UFC on FUEL TV 5: Struve vs. Miocic

[DeFactoCrippler]

Sure i think it's possible to make a living from gambling. I've been doing it for the past 2 years. At this point, i almost exclusively bet mma. Well, 90% I would say. I use 2 books and have never been limited at either. I think the large books accept the fact they are going to have some winners and are okay with that.

Thanks bro. I don't doubt it's possible, but how common do you think it is? I'm also curious as to what is needed in order to go pro. Like if you don't mind sharing..

1. What type bet size do you think is necessary to make 50k plus a year? Because I noticed you posted a 16k ticket on JDS straight. Because I don't doubt someone can make good money winning large straight bets.

The point I was making earlier was that Fury could not be making what he says because he doesn't bet enough. Because when he loses, he makes claims of making it back in live betting. There is no way in hell you can recoup anything close to 16k from live betting.

2. More importantly what kind of bankroll is needed for this?

Because this is just the "logisitics" of it, and it eliminates most would-be pro gamblers and we haven't even gotten down to finding +EV plays yet.

[DeFactoCrippler]

I think its possible defacto...after all i have made more than 3000 this month and im fishcakes.

3k per month is only 36k per year. Plus you could never go on a cold streak. Fury aint moving out of his mothers basement on 36k.

[MD]

What sports other than MMA are good for gambling on? What would be a good supplementary sport to bet on on the side? I'm not sure if I have time for another sport, but I've always wondered this. NFL seems quite good, while boxing seems extremely difficult to make consistent profit on.

[DeFactoCrippler]

What sports other than MMA are good for gambling on? What would be a good supplementary sport to bet on on the side? I'm not sure if I have time for another sport, but I've always wondered this. NFL seems quite good, while boxing seems extremely difficult to make consistent profit on.

MMA is one of the best sports to bet on because the because do not know as much about it as the major ones so it is easy to find an advantage. But the drawback is that the books impose limits for that exact reason. They will let you bet large amounts on football because they believe they have the advantage.

[dww123]

Thanks bro. I don't doubt it's possible, but how common do you think it is? I'm also curious as to what is needed in order to go pro. Like if you don't mind sharing..

1. What type bet size do you think is necessary to make 50k plus a year? Because I noticed you posted a 16k ticket on JDS straight. Because I don't doubt someone can make good money winning large straight bets.

The point I was making earlier was that Fury could not be making what he says because he doesn't bet enough. Because when he loses, he makes claims of making it back in live betting. There is no way in hell you can recoup anything close to 16k from live betting.

2. More importantly what kind of bankroll is needed for this?

Because this is just the "logisitics" of it, and it eliminates most would-be pro gamblers and we haven't even gotten down to finding +EV plays yet.

My average straight bets range any where from 1 to 15k. Average is probably 6. I do some live betting here and there for under 1k. I agree with you in that attempting to hedge bets with LIVE would be futile with large wagers because the only time i would ever try hedging is if my guy is losing and if he's losing then the other fighter will be - money and it wouldnt work very well. I guess you could hedge if the opponent was at + money but that would mean your guy is probably winning and whats the point of that right? Even for smaller bettors i don't think it's a good strategy. Do your research, place your bets and let the chips fall where they may. They way things turn in MMA you can really screw yourself. I wonder how many people hedged out of some profit after the first round of the Struve fight last night. I
was wondering the same thing with Luca Fury. From what i've seen of him, he makes bets on all kinds of sports everyday so his MMA wagers are probably fairly low as they make up only a small % of his total amount of bets made. also his winning percentage on his twitter is so high that if he was betting substantial amounts he would be very rich.

I have a 55k bankroll. Not that you couldn't do it with less, it's just what i'm comfortable with. My guess is the minimum to have a legitimate chance would be 20k.

[Luca Fury]

People def take you seriously even though they bash the hell out of you when you retro post. I think people appreciate the podcast.

This is what's so funny. People accuse me of retro posting, even though my bets are all documented in the podcast with analysis to boot.

Luca what book offered Gunnar by Sub at +250

just curious dont really care about these ongoing e-battles

BetOnline. They had props on "first Fighter to get submitted" and DeMarques Johsnon was +255. Nelson/Johnson was the second fight of the night after Young/Peralta. There was no way in hell that fight was ending in sub - it had TKO or decision written all over it. So, essentially, that prop was Gunnar by sub except for the like 5% chance that somehow Young/Peralta ended in sub. That line was was soooo juicy!

[DirtyX]

Thanks bro. I don't doubt it's possible, but how common do you think it is? I'm also curious as to what is needed in order to go pro. Like if you don't mind sharing..

