UFC 162 Silva Vs Weidman (July 06, 2013)

[Vaughany]

i feelz ya

[GunShard]

That's very true, but if I am laying enough money that Vegas is the only place that will take my bets (stateside) then I'm not too worried about if I can make a prop bet or not. ML would still yield enough profit. Also, I could still play the props online, just at a smaller amount. Obviously, one could profit much more with a massive roll and the ability to play props in Vegas, but in my mind, it's a marathon not a sprint. Just glad I have that option, ya know?

Which casino do you go to for MMA betting? I was considering going to MGM Grand.

[sideloaded]

Which casino do you go to for MMA betting? I was considering going to MGM Grand.

Lagasse sports stadium i heard is good for mma betting

[DSSCA]

Which casino do you go to for MMA betting? I was considering going to MGM Grand.

I never really shopped lines extensively while in Vegas. It was always my intent when I got there, but something in the air always hits me and I end up off the strip @ a bar that has one slot machine and a waitress named "Glen."

I do really like the Mirage book though. It's massive and the servers are usually on their game if you are in the back by the couches.
You heading out soon? My brother, who is a poker degenerate, will be out there in a few weeks. I'll ask him to shoot me some lines from different casinos and we can see who is posting the best line. Although, they usually roll out lines pretty late.

[Vaughany]

Which casino do you go to for MMA betting? I was considering going to MGM Grand.

[GunShard]

lol, hilarious movie.

[GunShard]

I never really shopped lines extensively while in Vegas. It was always my intent when I got there, but something in the air always hits me and I end up off the strip @ a bar that has one slot machine and a waitress named "Glen."

I do really like the Mirage book though. It's massive and the servers are usually on their game if you are in the back by the couches.
You heading out soon? My brother, who is a poker degenerate, will be out there in a few weeks. I'll ask him to shoot me some lines from different casinos and we can see who is posting the best line. Although, they usually roll out lines pretty late.

I'm planning to head out there in a few months. Just wanted to know if there were any significant differences between sportsbooks on payments and maximum wagers on MMA bets.

[NunyaBidness]

With a 100k bankroll, experience, discipline, skill, knowledge and a decent work ethic you should easily be able to hit 100k in a year.

LOL, no.

[mmaed]

LOL, no.

Why do you disagree? I made sixty percent this year already.

[sideloaded]

limits, and/or losing your outs

[mmaed]

It has always been my understanding that you dont get limited on pinnacle or bookmaker.

[sideloaded]

no but you cant get the volume there to make 100k

[Vaughany]

Why do you disagree? I made sixty percent this year already.

Is your bankroll anywhere near 100k tho?

My bankroll could be £100 and I could of doubled that. Doesnt mean the same would happen if I had 100k bankroll.

[mmaed]

My bankroll is 15k.

[mmaed]

no but you cant get the volume there to make 100k

The volume? I dont think thats correct. I dont thinks hard to get 10k on a fight if you split it up amongst a couple of books.

[sideloaded]

The volume? I dont think thats correct. I dont thinks hard to get 10k on a fight if you split it up amongst a couple of books.

I dunno why you dont believe people. I guess once you do it you can come back here and tell us how.

[Crassus]

You MIGHT be able to do it if you lived/went to vegas and bet most online books AND were finding fights that were off enough to make the line changes worthwhile couldn't you? Or would they just limit you quickly?

[mmaed]

Is your bankroll anywhere near 100k tho?

My bankroll could be £100 and I could of doubled that. Doesnt mean the same would happen if I had 100k bankroll.

I get what your saying. I think i could make 100 percent in a year just doing straight picks. Ive done better than that before without playing props of any kind. I played almost no underdogs and primarily favorites. Ive made 60 percent this year and in my opinion i am doing pretty shitty.

[mmaed]

I dunno why you dont believe people. I guess once you do it you can come back here and tell us how.

Well i havent heard anyone refute any of my points.

[Das Jax]

It's in relation to a conversation that Sheik and I had a little while back. He argued that making $40000 in a year with a $100000 starting bankroll, betting only on MMA, is not plausible, and I strongly disagreed.

<br><br>I'm glad this is being talked about because I've been thinking about this very subject all week. &nbsp;I've been in and out of MMA betting for the last four years or so (more out than in), but I've been getting into it hardcore lately (crunching numbers, doing research, etc.) and the way things are looking I'm finding myself absolutely convinced that betting MMA is a game that can be beat. The thing is, if one could even show JUST a 10-15% return, that person could easily attract investors. Then all he'd have to do would be to set up an arrangement that imitates a hedge fund business model (ie, risking investor money and taking a percentage of profits as compensation). This is obviously pretty ambitious... but it sure is fun to think about and, man... it really is possible. The key is research, safe bets and taking advantage of prop bet lines. Parlays are important as well. I don't think anyone who knows the sport (or takes the time to do the research) should have trouble picking out a series of -1000 bets that, in reality are quite a bit less likely than 1:10 would indicate (ie, so and so wins by submission for example). Parlaying five of those bad boys together yields a 50% return. Play a series of those to minimize risk and you're set. This is obviously a pretty boring play style, but if the objective is to make money with very little risk, who cares? The point is that it's possible! <br>
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Its def possible. My bankroll is 15k. I have made a sixty percent return this year and i have made a lot of dumb careless bets. I made 200 percent in about six months in 2011. Its all about putting in the work and finding mismatches. A guy on my regular board is up well over 200 percent for the year already. This placing reasonably bets by the way, generally not going over 15 percent of our bankrolls on any single. With a 100k bankroll, experience, discipline, skill, knowledge and a decent work ethic you should easily be able to hit 100k in a year. Discipline is the biggest thing in my opinion. Playing safer bets. Last weekend we had frankie edgar, edson barboza and mike pierce. How much of a chance die their opponents really have? All three straint at approximately ten percent of your bankroll per bet would yield a 6 percent return. That would be 6k. Of course hindsight is 20/20 but you get the idea. If you can generally come out ahead on very ufc/bellator/wsof all your missing is 100k. Of course thats a lot of money lol.

