshank (-170) & Torres (-600) — parlay at -117
      *This parlay was originally risking 3.51 unit to win 3.00 but Cruichank’s fight resulted in a No Contest. That turned the parlay into a straight bet on Torres risking the same 3.51 units but to only win 0.59. Cruickshank was handily winning his fight at the time he was eye poked, so this No Contest turned what would have been winning event into a losing one.


      Losses

      -2.30 units: Jeremy Stephens — straight at -115

      Even his "best documented track record" sounds like some kind of large sea mammal on its period. Lost on other 3 units this last weekend, apparently still hasn't figured out that parlaying this biggest favorites on a card isn't an automatic winnerz strategy
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      • marzwoody
        SBR MVP
        • 01-03-14
        • 3902

        #143
        Originally posted by Wilbo86
        Wins

        +0.59 units: Cruickshank (-170) & Torres (-600) — parlay at -117
        *This parlay was originally risking 3.51 unit to win 3.00 but Cruichank’s fight resulted in a No Contest. That turned the parlay into a straight bet on Torres risking the same 3.51 units but to only win 0.59. Cruickshank was handily winning his fight at the time he was eye poked, so this No Contest turned what would have been winning event into a losing one.


        Losses

        -2.30 units: Jeremy Stephens — straight at -115

        Even his "best documented track record" sounds like some kind of large sea mammal on its period. Lost on other 3 units this last weekend, apparently still hasn't figured out that parlaying this biggest favorites on a card isn't an automatic winnerz strategy
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        • Ron_Paul_2012
          SBR MVP
          • 01-31-13
          • 3953

          #144
          Class action lawsuit against the UFC! The press conference begins at 4 PM Eastern.


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          • marzwoody
            SBR MVP
            • 01-03-14
            • 3902

            #145
            Originally posted by Ron_Paul_2012
            Class action lawsuit against the UFC! The press conference begins at 4 PM Eastern.


            http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/news...-at-400-pm-ET/
            3 bitter fighters with failing careers trying to milk money out of the UFC. not surprising really.
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            • Ron_Paul_2012
              SBR MVP
              • 01-31-13
              • 3953

              #146
              Originally posted by marzwoody
              3 bitter fighters with failing careers trying to milk money out of the UFC. not surprising really.
              In addition to the fighters, the law firms were also named:
              •Joseph Saveri Law Firm, Inc (previously brought antitrust case against Apple, Google, Adobe);
              •Cohen Milstein Sellers & Toll, PLLC (previously brought cases against Dow Chemical and Countrywide Financial Corporation); and,
              •Berger & Montague, P.C.

              These are some heavy hitters
              marz. This is no joke. The bottom line for me is that all the guys in the UFC that break their backs for our entertainment make more money. Very interesting that neither Rampage or Tito are part of this.
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              • marzwoody
                SBR MVP
                • 01-03-14
                • 3902

                #147
                Yeah i agree man. i remember Cat Zingano getting paid something like 8,000 for her last win. fighter pay is a disgrace.
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                • MD
                  SBR Hall of Famer
                  • 01-31-12
                  • 9728

                  #148
                  Originally posted by marzwoody
                  3 bitter fighters with failing careers trying to milk money out of the UFC. not surprising really.
                  Why do so many dumb MMA fans have a problem with fighters trying to earn what they're worth? Are you honestly telling me that if you're Cung Le, whose career was permanently tarnished by a botched drug test conducted on behalf of the UFC, or Jon Fitch, who was underpaid throughout his career and potentially illegally stripped of the rights to his own focking likeness, that you wouldn't file a lawsuit against them? Even if you were likely to win?

                  The UFC is putting uniforms on what are supposedly "independent contractors", yet the fighters should just shut up and take it. Boggles the mind.
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                  • marzwoody
                    SBR MVP
                    • 01-03-14
                    • 3902

                    #149
                    Originally posted by MD
                    Why do so many dumb MMA fans have a problem with fighters trying to earn what they're worth? Are you honestly telling me that if you're Cung Le, whose career was permanently tarnished by a botched drug test conducted on behalf of the UFC, or Jon Fitch, who was underpaid throughout his career and potentially illegally stripped of the rights to his own focking likeness, that you wouldn't file a lawsuit against them? Even if you were likely to win?

                    The UFC is putting uniforms on what are supposedly "independent contractors", yet the fighters should just shut up and take it. Boggles the mind.
                    They got paid what they were worth. schaub was barely top 15 and says he got paid great. if they have problem with saving money that's there own fault.

