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karma works because even you admitted that the amount of money you lost would make people in this forum throw up. Back tracking now? lol I love when people do that, so now its just "Losing money on a +EV play" LOL you delusional morally corrupt prick.
MD the thread is up for all to see Im not hiding anything, the evidence is there. WannaBet clearly refused to acknowledge that he was wrong and for whatever reason that I dont know (Im guessing its jealousy) you of all people decided to say that I was wrong in a bet that I won.Comment -
Uh, what exactly am I backtracking on? You say "you admitted that the money you lost would make people in this forum throw up", and then claim I'm backtracking when I say that "I lost money on a +EV play"? This whole "arguing" thing is sort of lost on you, isn't it?
You're not hiding anything, you're just lying about it. You lost the bet, clearly, your excuse for why you refused to honour it went completely against the spirit of the bet and that should be obvious to anyone who read the thread. You bet that GSP wouldn't get a "real" takedown on Hendricks, and not only did GSP get him down, but he even attempted a submission. Doesn't get much more "real" than that. Your excuse that he "wasn't on top long enough" went completely against the point of the bet. It was a takedown with which he managed to obtain a near-fight-ending position. But yeah, feel free to continue to be childish.Comment -
This is exactly what Im talking about, you're a delusional prick no wonder you suck at betting, cant even see the truth and just see what you want to...
heres the thread with the terms and conditions for all to see..
I clearly won the bet on the specific terms and conditions I pointed out before the fight, GSP did not hold Hendricks down on his back in the pin position for more than 7 seconds. But please dont let inconvenient terms and conditions like this stop you from imagining I lost the bet.
Go do whatever makes you feel more comfortable as your comfort obviously comes first before the truth once again, no wonder you suck at gambling and lose money which would make others here sick.
Too bad you cant twist the terms and conditions in hindsight at the bookies muhahaha, suckers.
Go, let me see you snake out of your thomspon bendo bet, "oh, dude it was a robbery decision, I won the bet" ahahah suckers. Keep doing what you're good at, sucking.
and good job on the mak bet as well
whats that? you couldent twist the bets terms and conditions? ahahaha
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I like how you spin "Won't count: pushing him up against the cage, Take him down then Johny gets back up immediately via scramble or cagewalk", with the spirit of the bet clearly being that he gets a "real", effective, takedown on Hendricks, into "I actually meant he has to hold him down for at least seven seconds", because you said 'And by "takedown" I mean a full takedown where Johny is pinned to the ground for more than like 7 seconds.' Yeah, seems legit, despite the fact that GSP got a takedown in which he actually did something with it and threatened with a submission.This is exactly what Im talking about, you're a delusional prick no wonder you suck at betting, cant even see the truth and just see what you want to...
heres the thread with the terms and conditions for all to see..
I clearly won the bet on the specific terms and conditions I pointed out before the fight, GSP did not hold Hendricks down on his back in the pin position for more than 7 seconds. But please dont let inconvenient terms and conditions like this stop you from imagining I lost the bet.
Go do whatever makes you feel more comfortable as your comfort obviously comes first before the truth once again, no wonder you suck at gambling and lose money which would make others here sick.
Too bad you cant twist the terms and conditions in hindsight at the bookies muhahaha, suckers.
Go, let me see you snake out of your thomspon bendo bet, "oh, dude it was a robbery decision, I won the bet" ahahah suckers. Keep doing what you're good at, sucking.
and good job on the mak bet as well whats that? you couldent twist the bets terms and conditions? ahahaha
Oh no, plz dnt maek fun of bets i lose. dat hurts my felins so mush bcuz i am 12 liek u
I would expect nothing less from a guy who would welsh out of a simple forum bet, really showing your intellect here. I've lost thousands of bets, you'll need to step your insult-game up bro. 
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Its not rocket science, I will make it easier for you.I like how you spin "Won't count: pushing him up against the cage, Take him down then Johny gets back up immediately via scramble or cagewalk", with the spirit of the bet clearly being that he gets a "real", effective, takedown on Hendricks, into "I actually meant he has to hold him down for at least seven seconds", because you said 'And by "takedown" I mean a full takedown where Johny is pinned to the ground for more than like 7 seconds.' Yeah, seems legit, despite the fact that GSP got a takedown in which he actually did something with it and threatened with a submission.
