UFC on Fuel TV 8: Sliva Vs Stann (March 02, 2013)

[Kaffe]

+1150??? Where??

Or was that live?

5dimes. Wand ITD was at +799. Both were available prefight. Absolutely nuts.

[PunisherIND]

FOTN = Wand/Silva KOTN = WAND and Hunt

Anyone notice how 5d subtly removed the option for "no ko's" and "no subs"? worked nice for them as there were no subs.

[PunisherIND]

I almost bet Wandy after round 1 on the live lines, he was still like +260 or +280 I think.

Can't complain too much, hit that big Wandy inside distance bet, even if it was small change. Made the fight way more exciting for me given those exchanges.

wand was +300 on bovada after round 1. Some great live lines last night. Gomi +200 after round 1 (lost, but I think it was a good bet). Hunt +240 after rd 1. Okami +100 after rd 2.

[SportsPedagogy]

+1150??? Where??

Or was that live?

Wand to get KOTN was +1200

[Sacrelicious]

wand was +300 on bovada after round 1. Some great live lines last night. Gomi +200 after round 1 (lost, but I think it was a good bet). Hunt +240 after rd 1. Okami +100 after rd 2.

Was tempted to take Wand live, but I had a hedge on him by KO, so I was at least covered there and still confident Stann would pull off something.

Shouldve arbed out on Hunt, but live and learn. I find myself checking live lines constantly, theres a ton of value and arb potential there.

[Sacrelicious]

Wand to get KOTN was +1200

Dammmn, were you able to hit it?

[PunisherIND]

Dammmn, were you able to hit it?

Wouldn't you rather get tko @ +1150?

[SportsPedagogy]

Dammmn, were you able to hit it?

I put a unit on it... I had a pretty lucky night, I still think Sanchez lost, but I was pretty heavy on it, so ill take it.

[Rubber Guard]

Struve has never used his length well and kept guys away from his chin. I was impressed with his chin last night. Not sure why everyone is acting like Struve had such a bad gameplan. He never has good one, but he was on the ground a lot and grabbed Hunt back into his guard when Hunt was trying to walk away. His length is freaky. If Struve was half the BJJ fighter or Hunt was half as bad as Struve backers thought....Struve would have sub'd him. He had his chances.

[SportsPedagogy]

Struve has never used his length well and kept guys away from his chin. I was impressed with his chin last night. Not sure why everyone is acting like Struve had such a bad gameplan. He never has good one, but he was on the ground a lot and grabbed Hunt back into his guard when Hunt was trying to walk away. His length is freaky. If Struve was half the BJJ fighter or Hunt was half as bad as Struve backers thought....Struve would have sub'd him. He had his chances.

He looked really gassed. The second time he had hint mounted and was pounding away, Hunt put his arm up to block, which should have lead to an easy armbar, but Struve grabbed and just fell back. If he would have just kept tight, he would have had it, instead he left too much space and Hunt easily sat up. Struve has way better technique than that, so I really think we was just gassed.

[Vaughany]

yeah, lol'ed when he went for an armbar but forgot to actually grab the arm! Kinda important me thinks

[Rubber Guard]

He looked really gassed. The second time he had hint mounted and was pounding away, Hunt put his arm up to block, which should have lead to an easy armbar, but Struve grabbed and just fell back. If he would have just kept tight, he would have had it, instead he left too much space and Hunt easily sat up. Struve has way better technique than that, so I really think we was just gassed.

Can never expect 265lb + HWs to have any sort of cardio. Does he have better technique? Maybe, but it isn't like he has sub'd even decent grapplers much. His bread and butter is in his length. It is almost not fair how much longer he was than Hunt. A few times Hunt had to jump and punch. It was comical. Struve would pull him back into his guard sitting down while Hunt was on 2 feet.

He has length, and Hunt's powerful, stocky build and short limbs helped him sneak out. I think everyone overrated Struve's sub skills. He is a freak with some skill, he isn't Rickson Gracie. The only guy out of the long list of guys to sub Hunt that was worse than Struve on the ground was McCorkle....and that fight is almost irrelevant. Hunt is a better striker and a better grappler than Lavar or Barry. I said it before the fight.

[Rubber Guard]

People say oh Struve you dumbass. But Hunt fought just as dumb. He jumped into his guard multiple times. Struve has never used his length well anyway. But he had plenty of time on the ground to do what he does. He just wasn't good enough. He has limited takedowns as well. Most of the time on the ground was because Hunt for some reason didn't mind to try and pass guard or sit on top. Struve has a pulling of guard...that is about the only way he can use his 7th degree BB BJJ.

I also think people forget how slow Struve is. He is so tall that his motions are just slow. It is the Tim Sylvia effect. Struve even with his length is very easy to hit.

[Vaughany]

yeah both had multiple wtf moments

[NunyaBidness]

Wand to get KOTN was +1200

+1500 if you know where to look.

[NunyaBidness]

Haven't read the thread yet, did anybody else manage to be on the wrong side of every bad decision last night?

I'm trying to get a withdrawal from my sklanskybucks.com account, but can't figure out how.

[Beelzebubzy]

Haven't read the thread yet, did anybody else manage to be on the wrong side of every bad decision last night?

I'm trying to get a withdrawal from my sklanskybucks.com account, but can't figure out how.

Sanchez was the only bad decision I got

Japan judging is a concern

[NunyaBidness]

Those judges cost me $7,592 last night. I am the world's saddest boy.

[NunyaBidness]

Someone combine these into a photoshop for me please.