                    The problem with pay is more the lower tier guyz / womens division.
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                    • MD
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 01-31-12
                      • 9728

                      #150
                      Originally posted by marzwoody
                      They got paid what they were worth. schaub was barely top 15 and says he got paid great. if they have problem with saving money that's there own fault.

                      The problem with pay is more the lower tier guyz / womens division.
                      How could you be so ignorant? What you're saying is complete nonsense. Fighters don't have the collective bargaining necessary to earn what they're worth, and only a few high level fighters are earning what they should be (if any at all). Pre-Reebok, Schaub earned more from his sponsorships than what the UFC was paying him. In his eleventh UFC fight, after five years with the company, he made $32000 fighting third-last on a pay-per-view, and that's before tax, training camp fees, etc. You are an idiot if you honestly believe what you're saying. Startling.
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                      • marzwoody
                        SBR MVP
                        • 01-03-14
                        • 3902

                        #151
                        Originally posted by MD
                        How could you be so ignorant? What you're saying is complete nonsense. Fighters don't have the collective bargaining necessary to earn what they're worth, and only a few high level fighters are earning what they should be (if any at all). Pre-Reebok, Schaub earned more from his sponsorships than what the UFC was paying him. In his eleventh UFC fight, after five years with the company, he made $32000 fighting third-last on a pay-per-view, and that's before tax, training camp fees, etc. You are an idiot if you honestly believe what you're saying. Startling.
                        Ok your right.
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                        • Thor4140
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 02-09-08
                          • 22296

                          #152
                          Originally posted by MD
                          How could you be so ignorant? What you're saying is complete nonsense. Fighters don't have the collective bargaining necessary to earn what they're worth, and only a few high level fighters are earning what they should be (if any at all). Pre-Reebok, Schaub earned more from his sponsorships than what the UFC was paying him. In his eleventh UFC fight, after five years with the company, he made $32000 fighting third-last on a pay-per-view, and that's before tax, training camp fees, etc. You are an idiot if you honestly believe what you're saying. Startling.
                          We got a majority of our country tricked into thinking like he is at the moment. That is why we are the laughing stock of the free world. We got politicians pounding their chest over and over again reminding us that we are the best country in the world. Seriously how ignorant is that?
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                          • PunisherIND
                            SBR MVP
                            • 02-24-11
                            • 4983

                            #153
                            Originally posted by MD
                            Why do so many dumb MMA fans have a problem with fighters trying to earn what they're worth? Are you honestly telling me that if you're Cung Le, whose career was permanently tarnished by a botched drug test conducted on behalf of the UFC, or Jon Fitch, who was underpaid throughout his career and potentially illegally stripped of the rights to his own focking likeness, that you wouldn't file a lawsuit against them? Even if you were likely to win?

                            The UFC is putting uniforms on what are supposedly "independent contractors", yet the fighters should just shut up and take it. Boggles the mind.
                            haven't read the complaint, but i don't see how cung le's situation has any connection to the alleged antitrust violations. he got paid very well.

                            also, if the ufc hadn't botched his drug test, do you think it comes back clean?
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                            • Beelzebubzy
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 06-06-11
                              • 6995

                              #154
                              Rampage added to UFC game aka he signed back
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                              • Beelzebubzy
                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                • 06-06-11
                                • 6995

                                #155
                                Rampage added to UFC game aka he signed back
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                                • Beelzebubzy
                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                  • 06-06-11
                                  • 6995

                                  #156
                                  Check Ryan jimmo twitter
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                                  • MD
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 01-31-12
                                    • 9728

                                    #157
                                    Originally posted by PunisherIND
                                    haven't read the complaint, but i don't see how cung le's situation has any connection to the alleged antitrust violations. he got paid very well.

                                    also, if the ufc hadn't botched his drug test, do you think it comes back clean?
                                    You'd know much better than I would about whether or not the botching of the drug test is something Le could be entitled to reimbursement for, so I'll defer to you on that one.

                                    As for whether it would have come back clean, almost certainly. There's only a window of a few hours to catch someone after a HGH injection. -9000000 that he was juicing though.
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                                    • Vaughany
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 03-07-10
                                      • 45563

                                      #158
                                      Originally posted by MD
                                      You'd know much better than I would about whether or not the botching of the drug test is something Le could be entitled to reimbursement for, so I'll defer to you on that one.