1. What type bet size do you think is necessary to make 50k plus a year? Because I noticed you posted a 16k ticket on JDS straight. Because I don't doubt someone can make good money winning large straight bets.

The point I was making earlier was that Fury could not be making what he says because he doesn't bet enough. Because when he loses, he makes claims of making it back in live betting. There is no way in hell you can recoup anything close to 16k from live betting.

2. More importantly what kind of bankroll is needed for this?

Because this is just the "logisitics" of it, and it eliminates most would-be pro gamblers and we haven't even gotten down to finding +EV plays yet.

Dude you would need a bankroll of 100K to be able to make a comfortable living betting MMA, assuming you are a good enough capper to do that, I am def. not. LOL.. I guess it's all relative because theoretically one could make a living off 30 grand annually, but you wouldn't be rolling in dough.

You would have to be profiting at least 3K a month on average. Bet size would prob be 5%-10% of your 100K bankroll, being around 5K-10K per straight bet. I do suppose your bankroll wouldn't have to be as large as 100K to make a living, however that would be my goal if I was going to do it full time, no job.

[Luca Fury]

3k per month is only 36k per year. Plus you could never go on a cold streak.

This is very true. It's extremely difficult to to live solely off of MMA betting. Not because MMA is hard to beat (it's actually one of the easiest, as DeFacto stated in another post), but because there are just not enough events.

We're lucky to get a few bettable events a month and sometimes there is only ONE per month. Unless you're bet thousands on every bet, it's very hard to consistently profit enough to make a living solely on it. Betting multiple Gs per event overall isn't that hard, but in order to bet multiple Gs PER BET while only risking 2-5%, you'd need a massive bankroll. And if you lose a couple events in a row, you're in a very tough spot.

MMA is actually my least profitable sport in terms of net profit. It's is the sport I have the highest ROI on, because it's much easier to beat than other sports, but the frequency of sports like MLB, NFL, etc, allow me to make more net profit overall on them. I have 5+ bets basically every single day, and sometimes 10+, so I'm able to grind profit on non-MMA sports. But when an MMA event comes around, you kind of are forced to do really well since there won't be another one for a relatively long period of time

I'm not sure if I'd ever be able to make a living SOLELY off MMA betting. Not unless there were more events. There just isn't a high enough frequent to guarantee you'll be able to make a leaving long term, especially if you go on a cold streak. It would be tough to beat books and still have them let you lay down 10+ thousand per event, which is about what you'd need to solely live off MMA long term.

Thanks bro. I don't doubt it's possible, but how common do you think it is? I'm also curious as to what is needed in order to go pro. Like if you don't mind sharing..

1. What type bet size do you think is necessary to make 50k plus a year? Because I noticed you posted a 16k ticket on JDS straight. Because I don't doubt someone can make good money winning large straight bets.

The point I was making earlier was that Fury could not be making what he says because he doesn't bet enough. Because when he loses, he makes claims of making it back in live betting. There is no way in hell you can recoup anything close to 16k from live betting.

2. More importantly what kind of bankroll is needed for this?

1: Anyone laying 16k straight on an MMA fight probably is betting WAY to high a % of bankroll. I would never lay that on a flukey sport like this. 2-5% bankroll is a good bet amount, but let's say we give that dude the benefit of the doubt and this was a huge play for him, so he bet 10% instead. His bankroll would need to be 16ok for that. I highly doubt an SBR poster has that kind of bankroll. I'm pretty sure he was betting way higher a % of bankroll than he should have, which will bust him over the long haul.

And yeah, there is no way you could ever get close to getting 16K down in live betting, no matter how many books you used. I bet a fraction of that. My biggest bet all year was only 7k on a basketball game. Second biggest bet this yea, which was my biggest on an MMA line, was in the 4-4.5k range. I believe somewhere around $4,200, but am not exactly sure. Even if I had the bankroll to bet 16k, I don't think I would feel comfortable laying that on flukey MMA with flash KO's., cuts, injuries and especially the HORRIBLE judges.

2: To make a living SOLELY on MMA, with it's infrequency, while only betting 2-5% bankroll, you'd need a minimum bankroll of 50-75K I would think.

[Imsmarterthanu]

Jack Slack (Judo Chop guy)'s opinion on the Struve/Miocic fight:

"Notice how Struve's long limbs leave enormous openings behind his gloves where his neck and jaw may be struck. This is exactly what Junior dos Santos did so brilliantly against Struve. It looked ugly but it made sense - Dos Santos was already in his range, Struve was doing nothing to stop Dos Santos staying there, so Dos Santos just poured on violence until the fight was over. Miocic could easily have done exactly the same thing if he weren't convinced that he needed to work the body at get out. Miocic is a good puncher but his insistance on trying to be a boxer arguably cost him this match. It is only necessary to get in and get out if the opponent s doing something to stop you staying there - Struve did very little to force Miocic to step out every time. If Struve does not learn how to get back to his own range, he will continue to be highlight reel fodder for men such as Dos Santos and Alistair Overeem who excel at destroying covering opponents."

