Alex Caceres -120

[NunyaBidness]

Haven't seen any real info outside of what's posted on the intrade site. I assume cooperating with the US, like everyone else does.

[PunisherIND]

whoa whoa dont ever penetrate with kobe/wagyu like that. That is penetrating blasphemy
korean marinades were designed to cover up cheap/unfresh cuts off meat. The marinades are very strong to hide any unpleasant flavors. I think the marinades are so strong that meat can sit in it unrefrigerated for quite some time. A lot of korean food is like this -- comes from a time of many poor peasants and it allowed the cheap food to be tasty and well preserved
Usually when you are using such a great ingredient, you want to keep the prep and seasonings and simple ass possible, so you can actually taste what you paid for!!

I thought korean style was just grilling the meat and eat with lettuce and white rice (optional). But I guess you're right, they do marinate the meat.

[Grabaka]

Sorry, what is intrade?

[NunyaBidness]

Sorry, what is intrade?

A betting exchange where you could only bet on non-sporting events, elections, oscars, financial markets, popery, etc. They get lots of news for being a predictor of elections and are a useful tool for determing market prices. They were allegedly legal, whereas sportsbetting is not in the US.


They ran afoul of US law, by offering unregulated securities market, and left the US market a couple of months ago. I assume this is related.

[Grabaka]

Like non-sport betfair? wow coolio

[Sacrelicious]

For any steak of a reasonable quality, there is absolutely no reason to marinade it, in fact its hugely detrimental, and hell, half the marinades just burn on the grill.

Oil, season with kosher salt and a bit of pepper. If you can find a decent blend of montreal steak spice, use some on the grill to aid in the caramelization and layer the seasoning as you turn it. Thats about all these is too it.

Of course, you can always serve it with any number of sauces, toppings, etc, but for the actual cooking process, less is really more in this case.

[Sacrelicious]

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Bought some Kobe Chef.....what should be done with it?

Its like not real Kobe, in fact I almost guarantee you it is not, but there are imitation producers that still make an excellent product. Just like I said in the above post, oil, season, grill, do not overcomplicate it at all. Some montreal steak spice if you want, and can find some good stuff, less is always more with good beef.

[Sacrelicious]

Nothing for an angus steak fillet?

Nunya essentially said it. Just as noted, make sure you are using kosher salt, no reason to ever use "table salt", or god forbid "iodized salt", for anything. The peppercorn sauce I mentioned is also nice, so is everything Nunya listed.

Of those theres more classical approaches like Bordelaise or Demi Glace, which are awesome, and Demi can be a sick base for a peppercorn sauce as well, but those can take literally over 24 hours to prepare.

[Sacrelicious]

I did what you said Sac and got me a fine Japanese knife, is this what you meant?

[Grabaka]

I have no kosher salt but i have pink peruvian salt and black and white truffle salt. Which one?

[Grabaka]

Its like not real Kobe, in fact I almost guarantee you it is not, but there are imitation producers that still make an excellent product. Just like I said in the above post, oil, season, grill, do not overcomplicate it at all. Some montreal steak spice if you want, and can find some good stuff, less is always more with good beef.

[Sacrelicious]

Yep, saw that yesterday. Luckily they kicked me and my money out first.

Why was intrade shut down? God damnit... I was just starting to learn how to follow it.

[Sacrelicious]

I have no kosher salt but i have pink peruvian salt and black and white truffle salt. Which one?

I would not use truffle salt on beef, have never tried peruvian salt.. I'm assuming it would also fall into the "finishing salt" category.

Kosher salt is about 2$/box.

Speaking of salts, anyone ever had alder smoked salt? I had some come in the mail the other week, its unreal.

[TheCalculator]

KOBE'S BACK!

http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolmsted/2012/09/28/kobe-beef-is-back-new-rules-allow-some-japanese-beef-in-u-s/

[Imsmarterthanu]

real kobe beef is like $350-400 per pound i would feel guilty taking a bite

[NunyaBidness]

KOBE'S BACK!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/larryolm...e-beef-in-u-s/

Yeah, that's linked to in the article I posted.

I still don't think they've changed the labeling laws for "kobe" though, and can still pretty much call whatever they want kobe.

[Sacrelicious]

Yeah, that's linked to in the article I posted.

I still don't think they've changed the labeling laws for "kobe" though, and can still pretty much call whatever they want kobe.

I'm really not sure what the laws are like in the states for labeling meat, I know up here in Canada you need to be careful.

Easy example is "Angus" beef, without the very specific label that says "Certified Angus" (which only applies to less then 5% of "angus" beef in Canada), the term is absolutely meaningless. Etc.

[gabe]

Did you use kosher salt? Table salt will be too much.

nah, didn't have kosher

[gabe]

Nunya essentially said it. Just as noted, make sure you are using kosher salt, no reason to ever use "table salt", or god forbid "iodized salt", for anything. The peppercorn sauce I mentioned is also nice, so is everything Nunya listed.