                                      As for whether it would have come back clean, almost certainly. There's only a window of a few hours to catch someone after a HGH injection. -9000000 that he was juicing though.
                                      surely the fact that it took place in China will complicate matters as well.
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                                      • Vaughany
                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                        • 03-07-10
                                        • 45563

                                        #159
                                        Originally posted by PunisherIND
                                        haven't read the complaint, but i don't see how cung le's situation has any connection to the alleged antitrust violations. he got paid very well.

                                        also, if the ufc hadn't botched his drug test, do you think it comes back clean?
                                        haha indeed, this is why Cung's situation is rather interesting....because you just know he was juicing! Sonnen and Bisping were talking about it on Sonnen's podcast last week
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                                        • Vaughany
                                          SBR Aristocracy
                                          • 03-07-10
                                          • 45563

                                          #160
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                                          • Vaughany
                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                            • 03-07-10
                                            • 45563

                                            #161
                                            Originally posted by Beelzebubzy
                                            Check Ryan jimmo twitter
                                            Refering to this?

                                            Ryan Jimmo ✔ @RyanJimmo
                                            Follow

                                            Thanks @ufc @danawhite for the fantastic seats. You sure know how to make your fighters feel appreciated..........

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                                            • PunisherIND
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 02-24-11
                                              • 4983

                                              #162
                                              Originally posted by MD
                                              You'd know much better than I would about whether or not the botching of the drug test is something Le could be entitled to reimbursement for, so I'll defer to you on that one.

                                              As for whether it would have come back clean, almost certainly. There's only a window of a few hours to catch someone after a HGH injection. -9000000 that he was juicing though.
                                              as to the first point, he probably would have some claim for damages against the ufc for screwing up the drug test, but it has nothing to do with anti-trust violations. participating in the anti-trust lawsuit makes him seem bitter and vindictive. for the record, i agree with most of your points, i just dont think it applies to cung le.

                                              as to the second point i was trying to make, i think everyone knows cung is/was juicing. so it's a bit disingenuous to say the botched drug test tarnished his reputation.
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                                              • PunisherIND
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 02-24-11
                                                • 4983

                                                #163
                                                Originally posted by Vaughany
                                                Refering to this?

                                                Ryan Jimmo ✔ @RyanJimmo
                                                Follow

                                                Thanks @ufc @danawhite for the fantastic seats. You sure know how to make your fighters feel appreciated..........

                                                Ryan Jimmo @RyanJimmo · 12h12 hours ago

                                                Today is a game changer if your a fighter. Hopefully this improves the quality of life if you choose to fight as a profession

                                                Ryan Jimmo @RyanJimmo · 12h12 hours ago

                                                @mattufc1985 @BitaNick the average UFC fighter is making under 40 g a year from zuffa. Compare that to other professional sports

                                                Ryan Jimmo @RyanJimmo · 12h12 hours ago

                                                @mattufc1985 @BitaNick its no coincidence they have a lawsuit on their hands right now


                                                Ryan Jimmo @RyanJimmo · 9h9 hours ago

                                                @BestUFCTweeter @ufc no, just want fair pay and treatment for the fighters
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                                                • Vaughany
                                                  SBR Aristocracy
                                                  • 03-07-10
                                                  • 45563

                                                  #164
                                                  ahh yeah saw that. The one I posted was funnier!
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                                                  • PunisherIND
                                                    SBR MVP
                                                    • 02-24-11
                                                    • 4983

                                                    #165
                                                    Lol yea, that is pretty funny!
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                                                    • Vaughany
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 03-07-10
                                                      • 45563

                                                      #166
                                                      Back when Dana wasnt a big fan of Cain!