These names:

http://mmadecisions.com/decision.jsp?id=4057

This picture:

[SportsPedagogy]

Struve's X-ray

[Vaughany]

[omalley21]

Haven't read the thread yet, did anybody else manage to be on the wrong side of every bad decision last night?

I'm trying to get a withdrawal from my sklanskybucks.com account, but can't figure out how.

LOL me. I had caraway, kang, and gomi. Last week I had fodor and grice. I forget what its like to win a split decision.

[Vaughany]

...

[Sykes]

Someone combine these into a photoshop for me please.

These names:

http://mmadecisions.com/decision.jsp?id=4057

This picture:

[NunyaBidness]

Perfect!

[Imsmarterthanu]

Struve's X-ray

Is there supposed to be a giant crack on the top of your forehead

[Beelzebubzy]

Is there supposed to be a giant crack on the top of your forehead

Where is our resident dr to answer this?

[MMAbetMASTA]

93261833-1	3/2/2013 2:31 AM	Money Line	40.00	62.00	Pregame Sports 24105 M Hunt +155 for Game
93261870-1	3/2/2013 3:03 AM	Money Line	144.00	120.00	Pregame Sports 24117 M Hirota -120 for Game
93261882-1	3/2/2013 3:16 AM	Money Line	115.00	100.00	Pregame Sports 24126 B TAVARES -115 for Game
93290785-1	3/2/2013 7:10 PM	Money Line	57.50	50.00	Pregame Sports 24134 K Tokudome -115 for Game
93290785-2	3/2/2013 7:10 PM	Money Line	55.00	50.00	Pregame Sports 24137 K H Kang -110 for Game

93301854-1	3/2/2013 9:53 PM	Money Line	108.35	55.00	Pregame Sports 24122 D H Kim -197 for Game
93301923-1	3/2/2013 9:53 PM	Money Line	108.35	55.00	Pregame Sports 24122 D H Kim -197 for Game

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3/3/2013 0:06 AM

Money Line

20.00

49.00

Pregame Sports 24101 W Silva +245 for Game

Decent night last night, much better than last weekend thankfully. Profited 172, woulda shoulda coulda been 272 had I not gotten the bad decision on kang.

Lots of questionable decisions last night. I know mma websites are just opinions / not too be taken too seriously, but this website I've been checking out makes it easy to see the majority consensus on mma scoring - mmadecisions.com

For the Kang fight 7 of 8 mainstream mma sites scored it unanimously for kang. http://mmadecisions.com/decision.jsp?id=4050 In the Gomi fight, all mainstream mma sites scored it for gomi - http://mmadecisions.com/decision.jsp?id=4057 . Caraway / mizugaki it was pretty closehttp://mmadecisions.com/decision.jsp?id=4052 (personally I had it for takeya, but def see the argument for caraway and I feel for those who lost on that great line value).

And however lombard got a judges nod is pretty scary...

Anyways, I thought it was a pretty legit show overall with regard to entertainment.. wand's fight with stann couldn't have played out more perfectly that was awesome. Good for wand and stann, a true war of wills.

Sounds like most people did fairly well for this event, congrats to the winners

[MMAbetMASTA]

Struve's X-ray

Damnnnn.... clean break.. that's got to hurt.

[sideloaded]

brian cann should be cut using that stupid ass game plan.

[Sykes]

brian cann should be cut using that stupid ass game plan.

That was a good fight, people who have good fights should not be cut. Had this same discussion yesterday about Struve. Cut the likes of Guida/Sanchez for putting on shit fights constantly.

[bogbat]

^^ I doubt that was his game plan. Like many other fighters, he idolized Wanderlei and got caught up in the moment of fighting Wandy's fight to please his opponent and the fans.

I'm a bit late in posting this, but I got absolutely raped by the bad decisions this weekend: I had plays on Kang, Caraway and Gomi. Then I got frustrated and chased on Stan inside distance, and we all know how that worked out.

[Rubber Guard]

I bet that WAS his gameplan. I bet Greg Jackson even came up with it. They probably said, he wants to brawl...lets brawl. They figured, like linesmakers, like bettors, like fans that Stann hit harder and Wandy had much less of a chin.

Stann is a Marine that did high level things overseas. I'm sure he doesn't have a hard time sticking to a gameplan that was practiced over 2 months of training. He came forward and wanted to throw...that is what he always does. Stann's footwork and overall technique is being overrated for some reason. He comes out and throws fists and KO's lesser fighters. He isn't some cerebral fighter.

[Vaughany]

I bet that WAS his gameplan. I bet Greg Jackson even came up with it. They probably said, he wants to brawl...lets brawl. They figured, like linesmakers, like bettors, like fans that Stann hit harder and Wandy had much less of a chin.

Stann is a Marine that did high level things overseas. I'm sure he doesn't have a hard time sticking to a gameplan that was practiced over 2 months of training. He came forward and wanted to throw...that is what he always does. Stann's footwork and overall technique is being overrated for some reason. He comes out and throws fists and KO's lesser fighters. He isn't some cerebral fighter.

didnt spend anytime at Jackson's leading up to the fight and didnt have Jackson in his corner from what I saw.

The only time Stann fought really smart was in the rematch against Cantwell where he was constantly moving and frustrating Cantwell. That was more because his job was on the line

[Rubber Guard]

didnt spend anytime at Jackson's leading up to the fight and didnt have Jackson in his corner from what I saw.

The only time Stann fought really smart was in the rematch against Cantwell where he was constantly moving and frustrating Cantwell. That was more because his job was on the line

Perhaps it is a bad conspiracy and that simply was the reason why it was a good fight. But I'm sure Stann felt like most people that he had a much better chin and more power.

Either way Stann sort of is a brawler anyway. He isn't some technical wizard.