"Struve's right hand and particularly his right uppercut have always been powerful, and his guard has always been exciting to watch, but his recent streak of wins has been more to do with being one of the few heavyweights in the world who can recover from mistakes and who doesn't tire after two rounds. Dave Herman, Pat Barry and Stipe Miocic were all giving Struve fits in the early going of their fights with him, but all faded late. Against truly top flight competition it is doubtful whether the improvements pundits keep touting in Struve's striking game will actually be evident."

Miocic at one point had Struve backed up against the cage the same way that Junior Dos Santos had him backed against the cage, he should have opened up on him right there, Struve just curls up when his back is against the cage, he could have finished the fight but he insisted on being the technical striker. The first round was Miocic's the second round Miocic didn't look as athletic, he slipped at the end and right after he slipped he ate a big punch from struve after that it was just punch after punch and he was out on his feet.

I chose Miocic to win the fight It was a close fight you can't say it was a complete domination. The fight was close until the end and hey shit happens there's nothing you can do about it. MMA is a random ass sport.

[Luca Fury]

Miocic at one point had Struve backed up against the cage the same way that Junior Dos Santos had him backed against the cage, he should have opened up on him right there, Struve just curls up when his back is against the cage, he could have finished the fight but he insisted on being the technical striker. The first round was Miocic's the second round Miocic didn't look as athletic, he slipped at the end and right after he slipped he ate a big punch from struve after that it was just punch after punch and he was out on his feet.

Correct, he was clearly very tired in the second round, even before Struve started punching him. Anyone saying he didn't slow down is unquestionably biased. Even in the last minute or so of the first round, he was noticeably breathing heavy with his mouth open, his output had declined, and his punches were moving at increasingly slow speeds.

[Imsmarterthanu]

Correct, he was clearly very tired in the second round, even before Struve started punching him. Anyone saying he didn't slow down is unquestionably biased. Even in the last minute or so of the first round, he was noticeably breathing heavy with his mouth open, his output had declined, and his punches were moving at increasingly slow speeds.

I'm gonna have to agree, he looked tired, his legs looked weaker but no excuses it doesn't matter now, should have both known he would gas out given the fight was all the way in England the weather/jetlag could have caused him to gas out sooner. In the end it doesn't matter Struve landed those shots as clean as anyone could have and he knocked Miocic into a drunken stupor.

[Luca Fury]

I'm gonna have to agree, he looked tired, his legs looked weaker but no excuses it doesn't matter now, should have both known he would gas out given the fight was all the way in England the weather/jetlag could have caused him to gas out sooner. In the end it doesn't matter Struve landed those shots as clean as anyone could have and he knocked Miocic into a drunken stupor.

Yep, like I said on Twitter and earlier in the thread, it's Stipe's fault for not having good enough cardio. Can't make an excuse for a guy not doing the proper stuff in camp. It's not a ripoff or BS or anything, but it IS frustrating to see a guy is clearly the better fighter technique and style wise, but was lazy/dumb and didn't train his cardio at all and lost because he gassed quickly.

Basically every Marlon Sandro fight is hard to cap because he always does excellent early, then gasses bad and struggles. Hope Stipe fixes this cardio issue and doesn't become Marlon Sandro Jr. Miocic at least had solid cardio for a heavyweight against Beltran in his debut, even with the nerves. Not sure why his cardio was so much worse vs Struve. Hopefully it was just jet lag or a fluke or something and not an issue that will plague him in the future.

[DeFactoCrippler]

MMA is actually my least profitable sport in terms of net profit. It's is the sport I have the highest ROI on, because it's much easier to beat than other sports, but the frequency of sports like MLB, NFL, etc, allow me to make more net profit overall on them. I have 5+ bets basically every single day, and sometimes 10+, so I'm able to grind profit on non-MMA sports. But when an MMA event comes around, you kind of are forced to do really well since there won't be another one for a relatively long period of time

Fury, nobody is doubting that you are knowledgeable about MMA and were/are "immersed" in the scene but you trying to tell me you have an advantage in every major sport and are making a living off that in combination with mma?

Because you certainly don't document it on your blog or podcast.

[Luca Fury]

Fury, nobody is doubting that you are knowledgeable about MMA and were/are "immersed" in the scene but you trying to tell me you have an advantage in every major sport and are making a living off that in combination with mma?

