UFC 162 Silva Vs Weidman (July 06, 2013)

[Das Jax]

Except, limits.

You could get around this by using multiple accounts. In fact, I think that would be the only way to do it if you took on investor money. Just have them open their own accounts and then either have them enter the bets themselves, or have them give you the account/password info so you could place the bets yourself. It's important to note that this also allows such a person to take full advantage of sign-up bonuses.

[Vaughany]

lol you aren't the first one to think of having beards brah!

[Das Jax]

Im talking about the psychological side of things. It's amazing how many guys on here think they have got this shiit locked down because they go on a great run. Only have to look at Jesus' thread to see how quickly things can go south! (and he wasnt one who thought he was a know it all - he just went on an very bad run and lost majority of his profits).

Could you link me to the thread? Believe me though, I definitely take your point on this and I'm definitely aware of the risk. One of the reasons I haven't been more active in MMA betting over the last few years was because, when I first got into it, greed got the better of me and I lost 2k really early on that I didn't really have to lose. It was my own fault for losing it (I'm not even going to tell you what I was betting on), but I say that to let you know that I have personal experience with the... other side of the coin so to speak.

[Das Jax]

lol you aren't the first one to think of having beards brah!

Obviously, I'm just saying it would be a simple workaround.

[MD]

Obviously, I'm just saying it would be a simple workaround.

Managing multiple accounts is "simple"?

[sideloaded]

Love all this talk of making 100k with props and parlays and there literally is one book that offers that stuff consistently on mma.

[mmaed]

Love all this talk of making 100k with props and parlays and there literally is one book that offers that stuff consistently on mma.

You dont need props or parlays to make 100 return.

[Das Jax]

Managing multiple accounts is "simple"?

I think so. You'd keep the accounts separate, of course, but the effect would be the same. Instead of making one 5k bet, you make five 1k bets.

[mmaed]

I think so. You'd keep the accounts separate, of course, but the effect would be the same. Instead of making one 5k bet, you make five 1k bets.

You reslly just need pinnacle and bookmaker. You can place 5k worth of bets betweem the two of them.

[Das Jax]

Love all this talk of making 100k with props and parlays and there literally is one book that offers that stuff consistently on mma.

touche

Edit: Actually, I have a question about that. I know prop betting is rare, but is parlay betting? My only experience is with 5d and sportbet (because of their prop options), but I always had the impression that parlay betting was something of an industry standard.

[Das Jax]

You reslly just need pinnacle and bookmaker. You can place 5k worth of bets betweem the two of them.

Yes, but can you make 5 10k bets? I'm not sure what the limits are, but I'm sure they exist.

[mmaed]

Yes you can. Maybe not all in one shot though. You can usually place a couple grand on bookmaker they night before the fight. You can then wait for the line to reset and place another bet.

[sideloaded]

thread is chalked full of hubris

[Vaughany]

MMAed, why don't you start a thread and have a $100,000 bankroll of fake money and state your plays for each event on there and we'll see how easy it is. Best way to found out!

[MD]

MMAed, why don't you start a thread and have a $100,000 bankroll of fake money and state your plays for each event on there and we'll see how easy it is. Best way to found out!

What I should do is start a thread saying I put $67500000 on Jones -675. I'd then have ten million dollars in documented MMA winnings. Or a lot more in losses. Either way I'd be a legend.

[Crassus]

What I should do is start a thread saying I put $67500000 on Jones -675. I'd then have ten million dollars in documented MMA winnings. Or a lot more in losses. Either way I'd be a legend.

You must have a TON of accounts.

[MD]

You must have a TON of accounts.

I play at Floyd Mayweather's book.

[Noleafclover]

Obviously, I'm just saying it would be a simple workaround.

If you have 5 accounts that max bet the same plays, day in and day out, and are winning accounts, they'll notice you're abusing their limits.

EDIT: Strikes me that this is why Walters (who bets by proxy) uses Vegas... no accounts, just cash in hand. Not that they are necessarily unable to tell that big money has come in, but don't know specifically the source, or if they have an inkling, at least there are some Vegas books willing to take his action.

[DSSCA]

I understand the thought behind multiple accounts and maxing a wager on each account, but when you start running into large bets on each account: let's say $10k+ each account over 5 accounts, you will move the line... you will not have the same odds for each account bet. Even worse when they are much larger bets. (I doubt online books even take those sized bets) You would need multiple runners (people to place bets for you) and hit up vegas all at once at different books. Time your bets and get in and get out. Then again, how often do people place large $10k+ bets on MMA even in Vegas? I'm sure if 5 guys walked into MGM and each threw down $10k on Jones, they may just suspect something. I could be wrong though? I'm sure it is POSSIBLE, but there would be MUCH MORE work than just multiple accounts. Thoughts?