Of those theres more classical approaches like Bordelaise or Demi Glace, which are awesome, and Demi can be a sick base for a peppercorn sauce as well, but those can take literally over 24 hours to prepare.

lol i actually used iodized salt... dont know the dif

[Sacrelicious]

Iodized salt is never to be used for anything,

Get some kosher salt, its 2-3$/box.

[The iron sheik]

I haven't seen this cultish behavior. Please provide examples.

Well, I'm a week late but...

Of course it's a cultish behaviour based click, just like any other miracle diet there is or ever will be. It's highly suggestive that it's some health diet, when optimum nutrition depends on various things like age, race, genetics, gender, consumption etc.

The science and the claims behind it are also very dubious. Even the notion of suggesting there's some paleolithic ideal of food seems kind of laughable. I'd also be interested in heating why did evolution stop in relation to digestion, since everything seems to point to the exact contrary?

Not to be a hater if it suits one's needs, that's just fine! Certainly better than shoving fistfuls of starch up your ass.

[NunyaBidness]

The science and the claims behind it are also very dubious. Even the notion of suggesting there's some paleolithic ideal of food seems kind of laughable. I'd also be interested in heating why did evolution stop in relation to digestion, since everything seems to point to the exact contrary?

No one is claiming that digestive evolution has stopped, but that biological evolution takes several millenia for anything to change, while it's only been 10,000 years since the move toward agriculture instead of hunting/gathering. And worse still, our diet has changed even faster over the last 100 years, with the rate of change increasing. My nephews eat worse than the kids I grew up with, and we ate worse than our parents did.

All the scientific research supports the idea that agriculture (i.e. grains) have weakened us biologically.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/06/110615094514.htm

[JamesKim]

I thought korean style was just grilling the meat and eat with lettuce and white rice (optional). But I guess you're right, they do marinate the meat.

There's marinade for cheaper meats, but more expensive meats are just cooked on a grill unmarinated, with some really light stuff for dipping if desired. Korean BBQ has a huge variety, IMO one of the best ways to eat meat.

[JamesKim]

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[The iron sheik]

No one is claiming that digestive evolution has stopped, but that biological evolution takes several millenia for anything to change, while it's only been 10,000 years since the move toward agriculture instead of hunting/gathering.

I'm sorry but that's just absurd, and isn't really based on anything else than fiction. Also, you're basically discussing this because of an idea that was made in the 70's.

It's similarly as absurd to talk about evolution in relation to lactose and gluten intolerance, which at least seem to be generally a claim made in relation to the paleo diet. I guess I could say some common allergies like seafood allergies, nut allergies (these as I understand are the most "popular" allergies) are evidence of these foodstuffs being unfit for humans because "evolution says so", but that'd be ridiculous.

There's also the fact that while medical science is of course the biggest contributor, as are living conditions, human average age has over doubled from those times. You can even have a modern example of the japs, who eat pretty much a high carbohydrate diet that goes against the very fundamendals of this paleo diet, and still seem to live longer, and healthier. Perhaps that can be attributed to genetics, perhaps it's the fish they eat, whatever though. Depending on where your ancestors lived in the paleolithic era, they probably died at age 40. Question remains, did they drop their teeth before age 30 because of scurvy, kind of remains.

And worse still, our diet has changed even faster over the last 100 years, with the rate of change increasing. My nephews eat worse than the kids I grew up with, and we ate worse than our parents did.

"Our diet", I'd like to hear what that is.

Modern diets, at least in the western world, aren't dictated by necessity but by preference and the fact there is a choice. Just because your nephews eat worse (which isn't nice to hear by the way), hardly means you can draw quidelines of any kind from it. I do eat and live healthier than my parents (I plan on not dying in need of a triple bypass), that's hardly any indication of anything else than my choice to do so.

All the scientific research supports the idea that agriculture (i.e. grains) have weakened us biologically.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...0615094514.htm

"All the scientific research"...now you're being ridiculous.

[NunyaBidness]

"Our diet", I'd like to hear what that is.

Modern diets, at least in the western world, aren't dictated by necessity but by preference and the fact there is a choice. Just because your nephews eat worse (which isn't nice to hear by the way), hardly means you can draw quidelines of any kind from it. I do eat and live healthier than my parents (I plan on not dying in need of a triple bypass), that's hardly any indication of anything else than my choice to do so.

Do you know what anecdotal evidence means?

Are you seriously going to argue that present day diets are not worse than in the recent past? Do you think the soaring childhood obesity rates are coming from the absorption of cosmic rays?

[NunyaBidness]

"All the scientific research"...now you're being ridiculous.

Please find me papers from respected anthropologists where they claim the opposite.

[Vaughany]

Diet wars

[NunyaBidness]

It's similarly as absurd to talk about evolution in relation to lactose and gluten intolerance, which at least seem to be generally a claim made in relation to the paleo diet. I guess I could say some common allergies like seafood allergies, nut allergies (these as I understand are the most "popular" allergies) are evidence of these foodstuffs being unfit for humans because "evolution says so", but that'd be ridiculous.