Oh no, plz dnt maek fun of bets i lose. dat hurts my felins so mush bcuz i am 12 liek u I would expect nothing less from a guy who would welsh out of a simple forum bet, really showing your intellect here. I've lost thousands of bets, you'll need to step your insult-game up bro.
GSP did not hold Johny down in the pin position on his back for more than 7 seconds... That is all the bet was about, not your shitty definition of what a takedown is with all these submissions of whatever in hindsight.
yeah even you acknowledge that you are a degenerate, looks like you think losing money is a normal thing to do. ring the gamblers help line. Im kinda glad I only bet avatars and not real money, I would feel like a criminal taking money off degenerate kids. Please tell me your next degenerate bet so I can fade it, Im waiting..Comment -
I'd be frustrated about people still underrating Weidman if it didn't mean that his lines are out of whack as a result.
Weidman's distance control, composure and head movement in his standup game are all sublime. He's very accurate, attacks at the right times, and is only getting better. MD is right - Weidman's kicking game will likely improve a lot between the Silva II fight and Vitor fight, and we'll see Weidman picking apart Vitor with kicks on the outside, using lateral movement to avoid Belfort's flurries mixed in with the occasional TD on an over-aggressive and over-committing Vitor. Weidman is pretty much better than Vitor anywhere the fight goes. Vitor does have a chance with his tremendous power and explosion if Weidman makes a big error in Rd1 but this is quite unlikely.Comment -
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There isn't a more stylistically bad matchup out there for Vitor than Weidman.Comment -
Hard not to laugh at the folks who think Vitor is a live dog...
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I would like to know when Vitor has ever shown resiliance i also want to know what W's it is Vitor has that makes people rate him this high. I would argue that stopping a plodding Hendo in 2013 isn't a very impressive feat, i would also argue that Hendo has been given VERY favorable matchups in the UFC ever since Anderson choked him blue.
All Vitor has over Weidman is speed, i would argue that Weidman's intelligence and sense of timing will be more then enough to see Vitor coming a mile away, i also think that Weidmans grappling ability and takedown prowess will have Vitor reluctant to throw any wild crazy stuff.
Vitor's track record with wrestlers isn't exactly stellar to say the least. Just cuz the guy shoots steroids in his ass hasn't turned him into completly new fighter by any means, you don't gain ''heart'' and resiliance with age it's not something that is thought either. They are attributes that you are either born WITH or WITHOUT frankly Vitor was born without them.Comment -
If Vitor doesn't get the KO early he'll be on the mat. I see Chris completely controlling him there. Vitor won't get up easy.
Line is spot on imo.Comment -
Ultimately you are correct in your observations but wrong in your perspective.
Vitor has always had troubles cutting weight properly in his career and thats why he recently got the help of Dolce who has turned Vitors game around. Vitor always had heart, he just never had the right methods of training and preparations.
Vitor has the speed, power, experience advantage over weidman, all weidman has is wrestling and grappling and possibly better game planning with the help of Longo and Danaher.
You can bet your money Vitor knows Weidman will shoot in for that takedown, Vitor has been training his wrestling for a very long time not to mention the recent help of the legendary Kenny Monday. If you think Weidman easily takes and holds down Vitor you are wrong, Vitor will punish him in those positions.
It seems like you guys are really firm in your beliefs, like always we will just have to wait till fight time and find out. But dont be surprised if Vitor knocks out your American Hero.Comment -
Dude he fought most of the wrestlers @ free weight or LHW did he have trouble ''cutting'' to those weightclasses aswell? No Vitor's never had heart, and he's never shown intelligence either.
Yeah he managed as a black belt to lock up a fluke armbar on a guy who had been training mma for like 4 years and never spent a day in a gi, and yet Vitor couldn't finish this armbar, and kept going back to it for the duration of the fight where he proceeded to flop onto his back until he gave Jones his arm to americana him out of his misery.
Weidman made Anderson look foolish standing TWICE besting him in the clinch and in the distance game. Vitor's ''success'' is to be vitnessed on every UFC intro.Comment -
Its not just the weight cut but other things which I choose not to talk about on a public forum but you get the idea.