Where else do you post? If there's another forum where people take this shit seriously, I'd definitely like to know about it.

[mmaed]

You MIGHT be able to do it if you lived/went to vegas and bet most online books AND were finding fights that were off enough to make the line changes worthwhile couldn't you? Or would they just limit you quickly?

I dont think you need to be in vegas. You just need to be outside the united states and have access to enough books to cover large bets.

[Crassus]

I'm glad this is being talked about because I've been thinking about this very subject all week. &nbsp;I've been in and out of MMA betting for the last four years or so (more out than in), but I've been getting into it hardcore lately (crunching numbers, doing research, etc.) and the way things are looking I'm finding myself absolutely convinced that betting MMA is a game that can be beat. The thing is, if one could even show JUST a 10-15% return, that person could easily attract investors. Then all he'd have to do would be to set up an arrangement that imitates a hedge fund business model (ie, risking investor money and taking a percentage of profits as compensation). This is obviously pretty ambitious... but it sure is fun to think about and, man... it really is possible. The key is research, safe bets and taking advantage of prop bet lines. Parlays are important as well. I don't think anyone who knows the sport (or takes the time to do the research) should have trouble picking out a series of -1000 bets that, in reality are quite a bit less likely than 1:10 would indicate (ie, so and so wins by submission for example). Parlaying five of those bad boys together yields a 50% return. Play a series of those to minimize risk and you're set. This is obviously a pretty boring play style, but if the objective is to make money with very little risk, who cares? The point is that it's possible!

It's also crazy illegal.

[Vaughany]

I get what your saying. I think i could make 100 percent in a year just doing straight picks. Ive done better than that before without playing props of any kind. I played almost no underdogs and primarily favorites. Ive made 60 percent this year and in my opinion i am doing pretty shitty.

And do you think you'd be able to deal with the swings when you've got thousands at stake rather than hundreds?

[mmaed]

And do you think you'd be able to deal with the swings when you've got thousands at stake rather than hundreds?

at would be the toughest part in my opinion. The mental part. I would have to be in a good state of mind.

[MD]

It's also crazy illegal.

It is?

[MD]

And do you think you'd be able to deal with the swings when you've got thousands at stake rather than hundreds?

People who gradually built their rolls will have the least issue with this, in my opinion. Especially if they've exercised good BRM.

[Das Jax]

Is your bankroll anywhere near 100k tho?

My bankroll could be £100 and I could of doubled that. Doesnt mean the same would happen if I had 100k bankroll.

I don't see how the size of the bank roll matters at all... the thing about odds and percentages is that they're completely scale-able. One obviously has to adjust the bet size, but a $100 winning bet that yields $30 would yield $3,000 if the amount bet was $10,000. Pretty simple, no?

Edit: hah, you guys type too fast.

[mmaed]

People who gradually built their rolls will have the least issue with this, in my opinion. Especially if they've exercised good BRM.

Discipline, experience, hard work. Its doable. If you can do it with a 2k bankroll you can really do it with a 100k bankroll depending on your type of bets.

[mmaed]

I don't see how the size of the bank roll matters at all... the thing about odds and percentages is that they're completely scale-able. One obviously has to adjust the bet size, but a $100 winning bet that yields $30 would yield $3,000 if the amount bet was $10,000. Pretty simple, no?

Edit: hah, you guys type too fast.

Exactly.

[Educ8d Degener8]

LOL... Just bet heavy chalk... Great strategy.

[Vaughany]

I don't see how the size of the bank roll matters at all... the thing about odds and percentages is that they're completely scale-able. One obviously has to adjust the bet size, but a $100 winning bet that yields $30 would yield $3,000 if the amount bet was $10,000. Pretty simple, no?

Edit: hah, you guys type too fast.

Im talking about the psychological side of things. It's amazing how many guys on here think they have got this shiit locked down because they go on a great run. Only have to look at Jesus' thread to see how quickly things can go south! (and he wasnt one who thought he was a know it all - he just went on an very bad run and lost majority of his profits).

[Vaughany]

LOL... Just bet heavy chalk... Great strategy.

haha parlay winnerz....simples

[MD]

I don't see how the size of the bank roll matters at all... the thing about odds and percentages is that they're completely scale-able. One obviously has to adjust the bet size, but a $100 winning bet that yields $30 would yield $3,000 if the amount bet was $10,000. Pretty simple, no?

Edit: hah, you guys type too fast.

Except, limits.

[Crassus]

It is?

They just shut-down a bill that was asking to allow it. There's a nevada law that doesn't allow you to make bets on behalf of others. There is a sports gambling hedge fund in Australia and there was one in England (that failed miserably.)

I'm pretty sure it's also a version of wire-fraud.

EDIT: I think he's saying theres enough sites out there to spread out the money to avoid limits. I'm not sure I buy that but it's possible. I haven't looked into it.

[Das Jax]

It's also crazy illegal.

I get what you're saying, but realize I'm not talking about somebody setting up a formal incorporated entity and printing out business cards. Frankly, I don't think it's needed. Just set up a straight-forward, completely transparent arrangement and work with people you trust. I don't know about you, but I know tons of money-minded salespeople types who would be totally into doing something like this if they could see a proven track record. Man, half of them would do it just to be able to impress their friends. It's nothing special to those of use who are used to it, but sports betting is an exotic thing to most people (especially MMA betting). Think about it. Money won betting on UFC events is infinitely cooler than money won betting on pork belly futures.