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whiptonSBR Hustler
- 02-23-13
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#36Comment -
PunisherINDSBR MVP
- 02-24-11
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#41well you dont think noons can win a dec. based on the initial bet and you stated it would be a rather unlikely fluke (maybe 10% more chance then a dec.) for him to win by TKO/KO so what youre really betting on is cerrone by dec., sub or tko/ko and i guess noons by sub right? think its a fair enough assumption that noons isnt subbing cerrone and u already have the str8 up cerrone bet...why not look for cerrone ITD then at a much better price then -530 right? cause based on the convo, it seems like thats really what youre betting on...even 2 single bets on cerrone by sub or cerrone by tko/ko would be more lucrative then not noons by dec...idk just throwing ideas out there...Comment -
MDSBR Hall of Famer
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#43Nah bro, let's hear him out. There's a lot about parlays that we still don't know, scientists aren't sure exactly how they work. Who knows what kind of wonders and mysteries they hold?Comment -
whiptonSBR Hustler
- 02-23-13
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#44im not going to debate betting styles.. BOL brothaComment -
MDSBR Hall of Famer
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VaughanySBR Aristocracy
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#46lol The value when betting straight-up moneyline is ok, but the value when putting in a parlay is averageComment -
SacreliciousSBR Hall of Famer
- 11-29-12
- 5984
#48Date: May 25, 2013
Location: Las Vegas, Nevada
Venue: MGM Grand Garden Arena
Broadcast: Pay-per-view, FX, Facebook
MAIN CARD (Pay-per-view, 10 p.m. ET)
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Cain Velasquez vs. Antonio Silva - for heavyweight title
Junior dos Santos vs. Mark Hunt
James Te Huna vs. Glover Teixeira
T.J. Grant vs. Gray Maynard
Donald Cerrone vs. KJ Noons
PRELIMINARY CARD (FX, 8 p.m. ET)
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Mike Pyle vs. Rick Story
Dennis Bermudez vs. Max Holloway
Colton Smith vs. Robert Whittaker
Khabib Nurmagomedov vs. Abel Trujillo
PRELIMINARY CARD (Facebook, 6:35 p.m. ET)
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Nah-Shon Burrell vs. Stephen Thompson
Brian Bowles vs. George Roop
Estevan Payan vs. Jeremy Stephens
@whipthecapper
Brian Bowles
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Striker/grappler
aggressive
ok striker
ok punching tech.
heavy handed
throws various punching combos
weak kicker
rarely kicks
> avg striker in the clinch
< avg head movement
> avg footwork
ok clinch td
ok shoot td
prefers to shoot for td
> avg clinch tdd
weak shoot sl or dl tdd
> avg top control
> avg jits
avg guard passing ability
> avg gnp
< avg guard
avg chin
> avg cardio
George Roop
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Striker/grappler
aggressive
ok striker
ok punching tech.
throws various punch/kick combos/ 1-2 or 1-2 kick mostly
ok kicker
> avg leg kicks
throws kicks to the legs/body/head
> avg striker in the clinch
< avg head movement
ok footwork
weak clinch td
avg shoot td
prefers to shoot for a DL against the cage
avg clinch tdd
weak shoot sl or dl tdd
> avg top control
< avg jits
weak guard passing ability
ok gnp/good elbows
avg guard/ active w/ strikes
< avg chin
ok cardio
Brian via KO or Dec
Confidemce meter: 6/10
What the Odds should be
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Brian Bowles -175
George Roop +140
Stephen Thompson
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switches stance
striker
aggressive
decent striker
> avg punching tech.
throws various punch/kick combos
good kicker
ok leg kicks
throws kicks to the leg/body/head
throws a variety of kicks
avg striker in the clinch
< avg head movement
> avg footwork
weak clinch td
weak shoot td
rarely attempts td
weak clinch trip tdd
weak shoot SL or DL tdd
weak top control
weak jits
weak guard passing ability
weak top control
weak gnp
weak guard
< avg chin
< avg cardio
Nah-shon Burrell
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Striker/grappler
aggressive
decent striker
heavy handed
decent punching tech.