I don't think you understand what evolution is.

You also seem to have no understanding of what paleolithic man was like.

Average lifespan was mid-fifties, assuming they survived childhood. After agriculture that number drops precipitously, until modern medicine sets in.

Also: "In the Palaeolithic people have fairly healthy teeth with almost no caries, but in the Neolithic there is an increased use of plant foods which contain carbohydrates, so there is an increased caries rates. Neolithic teeth are also more worn down and pitted owing to hard inclusions from poorly ground-up flour."

http://www.nature.com/ejcn/journal/v56/n12/full/1601646a.html

[Sacrelicious]

Early death due to obesity is an evolutionary correction mechanism to account for the introduction of highly processed carbohydrates being introduced into the mainstream diet, I suspect.

I think your a cool guy Sheik, but I believe you are highly incorrect in these last few posts. Its all good though.

[JamesKim]

Early death due to obesity is an evolutionary correction mechanism to account for the introduction of highly processed carbohydrates being introduced into the mainstream diet, I suspect.

I think your a cool guy Sheik, but I believe you are highly incorrect in these last few posts. Its all good though.

How can there be an evolutionary correction mechanism when it doesn't stop people from breeding? The fat poor people seems to breed more for some reason, if anything the gene pool is getting worse.

[Sacrelicious]

Ack, I remembered I was goint to post a couple simple but excellent pasta recipes here yesterday, but I was working and it slipped my mind, sorry MD.

Anyway, here are some fun ones that you can make at home with minimal difficulty. As much as I like my traditional pastas (Carbonara, Puttanesca, Bolognese, Amatriciana, etc) these all have something a little quirky about them, and are all very simple to make. Post to follow momentarily.

[Sacrelicious]

How can there be an evolutionary correction mechanism when it doesn't stop people from breeding? The fat poor people seems to breed more for some reason, if anything the gene pool is getting worse.

I REALLY dont feel the need to justify anything I say to you, that comment was directed at Nunya, Sheik, or anyone else here intelligent who wishes to engage in conversation.

[varkolek]

You can even have a modern example of the japs, who eat pretty much a high carbohydrate diet that goes against the very fundamendals of this paleo diet, and still seem to live longer, and healthier. Perhaps that can be attributed to genetics, perhaps it's the fish they eat, whatever though.

People can try to be as educated as possible, and still have opposed views on stuff. The only diet you can prove is the healthiest is the Okinawan's (type of Japanese), but that's not specifically due to what they eat but because they eat less than any other culture. Calorie restriction is the best way to extend lifespan.

Yeah they eat a lot of fish. Just the other day I was reading the blog of someone who had been on the Paleo diet and got off, and he was saying the kind of phytates found in rice are associated with decreased risk of cardiovascular disease and cancer and such.

I do know that some phytates are documented to be good for you. The problem with some adherents of the Paleo diet is they run with certain ideas. Like rice contains phytates, and so do nightshade plants (potatoes, chillis, tomatoes, tomatillos, eggplants, capsicum) so according to them it follows that nightshade plants should be avoided. It's possible they should be, but I find it pretty dubious.

Of course, I haven't looked into the Paleo diet in an academic sense, haven't read any books or official documents, just the internet bloggers who want an audience.

Modern diets, at least in the western world, aren't dictated by necessity but by preference and the fact there is a choice

Not so much choice as how you're programmed. Populations (including animals) will naturally eat a grain-based diet as opposed to leafy greens, if given the choice, because the grains are more energy rich. So actually it's a natural inclination to eat grains.

Ignoring the antinutrients like gluten though, it's impossible to argue that diet is better for you, because it leads to an improper balance of Omega 6 to Omega 3. Fresh greens contain more Omega 3, but these don't store well since the Omega 3 oxidises more rapidly.

I can handle rice with no problem, but I'm probably feeling my best when I eat a lot of salads.

Also, I've mentioned it before but 85% of diabetics are in the developing world because they eat predominantly starchy food. So people take the stance that calories should come from fats rather than carbs. Apparently the Mediterranean diet involves the majority of energy coming from monounsaturated fat (olive oil). At the same time, I read some information recently suggesting a link between too much saturated animal fat and cancer.

You can only monitor your body and try to be educated, and if you have a serious ailment you have to be more rigorous. It's hard to say definitively what's optimal. Some people smoke and live to over 100.

[JamesKim]

I REALLY dont feel the need to justify anything I say to you, that comment was directed at Nunya, Sheik, or anyone else here intelligent who wishes to engage in conversation.

LAWL LOLOLOL.

Out of every f0cker I've told was a spineless parasitic phaggot who got no opinion of their own, you are the worst. Every thread involves you sucking someone off while telling them how great they are and how much you suck. Don't worry son, I'm not offended by anything you say, cause I percieve your opinion like I do most b1tches, useless and inconsistent.