[Das Jax]

I understand the thought behind multiple accounts and maxing a wager on each account, but when you start running into large bets on each account: let's say $10k+ each account over 5 accounts, you will move the line... you will not have the same odds for each account bet. Even worse when they are much larger bets. (I doubt online books even take those sized bets) You would need multiple runners (people to place bets for you) and hit up vegas all at once at different books. Time your bets and get in and get out. Then again, how often do people place large $10k+ bets on MMA even in Vegas? I'm sure if 5 guys walked into MGM and each threw down $10k on Jones, they may just suspect something. I could be wrong though? I'm sure it is POSSIBLE, but there would be MUCH MORE work than just multiple accounts. Thoughts?

Yeah... we're not on the same page at all. I see no reason to place physical bets in Vegas (or anywhere else). It's a great place to visit and all, but gambling comes down to cold hard numbers and, apart from amusement and novelty, Vegas has little to offer in terms of actual betting value. Taking the time to walk from casino to casino trying to figure out the best line and hedge plays sounds like a nightmare to me... particularly when I can compare the lines and options at 10 online books (who almost always offer better lines btw) from the comfort of my home.

[DSSCA]

Yeah... we're not on the same page at all. I see no reason to place physical bets in Vegas (or anywhere else). It's a great place to visit and all, but gambling comes down the cold hard numbers and, apart from amusement and novelty, Vegas has little to offer in terms of actual betting value. Taking the time to walk from casino to casino trying to figure out the best line and hedge plays sounds like a nightmare to me... particularly when I can compare the lines and options at 10 online books (who almost always offer better lines btw) from the comfort of my home?

My point is that you will be limited much faster online and have a harder time making large bets due to the hoops one must jump through. I should have made that more clear. Ask anyone on here who places large wagers how many books have limited them. I've heard payout nightmares about books online too. Maybe it is easier for those over seas, but for me, I am in the US, so I MUCH rather would go to Vegas then try to beat the online game.

[MD]

Yeah... we're not on the same page at all. I see no reason to place physical bets in Vegas (or anywhere else). It's a great place to visit and all, but gambling comes down the cold hard numbers and, apart from amusement and novelty, Vegas has little to offer in terms of actual betting value. Taking the time to walk from casino to casino trying to figure out the best line and hedge plays sounds like a nightmare to me... particularly when I can compare the lines and options at 10 online books (who almost always offer better lines btw) from the comfort of my home?

Except, limits.

[MD]

My point is that you will be limited much faster online and have a harder time making large bets due to the hoops one must jump through. I should have made that more clear. Ask anyone on here who places large wagers how many books have limited them. I've heard payout nightmares about books online too. Maybe it is easier for those over seas, but for me, I am in the US, so I MUCH rather would go to Vegas then try to beat the online game.

Funny story, the only book I'm down lifetime on is Paddy Power, and they've limited me more than the books I'm slaughtering. Go figure.

[Das Jax]

MMAed, why don't you start a thread and have a $100,000 bankroll of fake money and state your plays for each event on there and we'll see how easy it is. Best way to found out!

Eh, I don't think this would work because it's not real money... and the person making the bets would know it. Maybe some people could make the same bets without having it affect them, but I sure couldn't. Really, I think the best way to do it would be to simply chronicle actual bets and the overall units won/lost as you used to do it. Frankly, unless you've experienced a significant reversal since I was last active on these forums, I'm surprised you aren't more readily embracing the possibility. If I remember correctly, you have a pretty impressive track record yourself and are therefore living proof of the concept.

[DSSCA]

Funny story, the only book I'm down lifetime on is Paddy Power, and they've limited me more than the books I'm slaughtering. Go figure.

They have received word of your legend hehe. That sucks, I heard PP has some good lines/props?

[Beelzebubzy]

Just saw Brad Morris vs "cayin" Velasquez

Mazzagatti should not be allowed to ref. He witnessed a rape first hand

[Das Jax]

Except, limits.

I'd like to know more about this as I haven't yet experienced this yet myself. As someone who's been capped, would you mind sharing what happened to you? I'd like to know the before and after of your bet amounts (ie, what level bets you were placing before the limit, and the amount they capped you at after they realized you were a sharp). Also, knowing which books we're talking about would helpful. I'm assuming Sportsbet?