throws various punching combos
avg kicker
> avg leg kicks
throws kicks to the legs/body/head
> avg striker in the clinch
> avg head movement
> avg footwork
ok clinch td/trip
> avg shoot td
prefers SL td against the cage
weak clinch tdd
weak shoot sl or dl tdd
> avg top control
weak jits
weak guard passing ability
ok gnp
< avg guard
< avg chin
> avg cardio
nah-shon burrell via dec
Confidence Meter: 5/10
what the odds should be
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Stephen Thompson +110
Nah-shon Burrell -130
Robert Whittaker (lacked footy)
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Striker
aggressive
decent striker
contact striker
ok punching tech.
throws various punch/kick combos
good kicker
decent leg kicks
throws kicks to the legs/body/head
avg striker in the clinch
avg head movement
avg footwork
weak clinch td
weak shoot td
doesn't attempt tds
weak clinch tdd
weak shoot sl or dl tdd
top control ???
< avg jits
guard passing ability
> avg gnp
avg guard
> avg chin
ok cardio
Colton Smith
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Grappler/striker
aggressive grappler/tentative counter strike
avg striker
contact striker
avg punching tech.
throws a 1-2 at most
avg kicker
> avg leg kicks
throws kicks to the legs/body
avg striker in the clinch/ looks for td
< avg head movement
> avg footwork
good clinch td
> avg shoot td
prefers DUH td in the clinch
< avg clinch tdd
< avg shoot sl or dl tdd
decent top control
ok jits
> avg guard passing ability
ok gnp
avg guard
< avg chin
> avg cardio
colton smith via sub 3rd rd
Confidence Meter: 5/10
What the odds should be
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Robert Whittaker+155
Colton Smith -180
Abel Trujillo
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Striker/Grappler
aggressive
> avg striker
> avg punching tech.
throws various punching combos
weak kicker
weak leg kicks
never kicks
< avg striker in clinch
ok head movement
ok footwork
decent clinch td
rarely shoots for td
prefers SL/DL td against the cage
avg clinch tdd
> avg shoot sl or dl tdd
ok top control
> avg jits
avg guard passing ability
decent gnp
< avg guard
> avg chin
decent cardio
Khabib Nurmagomedov
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aggressive grappler/counter striker
ok striker
< avg punching tech.
throws various punching combos
avg kicker
ok leg kicks
throws kicks to the legs/body/head
avg striker in the clinch
> avg head movement
ok footwork
good DUH clinch td/trip
decent shoot SL td
prefers to shoot for SL td
> avg clinch tdd
> avg shoot sl or dl tdd
ok top control
good jits
good guard passing ability
good gnp
> avg active guard
ok chin
ok cardio
Khabib Nurmagomedov via sub rd 1 or dec
Confidence meter:5.5/10
What the odds should be
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Khabib Nurmagomedov -300
Abel Trujillo +255
Dennis Bermudez
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Striker/grappler
aggressive
ok striker
ok punching tech.
heavy handed
throws a 1-2 or 1-1-2 combos
< avg kicker
avg leg kicks
throws kicks to the legs/body/head
ok striker in the clinch
> avg head movement
ok footwork
decent clinch td
decent shoot SL td
prefers DL against the cage
avg clinch tdd
> avg shoot sl or dl tdd
ok top control
> avg jits
> avg guard passing ability
ok gnp
< avg guard
< avg chin
ok cardio
Max Holloway
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Striker/grappler
aggressive
good striker
decent punching tech.
thorws various punch/kick combos
decent kicker
ok leg kicks
throws kicks to the legs/body/head
good striker in the clinch/ good body puncher
ok head movement
ok footwork
avg clinch td/trip
never shoots for td
prefers trips in from the clinch
weak clinch tdd
< avg shoot sl or dl tdd
avg top control
< avg jits
< avg guard passing ability
> avg gnp
avg active guard
ok chin
ok cardio
dennis bermudez via sub 1st round
Confidence Meter: 7/10
What the odds should be
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Dennis Bermudez -350
Max Holloway +290
Rick Story
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southpaw
Striker/grappler
aggressive
decent striker
heavy handed
ok punching tech.
throws various punching combos
> avg kicker
ok leg kicks
throws kicks to the legs/body
good striker in the clinch/ good body striker
avg head movement
avg footwork
decent clinch td
decent shoot SL td
prefers to shoot for a DL/SL td against the cage
avg clinch tdd
< avg shoot sl or dl tdd
ok top control
ok jits
> avg guard passing ability
deent gnp
> avg active guard
good chin
ok cardio
Mike Pyle
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Striker/grappler
ok striker
decent punching tech.
