UFC Fight Night: Te Huna vs. Marquardt (June 28, 2014)

[Wilbo86]

I have no problem with you. But you seem to pop up everywhere throwing snide comments my way. You started judging me and my posting. So either you're a ghost from a long time ago or some post quality God. My posts might be low quality, but that is just because i am lazy. I have posted about fights and bets long ago and did reasonably well. If you want to judge others you might as well start a thread with fight picks and breakdowns so we can judge you and how well you can gamble.

If I recall correctly that was shortly after I joined the forum. All I'll say is I was probably too critical and willing to engage in pointless arguments, and also wasnt accustomed to the general tone and subcontext in some of the discussions.

I will probably never start a picks thread and there's a few reasons. Firstly I'm happy with what I can achieve in sports betting and I don't feel any need to explicitly prove that to anyone. I don't really understand those who do. Secondly its a lot of work to document properly and has far more downsides than upsides. Lastly, I judge people more on the basis of their demeanor and mental approach to gambling rather than how many winnerz they can pick. I come here for the discussion and to pick up points of view that maybe i hadnt considered or was unware of. I'll make picks on my own, I put much more weight in healthy discussion.

Happy to steer clear of you in the future if you are?

[JIBBBY]

Maybe you should watch his UFC debut before saying something so unbelievably ignorant. Do you think the same about Chris Leben?
Rosholt walks through punches. Soa can definitely KO him, but he's no quitter.

I don't recall saying he was a quitter MD? Hmm?.. Where did I mention the word quitter in my above post?

I said it appears to me when he gets hit in the face he doesn't want to be there, goes right into wrestling mode typically... Doesn't get a pissed off look on his face but rather oh shiit I'm getting hit in the face look.. Jared is a tuff guy though but he is an easy target to hit if he stands and tries to box it out.. That's all I was trying to say Mr. MD....

Soa can bang and Jared Rosholt better not stand in front of him.....http://mmajunkie.com/2014/06/mmajunk...medium=twitter

[JIBBBY]

I agree with u. Nate is the better fighter. Te huna has power in his hands though. I would take nate as a dog.

I really don't understand why Nate is considered an almost 2-1 underdog going into this fight?. I would have thought the opposite..

Te Huna is a tough guy and I understand that but we've seen him get rocked in the cage before and as far as over all MMA skill sets are concerned he's not nearly as well rounded as Nate.. Doesn't have the fight experience as Nate.. Speed advantage I think favors Nate as well in this one..

[Vaughany]

Because of size advantage, perceived home advantage, and marquardt being on three fight losing streak

[Beelzebubzy]

Because of size advantage, perceived home advantage, and marquardt being on three fight losing streak

and Marquadt has no chin. He wont offensively wrestle.

[Vaughany]

Indeed

[Unwritten Law]

Soa Palelei is the live dog!

[Ron_Paul_2012]

Not taking sides here (love you Ron <3), but it's a bit embarrassing that you told him not to be lazy, and then the wiki text formatting carried over into your post when you were "educating" him.

I was speaking in general terms about his past history of fight breakdowns. And I was NOT being lazy. I was merely being efficient. I just don't recall him ever giving any good plays such as Kovalev (at a time when no one had heard of him) & Algieri (I posted the 2 videos for others to benefit from). I think it's a shame good MMA bettors like wannabet (and many others) do not post any breakdowns. I don't want to speak for him but I suspect he finally reached a point of "why bother". Even if a play does NOT cash I still give props to someone who has good intent & is trying to "raise all ships". I never expect people to automatically give. I'm NOT an altruist. So when someone does I appreciate it. If Wilbo is in fact NOT iron sheik than perhaps I was a bit hard on him. If Wilbo is in fact iron sheik than this is only the beginning!

[MD]

I was speaking in general terms about his past history of fight breakdowns. And I was NOT being lazy. I was merely being efficient. I just don't recall him ever giving any good plays such as Kovalev (at a time when no one had heard of him) & Algieri (I posted the 2 videos for others to benefit from). I think it's a shame good MMA bettors like wannabet (and many others) do not post any breakdowns. I don't want to speak for him but I suspect he finally reached a point of "why bother". Even if a play does NOT cash I still give props to someone who has good intent & is trying to "raise all ships". I never expect people to automatically give. I'm NOT an altruist. So when someone does I appreciate it. If Wilbo is in fact NOT iron sheik than perhaps I was a bit hard on him. If Wilbo is in fact iron sheik than this is only the beginning!