Because you certainly don't document it on your blog or podcast.

As of now, I regularly bet MMA, Football, MLB and Tennis. Last week I went 44-20 on them combined, this week I went 50-15, including 7-0 today. Been killing them lately. I've been posting most bets on Twitter or posting screen grabs of my graded wager lists to prove I'm not making up/inflating numbers. The other sports don't always go this well, of course, but I'm an well ahead on them. Usually it's all about grinding profits with them and going like 30-23, so I am loving the tear I'm on right now and going 94-35 the past 2 weeks. I know it's only a matter of time before this short burst of extreme success ends and I have to go back to grinding, so it's nice to be building up a nice cushion for when I go back to that.

[DeFactoCrippler]

As of now, I regularly bet MMA, Football, MLB and Tennis. Last week I went 44-20 on them combined, this week I went 50-15, including 7-0 today. Been killing them lately. They don't always go this well, of course, but I'm an well ahead on them. Usually it's all bout grinding profits with them and going like 30-23, so I am loving the tear I'm on right now. It's a nice cushion for when this streak ends and I have to go back to grinding.

Yes, but you don't document it, you simply post after the fact that you "won" just like Floyd Mayweather. It's actually quite pathetic that you think people believe it. Luca Fury proves the haters wrong and goes 7-0 right after he is called out for being a phaget who lives in his mothers basement!

Pal the funniest part about all this is your pro gambler story is still more believable than wannabet being a doctor. But only slightly.

[Luca Fury]

Yes, but you don't document it, you simply post after the fact that you "won" just like Floyd Mayweather. It's actually quite pathetic that you think people believe it. Luca Fury proves the haters wrong and goes 7-0 right after he is called out for being a phaget who lives in his mothers basement!

Pal the funniest part about all this is your pro gambler story is still more believable than wannabet being a doctor. But only slightly.

No, post my bets ahead of time, and if I don't, I post a screen grabs of my graded wagers, win or lose. Been doing that every day.

[Luca Fury]

What in Gods name is that shit on your face Fury? It looks like someone has been rubbing it in the dirt.

Hey, could be worse. I could be some c0cksucker wearing a luchador mask or something...









(Just jokin around, no offense to Wannabet. He and I buried the hatchet.)

[DeFactoCrippler]

No, post my bets ahead of time, and if I don't, I post a screen grabs of my graded wagers, win or lose. Been doing that every day.

Pl, you didn't post a single bet beforehand and when someone else called you a liar you posted a screenshot that didn't show bet amount and didn't even show the focking team names. Atleast when floyd past posts winners you can atleast see that he bet the game, lol.

Fury, people don't like liars and they don't like being lied to. You are a pathetic and shameless liar, people call you one everywhere you go. Just go away. Don't send me any more of your little phaget PMs like earlier acting like we are cool. I think you are pathetic, lol.

[bogbat]

Strong hate in this thread. Who gives a fuk if Luca documents his unit size. All the evidence I need that he is a good capper is that on the multiple occasions I haven't had the time to do my own research for events I have tailed Luca and am up a considerable amount of units from it.

[MD]

MMA is one of the best sports to bet on because the because do not know as much about it as the major ones so it is easy to find an advantage. But the drawback is that the books impose limits for that exact reason. They will let you bet large amounts on football because they believe they have the advantage.

Is football really that hard to beat, and are there any other sports you think are largely beatable?

[Luca Fury]

Pl, you didn't post a single bet beforehand and when someone else called you a liar you posted a screenshot that didn't show bet amount and didn't even show the focking team names. Atleast when floyd past posts winners you can atleast see that he bet the game, lol.

Fury, people don't like liars and they don't like being lied to. You are a pathetic and shameless liar, people call you one everywhere you go. Just go away. Don't send me any more of your little phaget PMs like earlier acting like we are cool. I think you are pathetic, lol.

I posted that because the guy was bashing me and calling me a horrible gambler for getting ONE bet wrong. I had to show him I've been cleaning house, so I posted that screen grab of a page of my most recent bets, which showed a record of 18-4. That wasn't to prove I bet specific teams, just that losing ONE bet didn't mean shit. And at the book where those bets were made, they don't say team name unless you click on the individual bet, so that wouldn't have worked to prove my point.

[Luca Fury]

Strong hate in this thread. Who gives a fuk if Luca documents his unit size. All the evidence I need that he is a good capper is that on the multiple occasions I haven't had the time to do my own research for events I have tailed Luca and am up a considerable amount of units from it.

Thank you. This is most people's thoughts as well. They just care about the bets, not whether I bet to win 1 unit or 1.25 units.