throws a 1-2 mostly
> avg kicker
> avg leg kicks
throws kicks to the legs/body
> avg striker in the clinch
< avg head movement
ok footwork
ok clinch td/trip
ok shoot td
prefers trip td from the clinch
weak clinch tdd
weak shoot sl or dl tdd
ok top control
decent jits
ok guard passing ability
decent gnp
decent active guard
weak chin
ok cardio
Rick Story via KO/TKO Rd 1
Confidence meter:6.5/10
What the odds should be
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Rick Story -250
Mike Pyle +210
Donald Cerrone
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Striker/grappler
aggressive
good striker
decent punching tech.
throws various punching combos/ 1-2 or 1-2 kick mostly
good kicker
good leg kicks
throws kicks to the legs/body/head
ok striker in the clinch/ good knees
weak head movement
avg footwork
< avg clinch trip td
decent shoot DL td
prefers to shoot for a DL td
< avg clinch tdd
< avg shoot sl or dl tdd
avg top control
ok jits
ok guard passing ability
decent gnp
decent active guard
ok chin
ok cardio
KJ Noons
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Striker
aggressive
decent striker
decent punching tech.
throws various punching combos
> avg kicker
ok leg kicks
throws kicks to the legs/body/head
> avg striker in the clinch/ good body punches
decent head movement ???
avg footwork
weak clinch td
< avg shoot td
rarely goes for td
prefers to shoot for a DL td
weak clinch tdd
weak shoot sl or dl tdd
weak top control
avg jits
weak guard passing ability
< avg gnp
< avg guard
decent chin
ok cardio
KJ Noons via Decision
Confidence meter: 4/10
What the odds should be
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Donald Cerrone -150
KJ Noons +125
Gray Maynard
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Striker/grappler
aggressive
decent striker
decent punching tech.
heavy handed
throws various punching combos
avg kicker ???
> avg leg kicks
throws kicks to the legs/head
ok striker in the clinch/good knees
> avg head movement
ok footwork
good clinch td
good shoot DL td
prefers to shoot for a DL td against the cage
avg clinch tdd
decent shoot sl or dl tdd
decent top control
> avg jits
> avg guard passing ability
decent gnp
< avg guard
ok chin
ok cardio
TJ Grant
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Striker/grappler
aggressive
decent striker
decent punching tech.
throws various punching ccombos
> avg kicker
ok leg kicks
throws kicks to the legs/body/head
good striker in the clinch/good knees & elbows
> avg head movement
> avg footwork
ok clinch td
ok shoot td
prefers to shoot for a DL/knee tap td
< avg clinch tdd
weak shoot sl or dl tdd
> avg top control
decent jits
decent guard passing ability
ok gnp
decent active guard/good sweeps
good chin
ok cardio
Gray Maynard via Decision
Confidence Meter: 6.5/10
What the odds should be
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Gray Maynard -250
TJ Grant +200
Glover Teixeira
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Striker/grappler
aggressive
good striker
heavy handed
ok punching tech.
throws various punching combos
> avg kicker
> avg leg kicks
throws kicks to the legs/body/head
ok striker in the clinch
> avg head movement
avg footwork
avg clinch td
decent shoot td
prefers to shoot for SL/DL td
> avg clinch tdd
> avg shoot sl or dl tdd
decent top control
good jits
good guard passing ability
good gnp
guard ??? no one has put him on his back in 16 fights
decent chin
decent cardio
James Te Huna
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Striker/grappler
aggressive
good striker
heavy handed
good hand speed
good punching tech.
throws various punching combos
avg kicker
> avg leg kicks
throws kicks to the legs/body/head
avg striker in the clinch
> avg head movement
> avg footwork
decent clinch td
ok shoot SL td
prefers high-c td against the cage
< avg clinch tdd
avg shoot sl or dl tdd
decent top control
ok jits
ok guard passing ability
good gnp
< avg guard
< avg chin
ok cardio
Glover Texiera via KO/TKO/SUB Round 1
Confidence Meter: 6.5/10
What the Odds should be
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Glover Texiera -250
James Te Huna +210
Mark Hunt
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Striker/grappler
aggressive
good striker
heavy handed
decent punching tech.