And weidman has the cardio edge but its not like Vitors a slouch on the ground, hes a legit blackbelt almost broke Jones arm in half. Its very obvious you are being bias here Plekz you are referring to Jon Jones the undisputed champ as a guy with only 4 years experience, well if thats the case how do you judge weidman?
Weidman making Anderson look foolish standing aint that hard of a thing to do if even Sonnen dropped Anderson right?Comment -
The fact that he is "champ" is irrelevant what is relevant however is that Jones prior to that fight hadn't spent a day in his life in a GI. And yet he managed to plug that hole instantly, Vitor however as a BB kept going back to trying that same technique multiple times and didn't change it up at all eventhough he had ZERO success with it.
Instead he got picked apart standing and GNP'd until he gave Jones his arm to put him out of his misery.
Now he's got Weidman who has even better grappling credentials and who made the FINALS in ADCC with less then six months of jitz experience and even managed to lock up a tight D'arce on Andre Galvao, Galvao didn't submit Weidman either he won a close match on points.
Weidman is no fluke and he's better then ANYTHING Vitor has ever faced previously in his life (except Jones)
Sonnen bumrushed Silva
Weidman however did it with technical striking ability not once but TWICE both in the clinch and playing the distance game with Silva.
Outside of a punchers chance Vitor has nothing for Weidman and that punchers chance buys him 1,5 rounds TOPS.Comment -
You do realize that Vitor took that fight on really short notice right?
Weidman couldn't submit Anderson its not like hes this unstoppable force. He has his limitations
So you justify my point by saying Sonnen bumrushed Anderson and yet fully ignore that Vitor is probably the best 'bumrusher' in the sport with his hands, go watch vitor vs wand.
Like I said dont be surprised if the Brazilian Phenom knocks out your American Hero.Comment -
I think the play here if you like vitor is vitor KOTN
that is it
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So taking a fight on short notice is something that would negate a legit bb's ability to think on his feet? It's the fact that he went back to the well to try and repeatedly use the same technqiue over and over again that speaks to Vitors less then stellar FIGHT IQ
He went for a low percentage heelhook which he came fairly close to completing, what he did show of his movement on the ground however is that Andersons guard wasn't much of an issue for him. So it's fairly foolish to say "he couldn't"
Styles makes fights, so when looking at how Sonnen approached things and how Weidman did it Andersons bane has always been wrestlers, Sonnen spent the majority of the time in Silva's guard. Weidman however did MORE damage in less then a minute of GNP then Sonnen managed in 5,5 rounds against Silva.
Not to mention that Weidman beat KTFO Silva standing and also flash KO'd him in the clinch.
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You however are trying to create a fighter that doesn't exist.Comment -
I think the manner in which the two Weidman-Silva fights ended really play a big part in downplaying how Good Weidman really is. First fight was no fluke. Easy to downplay it because of Silva's antics. Second Fight Weidman was in the driver's seat the whole way. Again, the ending tarnished how people are viewing Weidman. -240 is off some. Should be around -400. The real test for Weidman will be Machida. Like to see how he handles all the movement and angles from Machida.Comment -
Here is the deal dude. A guy like Bisping who rarely takes ya down is taylor made for Vitor. Weidman mixes it up. He is the worst kind of fighter for Vitor out of anyone. Lets not forget the people who Vitor lost to. Most have the same kind of style that Weidman has except Weidman does everything better than almost every guy Vitor lost to. If i had to compare anyone to Weidman and that is almost impossible it is the fight Vitor had with Anthony Johnson. A fight which Johson saw a lot of heat for missing weight and was winning the fight but a couple of bogus standups for Vitor saved his ass. I actually think Weidman is a worst matchup for Vitor than Bones was because of Bones carelessness in the JuJitz game.Comment -
I would never say Vitor has no chance. Heck Cheal almost beat Jones when JOnes toe broke. Good thing they stopped if for JOnes or he loses.Comment -
Another point i think it took Vitor to round three to finally throw a fukin punch at JOnes. The guy is scared to be taken down. He won't be throwing any of those high kicks at Weidman. Bisping he can. Luke he can. Weidman will take him right down. Same shit will Happen. Vitor won't throw but maybe two punches in round one. Just circling around trying to figure something out.Comment