[MD]

I'd like to know more about this as I haven't yet experienced this yet myself. As someone who's been capped, would you mind sharing what happened to you? I'd like to know the before and after of your bet amounts (ie, what level bets you were placing before the limit, and the amount they capped you at after they realized you were a sharp). Also, knowing which books we're talking about would helpful. I'm assuming Sportsbet?

If you haven't been limited at any books yet, then you shouldn't be worrying about whether or not you can get backers and dupe accounts in order to make massive MMA moniez.

[Noleafclover]

If you haven't been limited at any books yet, then you shouldn't be worrying about whether or not you can get backers and dupe accounts in order to make massive MMA moniez.

Exactly... though I'm in the same position as Das Jax, and it's hard not to think ahead to the future, more work to be done before we can get to the point where its a

Edit: though I'm surprised to see you act like you've never thought about it/its impossible, MD... from your track record, and with all the times you say you've multiplied your bankroll, I'd be thinking very hard about this were I you.

[Das Jax]

If you haven't been limited at any books yet, then you shouldn't be worrying about whether or not you can get backers and dupe accounts in order to make massive MMA moniez.

Come now, I'm not trying to misrepresent myself here. I'm a pretty level-headed guy and I know that I won't be laying down 10k bets on UFC 170. Forget the duplicate accounts nonsense for now, what I'm intrigued by is the possibility. There aren't many other betting options out there that can be reliably beaten the way I think MMA can and I'm curious to see how far I can take it. As someone who thinks it's possible to get a 40% annual return (referencing your earlier $100,000 = $40,000 post), I'm surprised you're giving me so much flak.

[MD]

Come now, I'm not trying to misrepresent myself here. I'm a pretty level-headed guy and I know that I won't be laying down 10k bets on UFC 170. Forget the duplicate accounts nonsense for now, what I'm intrigued by is the possibility. There aren't many other betting options out there that can be reliably beaten the way I think MMA can and I'm curious to see how far I can take it. As someone who thinks it's possible to get a 40% annual return (referencing your earlier $100,000 = $40,000 post), I'm surprised you're giving me so much flak.

I am not giving you any flak. You should gamble for a while and gain some progress before you wonder about how much you can make in the long term, though; the number of people who ask those questions and then quit after two months outweighs the number of people who are profitable gamblers.

[Thor4140]

Pal, being honest. Yes I wanted to see that monkey Silva get starched. Also, he's getting starched again bad. What I really want is Silva fanboys to accept that shit. I want them to realize Silva can't beat homeboy. Weidman is the new king. He's gonna steamroll Silva worse than 1st time. Silva can "try" this time. Won't matter, he's getting squashed.

Rock i bet a little on Silva at the very end but i really wanted to see Weidman knock his head off. I loved what i saw but when i thought about it i was just pissed we didn't get a great fight. Weidman might knock his head off again but lets see a real fight this time. Losing a little on Silva but watching that scene the other night made the loss very bearable. I went back and forth and back and forth but i had to take Silva just cause he is Silva

[Thor4140]

I wasn't insulting you, I was insulting how ignorant most MMA bettors are.

or how some guys run around like they know everything but won't admit they won a fight that real fans got cheated. Their ego's are so big that they think they called the fight exactly the way it went down. It really is pathetic

[mmaed]

I think weidman did well in the fight. I cant waitto see the rematch. That will tell what was luck and what was not.

[Ron_Paul_2012]

Rock i bet a little on Silva at the very end but i really wanted to see Weidman knock his head off. I loved what i saw but when i thought about it i was just pissed we didn't get a great fight. Weidman might knock his head off again but lets see a real fight this time. Losing a little on Silva but watching that scene the other night made the loss very bearable. I went back and forth and back and forth but i had to take Silva just cause he is Silva

PM me your home address so that I can mail you a tin foil hat. Silva trained for 4 month in preparation for this fight. He knew there was a very good chance that he would lose. His so called clowning is essential for a # of reasons. Reason #1 Hand's down by his waist increases his take down defense. #2 It can create confusion in his opponents (they focus on what he is going to do to them instead of what their going to do to him) and disrupt's their rhythm. #3 It is used as a stalling tactic & to slow the pace of the fight (Anderson fights in a staccato rhythm). #4 He bait's his opponents because he is an amazing counter striker. What we seen last Saturday was the absolute best Anderson Silva that he can be at age 38. When they fight again Weidman will be victorious once again. I already mailed Javier Vasquez his tin foil hat. Anyone else who's interested just PM me your address & I'll get ya taken care of. Nuff said.