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                                                      A bitterly angry Dana White said Wednesday the Ultimate Fighting Championship has cut highly regarded welterweight contender Jon Fitch and is not going to do business with any fighters who are part of the American Kickboxing Academy team in San Jose, Calif.
                                                      The outspoken UFC president said shortly after landing in Hawaii on Wednesday that he no longer wants to work with AKA fighters or those represented by DeWayne Zinkin and Bob Cook.
                                                      White said he excepted AKA welterweight Mike Swick from that group because he said Swick called him and told him he wants to fight for the UFC. But Fitch and heavyweight Christian Wellisch were cut on Wednesday, and heavyweight prospect Cain Velasquez and welterweight Josh Koscheck could be next.
                                                      “We’re looking for guys who want to work with us and not against us, and frankly I’m just so [expletive] sick of this [expletive] it’s not even funny,” White said from Honolulu, where he flew Wednesday from Toronto to hold a news conference to announce the B.J. Penn-Georges St. Pierre fight for UFC 94 on Jan. 31 in Las Vegas.
                                                      “Affliction is still out there trying to build its company. Let [Fitch] go work with them. Let him see what he thinks of those [expletives]. [Expletive] him. These guys aren’t partners with us. [Expletive] them. All of them, every last [expletive] one of them.”
                                                      Fitch said Wednesday the dispute was over his reluctance to sign a lifetime contract to allow his name and likeness to be used in a video game the UFC is planning with THQ. He said the dispute has nothing to do with money and that he never caused a problem during his time in the UFC.
                                                      He said he simply didn’t understand the need to sign a lifetime contract, particularly since it would not pay his family in the event of his death.
                                                      “Working for free and selling our rights away for lifetime, that’s a little different,” said Fitch, who said he hasn’t spoken with White but plans to call him. “We tried to negotiate five- or 10-year deals with them, but it wasn’t good enough. It was all or nothing. He wanted our lifetime. He wanted our souls forever.”
                                                      White said the AKA fighters “aren’t partners with us” and said they don’t understand what the UFC is trying to do for the sport. White said the UFC’s current success was because of long hours he and partner Lorenzo Fertitta have put in trying to build the company and the sport of mixed martial arts.
                                                      White complained that he has to make frequent sacrifices in his personal life and is away from his family for long stretches because of his commitment to growing the UFC. He said the AKA fighters don’t understand the things UFC management is trying to do and said they’ll learn how tough things are in the poor economy.
                                                      “There are a lot of guys who help us and work with us and are great partners with us, and they’re the ones we’re going to remember and take care of,” White said. “Do these guys understand what is going on in this world? I’ll tell you, this economy is [expletive] up. It’s totally [expletive] up. It’s bad, real, real bad. The [television] networks are in trouble and don’t have money. The sponsors are in trouble, and they have no money. If they don’t have money, they go out of business.
                                                      “It’s a whole other world out there, believe me, and let these guys go out there and see what they find.”
                                                      White said he took great care of Fitch and said with bonuses and purse, Fitch made $169,000 for his welterweight title fight loss to St. Pierre at UFC 87 in Minneapolis in August. Fitch (17-3 with 1 no-contest) did not dispute that salary figure. He said the UFC “has taken care of me and you’ve never heard me complain about money. This is a respect thing.”
                                                      Fitch said he thought there should room to negotiate on these contracts but said the UFC would not budge.
                                                      He said he understood it was highly unlikely that another company would want to put him in a video game but said it was only reasonable that he not tie his rights up for life.
                                                      White said he flew to San Jose in the summer to talk with the AKA fighters, but Fitch said the discussion was about a merchandising agreement.
                                                      “He wanted us to sign that merchandising agreement, and it was not a very good agreement,” Fitch said. “There was not really a reason for us to sign it. The first thing they brought to us was for us to sign all of our rights away for everything forever. It was for very small compensation, and there was no compensation for family members if we were to die.
                                                      “We could die and they could make memorial figurines and stuff and make thousands, millions of dollars, and our families wouldn’t see a penny of it. The way they bring the contracts and stuff to us, I don’t know, it’s just not how business is done.”
                                                      Zinkin also represents UFC light heavyweight Chuck Liddell, though Liddell does not fight for AKA. White said he has been “beefing with Zinkin for years” and said he had to call Liddell, one of his closest friends, and tell him to get Zinkin to back off.
                                                      According to White, Liddell said Zinkin represented him on sponsorships and he would negotiate his own deals with the UFC.
                                                      Fitch said he has been a loyal UFC employee and said, “I’d only like a little bit of respect for the blood I shed for this company.”
                                                      White said he has sacrificed more than anyone to build the UFC into the powerhouse it has become and that he’s tired of athletes who don’t want to “get with the program.”
                                                      Velasquez, one of the sport’s rising stars, clearly is on the outs with White. White said Zinkin wanted standard language that is part of every UFC fighter’s contract removed from Velasquez’s deal.
                                                      “Can you believe that?” White said. “Chuck Liddell has that language in his contract. Randy Couture has it. Anderson Silva has it. And Cain [expletive] Velasquez, with two [expletive] fights, wants us to change it for him? That’s [expletive] nuts. He can get the [expletive] out.
                                                      “I’m not a douche bag and I do a lot for these guys, a lot more than any of you will ever know. We’re in a horrible time in the economy now, and every guy with two nickels to rub together is making a run at us. We’ve worked too hard, given too much, to let certain guys come in and [expletive] with that.”
                                                      Fitch said he’s not trying to mess with anything and that he simply wants to fight. He said he always has been respectful in all his dealings with the UFC and said he can’t understand the position he finds himself in without ever having spoken to White.
                                                      He plans to call White to discuss the situation but wasn’t sure what move to make.
                                                      “I’m more than willing to work with them, but I don’t see why we have to give up our whole lives for this,” Fitch said. “Why not a time limit? If we did a 10-year deal with them, is that that unreasonable? I don’t understand how this happened, honestly. It’s tough.”
                                                      Kevin Iole is the national boxing/MMA writer for Yahoo! Sports. This story originally appeared on Yahoo! Sports and is syndicated on MMAjunkie.com as part of a content-partnership deal between the two sites.