I can tell you with a very high degree of certainty that Wilbo is not Iron Sheik. He's just a guy who makes a legitimate effort to contribute, and is under the impression that you do not. But hey, that's fair; a lot of the core members of this subforum only really post analysis amongst each other, I myself am pretty guilty of that. I try not to post detailed breakdowns unless I'm making a thread play, or unless I'm explicitly asked to.

[JIBBBY]

Because of size advantage, perceived home advantage, and marquardt being on three fight losing streak

I don't see a size advantage come fight time being an issue.. Also those 3 losses were to fighters more skilled then Tu Huna... One of those loses was a 5 round decision also... http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Nate-Marquardt-1712

Granted Nate's chin is suspect at times but Te Huna's chin also isn't granite either.. Te Huna doesn't have the ground game that Nate has, doesn't have MT striking that Nate has either.. If Nate can protect the chin I think he wins this fight.. Last guy to KO Tyron Woodley is Nate so he can strike effectively....

[JIBBBY]

and Marquadt has no chin. He wont offensively wrestle.

He can set up wrestling and take downs off his striking... I wouldn't rule that out if the fight extends.. Nate is well rounded..

[Beelzebubzy]

I don't see a size advantage come fight time being an issue.. Also those 3 losses were to fighters more skilled then Tu Huna... One of those loses was a 5 round decision also... http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Nate-Marquardt-1712

Granted Nate's chin is suspect at times but Tu Huna's chin also isn't granite either.. Tu Huna doesn't have the ground game that Nate has, doesn't have MT striking that Nate has either.. If Nate can protect the chin I think he wins this fight..

One jsut fought at LHW and the other fought at WW

[JIBBBY]

One jsut fought at LHW and the other fought at WW

I'm aware of that, still I don't see that being a problem for Nate coming up in weight 15 pounds. Or Tuna coming in as the heavier fighter at fight time..

If anything I think that will favor Nate as he won't have to cut as much weight next week, his speed should still be at an advantage against the slower Te Huna.. I like Nate coming up in weight and it's a new start for him basically which I think will make him fight with more confidence in this bout... Te Huna has lost his last 2 fights also and in bad ways.. http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/James-Te-Huna-9033

[Rubber Guard]

Could be a terribke fight. I think Nate is shot and Te Huna wont look that good at weigh ins.

[Thor4140]

Nate is now steroid free unless he is doping this fight until it is over. A steroid abuser like Nate doesn't get better when he is off of them.

[Skel]

Nate is now steroid free unless he is doping this fight until it is over. A steroid abuser like Nate doesn't get better when he is off of them.

I think he's been off TRT for a couple years. I figure he just went back to illegal doping after that.

[Skel]

Another event thread, another interpersonal feud.

[JIBBBY]

Could be a terribke fight. I think Nate is shot and Te Huna wont look that good at weigh ins.

I think Nate will jump on his horse and try to stay out of Te Huna's range early on.. Then start to pick him apart and win rounds after the 1st if he is still standing..

That's the way I see that fight unfolding.. Could be wrong though... We see..... Nate will also come in jacked, stacked and juiced up like he's always done.. Could he fail a drug test sooner or later? Sure..

[JIBBBY]

Another event thread, another interpersonal feud.

That seems to be the on going trend recently on these event threads Skel.. I don't recall this stuff happening when first joining this forum section between these same members either.....

Really gets away from the subject material that pro gamblers and true MMA fans are chiming in for in the first place..... Good entertainment value at times but only in moderation in my opinion.......LOL...

[JIBBBY]

Charles Oliveira 17-4 vs Hatsu Hioki - Well, we all know Oliveira has been facing some of the best fighters that the UFC has to offer up recently in his weight division and he has come up short against them..

Thinking of this fight - Hatsu isn't one of the best in the UFC now and CO should win this fight hands down simply said... At -200 it's an no brainer in my opinion to ride Charles Oliveira and it's probably a good idea to jump on the odds now before they go up....

http://www.ufc.com/event/ufn-auckland-nz?f1=Hatsu-Hioki&f2=Charles-Oliveira

Not to get into this fight break down too much - let's face it though, Hatsu hasn't fought anyone yet close to the caliber of CO.. Hatsu doesn't have KO power either... The only way I can see Hatsu winning this fight is some how out boxing Oliveira and out pointing him on the judges score cards for a robbery decision.. Don't see that happening though..