throws various punching combos
ok kicker
good leg kicks
throws kicks to the legs/body/head
ok striker in the clinch/good knees
avg head movement
avg footwork
ok clinch td
< avg shoot td
prefers DUH td/trips in the clinch
weak clinch tdd
weak shoot sl or dl tdd
avg top control
ok jits
> avg guard passing ability
decent gnp
avg guard
good chin
avg cardio
Junior Dos Santos
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Striker
aggressive
good striker
heavy handed
decent punching tech.
throws various punching combos
> avg kicker
ok leg kicks
throws kicks to the legs/body/head
rarely kicks
> avg striker in the clinch/good body punches
avg head movement
ok footwork
> avg clinch td
> avg shoot td
prefers DUH trips in the clinch
rarely attempts tds
> avg clinch tdd
avg shoot sl or dl tdd
< avg top control
weak jits
weak guard passing ability
> avg gnp
weak guard
decent chin
> avg cardio
Mark Hunt via KO round 3
Confidence Meter:5/10
What the Odds Should be
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JDS -200
Hunt +165
Cain Velasquez
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Striker/grappler
aggressive
good striker
good punching tech.
throws various punching combos/ 1-2 kick favored
decent kicker
decent leg kicks
throws kicks to the legs/body/head
good striker in the clinch/good activity & variety
good head movement
ok footwork
good clinch td
good shoot td
prefers to shoot for a SL/DL td
> avg clinch tdd
ok shoot sl or dl tdd
good top control
> avg jits
ok guard passing ability
plus gnp
guard ???
> avg chin
good cardio
Antonio Silva
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Striker/grappler
aggressive
good striker
heavy handed
ok punching tech.
throws various punching combos
ok kicker
good leg kicks
throws kicks to the legs/body/head
ok striker in the clinch
weak head movement
avg footwork
ok clinch td/trip
decent shoot td
prefers to shoot for a DL td
weak clinch tdd
weak shoot sl or dl tdd
decent top control
decent jits
decent guard passing ability
good gnp
avg guard
avg chin
decent cardio
cain velasquez via tko round 2
confidence meter: 8/10
what the odds should be
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Cain Velasquez -650
Antonio Silva +500
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whiptonSBR Hustler
- 02-23-13
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#51How can I compete with your ever so informative thread ???Comment -
PunisherINDSBR MVP
- 02-24-11
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VaughanySBR Aristocracy
- 03-07-10
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#55lolComment -
whiptonSBR Hustler
- 02-23-13
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mirinquadsSBR MVP
- 04-22-13
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sideloadedSBR Hall of Famer
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#60dude this is a shit show, everyone think this is ufc 160 thread nowComment -
whiptonSBR Hustler
- 02-23-13
- 60
#66How do I post a pic in my avatar ?? It's not working for me.Comment -
whiptonSBR Hustler
- 02-23-13
- 60
#68Comment -
Tommy BlingshyneSBR Wise Guy
- 12-11-12
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#69tommy, maybe I didn't explain it great, but I actually give noons 0% chance of sub. i'd say 10% itd, either in the form of a flash ko, or fluke injury. 10% chance he wins a decision. put it this way, I like cerrone SU most of all. by playing the -530, i'm still getting cerrone SU for all intents and purposes, and I get a little more coverage in case of a flash ko/fluke injury.Comment -
PunisherINDSBR MVP
- 02-24-11
- 4980
#70thats why im saying...noons not by dec. means youre betting on cerrone by dec, tko/ko, sub as well as noons by sub, tko/ko all in one bet...noons by dec. would be graded as a loss according to that specific prop...according to what you said, you give noons zero chance at a sub and only 10% chance at a ko/tko...so basically theres pretty much nothing noons can do to help you win your bet according to your analysis, save for a very small chance (10%) via flukey injury or flash KO...so basically, to win your bet, according to what you think, youre really banking on cerrone finishing noons or winning a decision...since you already have cerrone straight up, why not take cerrone ITD +135 odds (5D) or wait till the specific prop odds come out for a tko/ko or sub and play those for even bigger + odds? as opposed to -530 odds...you dont think noons can sub cerrone, you dont think noons can decision cerrone and you only give noons a 10% chance to possible ko him...that pretty much only leaves cerrone by finish or decision...either of those props (itd, tko/ko or sub) would pay out far better then a -530 not noons by dec bet....if you gave noons a real chance at a ko/tko or a sub, this -530 bet would have more sense, but you only give a small fluke chance of a ko/tko and zero chance of a sub...so why make a bet that includes those outcomes if they dont even provide any value to you?Comment
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