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                                                      • Beelzebubzy
                                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                                        • 06-06-11
                                                        • 6995

                                                        #167
                                                        Akira vs Sicilia MAIN CARD on FOX!!!!!!
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                                                        • marzwoody
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 01-03-14
                                                          • 3902

                                                          #168
                                                          Andy Ogle on the prelims is the real main event brah.
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                                                          • Vaughany
                                                            SBR Aristocracy
                                                            • 03-07-10
                                                            • 45563

                                                            #169
                                                            Originally posted by Beelzebubzy
                                                            Akira vs Sicilia MAIN CARD on FOX!!!!!!
                                                            hahah

                                                            "Top of the Food Chaiiiiin"
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                                                            • MD
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 01-31-12
                                                              • 9728

                                                              #170
                                                              Originally posted by PunisherIND
                                                              as to the first point, he probably would have some claim for damages against the ufc for screwing up the drug test, but it has nothing to do with anti-trust violations. participating in the anti-trust lawsuit makes him seem bitter and vindictive. for the record, i agree with most of your points, i just dont think it applies to cung le.

                                                              as to the second point i was trying to make, i think everyone knows cung is/was juicing. so it's a bit disingenuous to say the botched drug test tarnished his reputation.
                                                              I agree Le was almost certainly juicing, but I think that is irrelevant at this point. He didn't get the due process which he was entitled to, so even if he was taking daily injections of HGH and testosterone, it doesn't really affect the validity of his drug test.

                                                              Originally posted by Beelzebubzy
                                                              Akira vs Sicilia MAIN CARD on FOX!!!!!!
                                                              Oh Jesus.
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                                                              • PunisherIND
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 02-24-11
                                                                • 4983

                                                                #171
                                                                Originally posted by MD
                                                                I agree Le was almost certainly juicing, but I think that is irrelevant at this point. He didn't get the due process which he was entitled to, so even if he was taking daily injections of HGH and testosterone, it doesn't really affect the validity of his drug test.
                                                                i hear you, he was wronged. but i think the argument that his reputation was tarnished is a bit of a stretch.
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                                                                • Ron_Paul_2012
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 01-31-13
                                                                  • 3953

                                                                  #172
                                                                  Originally posted by PunisherIND
                                                                  i hear you, he was wronged. but i think the argument that his reputation was tarnished is a bit of a stretch.
                                                                  Not really Pun. You would be very surprised just how many true believers there are in the Cung Le fan base. The same type of idiots who in the past said that it was a conspiracy theory that Bonds, Sosa or McGwire would even think about using steroids.
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                                                                  • Napes21
                                                                    SBR Sharp
                                                                    • 08-22-14
                                                                    • 450

                                                                    #173
                                                                    Coach Kavanagh @John_Kavanagh
                                                                    It's early days of (not so successful) fighters v UFC but I can tell you who will be wealthy because of this. Lawyers.
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                                                                    • Keyboard Warrior
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 06-07-14
                                                                      • 1290

                                                                      #174
                                                                      Originally posted by Vaughany

                                                                      what a piece of shit. Proud to murder the best thing MMA had going. I dont care anymore. I honestly hope the UFC goes bankrupt. The sport of MMA is dead. Everyone needs to move on. Other sports return far more value than MMA these days.

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                                                                      • marzwoody
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 01-03-14
                                                                        • 3902

                                                                        #175
                                                                        ^ Womens vollyball?
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