[bjpenn85]

Andy ogle almost beat oliveira. Oliveira has horrible takedown defence. Totally unreliable guy. Defended takedowns all day against nick lentz which is impossible, but then got taken down years later against andy ogle? I mean...does that make sense? Oliveira doesnt make sense.... but suddenly this fight maybe he can defend against hioki, i just cant bet on it.

[Vaughany]

I don't see a size advantage come fight time being an issue.. Also those 3 losses were to fighters more skilled then Tu Huna... One of those loses was a 5 round decision also... http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Nate-Marquardt-1712

Granted Nate's chin is suspect at times but Te Huna's chin also isn't granite either.. Te Huna doesn't have the ground game that Nate has, doesn't have MT striking that Nate has either.. If Nate can protect the chin I think he wins this fight.. Last guy to KO Tyron Woodley is Nate so he can strike effectively....

No, I agree, the value at these odds is probably with Nate, I'm just saying that those are reasons why the odds are like they are - not that I necessarily agree with them

[MD]

Charles Oliveira 17-4 vs Hatsu Hioki - Well, we all know Oliveira has been facing some of the best fighters that the UFC has to offer up recently in his weight division and he has come up short against them..

Thinking of this fight - Hatsu isn't one of the best in the UFC now and CO should win this fight hands down simply said... At -200 it's an no brainer in my opinion to ride Charles Oliveira and it's probably a good idea to jump on the odds now before they go up....

http://www.ufc.com/event/ufn-auckland-nz?f1=Hatsu-Hioki&f2=Charles-Oliveira

Not to get into this fight break down too much - let's face it though, Hatsu hasn't fought anyone yet close to the caliber of CO.. Hatsu doesn't have KO power either... The only way I can see Hatsu winning this fight is some how out boxing Oliveira and out pointing him on the judges score cards for a robbery decision.. Don't see that happening though..

Ricardo Lamas is considerably better than Oliveira, and you think Hioki can only win by robbery decision? Do your homework dude.

[bjpenn85]

do your homework dude!

[Tommy Blingshyne]

hatsu hasnt fought ANYONE the caliber of charles oliveira? really? idk bro...not sure what caliber you consider him but no way am i laying -200...fight is way closer than that IMO...

[Rubber Guard]

Has Te Huna ever fought at 185? someone help me out, having trouble finding anything.

was his fight with Lomard at 185,catch?

[Vaughany]

Nah when lombard was properly roided up he was fightin at 205

[JIBBBY]

Ricardo Lamas is considerably better than Oliveira, and you think Hioki can only win by robbery decision? Do your homework dude.

Did do my homework, just offering up my opinion.. Let me explain further in my reasoning.. Just going off records, fights and facts.. Simplified...

Hioki has "lost" to some guys with names recently, Guida, Lamas, ok...http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Hatsu-Hioki-5466

I stand corrected in saying "that he hasn't fought anyone close to Oliveira" I should have never written that...moving on but every fight this guy has fought in recent years goes to decision, he has no knock out or finishing power, and he is simply no threat to finish fights. It's gonna come down to a points contest and I simply think Olivera has the tools to beat and out point Hioki either standing or on the ground.. Certainly like this fight to go the distance but that goes without saying..

Look who Oliveira has fought recently now.. He has fought and lost to guys like Cub Swanson, Cowboy Cerrone and Frankie Edgar..http://www.sherdog.com/fighter/Charles-Oliveira-30300 Hioki has lost 3 of 4 of his last fights.. Oliveira 2-3..

I can go on listing stuff that favors Oliveira in this one but don't have the time.. Training camp information too.. Oliveira should get the best of Hioki in this fight and at -200 I think it's a good bet.. Over rounds bet also is a no brainer..

[Vaughany]

Hioki has trained hard for this fight tho Jibbehhh and is due a win.

[JIBBBY]

Hioki has trained hard for this fight tho Jibbehhh and is due a win.

Getting old there V.. It was funny the 4th or 5th time you wrote this..

[Jim_Gunn]

I'm personally on Hioki at +190. Oliveira is good but flawed and there is no way he should be a 2 to 1 favorite over Hioki.

[Lick496]

I'm personally on Hioki at +190. Oliveira is good but flawed and there is no way he should be a 2 to 1 favorite over Hioki.

where did you find him at +190?

[Vaughany]

Hioki has been at better line than +190 on 5dimes and pinnacle

[Lick496]

that...really sucks that i missed out on that line

[Jim_Gunn]

where did you find him at +190?

5Dimes. BestFightOdds.com shows the line movement at all the major online sportsbooks.