Is football really that hard to beat, and are there any other sports you think are largely beatable?

The best way to bet football is betting point spreads or total. They're all around -110, so you don't need that great of a win % to make profit. It's about grinding small profits on lines like that. MMA is more about having a high win % since the lines are steep

[DeFactoCrippler]

I posted that because the guy was bashing me and calling me a horrible gambler for getting ONE bet wrong. I had to show him I've been cleaning house, so I posted that screen grab of a page of my most recent bets, which showed a record of 18-4. That wasn't to prove I bet specific teams, just that losing ONE bet didn't mean shit. And at the book where those bets were made, they don't say team name unless you click on the individual bet, so that wouldn't have worked to prove my point.

So, in other words there is absolutely no evidence of your 7-0 day on football whether it be in terms of you posting your picks before the game, or screengrabs?

Stop being a little worm. Men don't live in their mothers basement. Little boys do. Even your little phaget buddies don't believe you childish tales. Wannabet said the same thing until you guys buried the hatchet and stroked each other gently in each thread. You are done on sbr Fury.

[DeFactoCrippler]

Strong hate in this thread. Who gives a fuk if Luca documents his unit size. All the evidence I need that he is a good capper is that on the multiple occasions I haven't had the time to do my own research for events I have tailed Luca and am up a considerable amount of units from it.

Its funny when people like you call a 10 bucks a "unit".

[DeFactoCrippler]

Thank you. This is most people's thoughts as well. They just care about the bets, not whether I bet to win 1 unit or 1.25 units.

Lol atleast 5 different people on sbr have suggested you keep track of units (not to mention twitter) and one phaget who nobody respects here claims he doesn't care and you latch onto it like the worm you are.

[Luca Fury]

So, in other words there is absolutely no evidence of your 7-0 day on football whether it be in terms of you posting your picks before the game, or screengrabs?

Here's your proof:


All lines of around -110.

Lol atleast 5 different people on sbr have suggested you keep track of units (not to mention twitter) and one phaget who nobody respects here claims he doesn't care and you latch onto it like the worm you are.

The only people who have asked are the few haters on SBR, because that's the ONLY think they have to grasp at. No one else has asked.

[DeFactoCrippler]

Here's your proof:

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All lines of around -110.



The only people who have asked are the few haters on SBR, because that's the ONLY think they have to grasp at. No one else has asked.

Hold on I'm restarting windows because I can't see the bet amounts or even the focking team names?

Do you think I have a virus?

[Luca Fury]

Hold on I'm restarting windows because I can't see the bet amounts or even the focking team names?

Do you think I have a virus?

Yeah, well, I'm not gonna make 7 different screen grabs so you can see the team names. Why do those matter anyways? You can see 6/7 of the bets are spreads or a total, which are ALWAYS around -110. The one moneyline was on the Cardinals in MLB at -130 (who won 10-4). Not like I went 7-0 on some -500 favorites or something.

[DeFactoCrippler]

Yeah, well, I'm not gonna make 7 different screen grabs so you can see the team names. Why do those matter anyways? You can see 6/7 of the bets are spreads or a total, which are ALWAYS around -110.

The screenshot basically proves nothing, lol. It basically sums up how much of a worm you really are. You are even banned from sherdog for being a pathetic shill tout.

You are a pathetic shill tout because you live in your mothers basement and are trying to save up enough money to move to california or something, lol. You a joke pal. I mean for real. One of the biggest jokes that ever lived.

Go shill somewhere else and it will be better for your "brand".

[Luca Fury]

The screenshot basically proves nothing, lol. It basically sums up how much of a worm you really are. You are even banned from sherdog for being a pathetic shill tout.

You are a pathetic shill tout because you live in your mothers basement and are trying to save up enough money to move to california or something, lol. You a joke pal. I mean for real. One of the biggest jokes that ever lived.

Go shill somewhere else and it will be better for your "brand".

You doubted I went 7-0 because you said there wasn't a screengrab of it. That screen grab proves I did indeed go 7-0 today. Case closed.

Shooting you down was easier than usual this time. I see you're out of trolling ideas, that's disappointing. Hopefully you'll be back tomorrow with more stuff. Looking forward to it

[DeFactoCrippler]

You doubted I went 7-0 because you said there wasn't a screengrab of it. That screen grab proves I did indeed go 7-0 today. Case closed.

Shooting you down was easier than usual this time. I see you're out of trolling ideas, that's disappointing. Hopefully you'll be back tomorrow with more stuff. Looking forward to it

Pal, the only one who believes your bullshit is bogbot (actually he said he doesn't care if you're lying), but he is just a ronda rousey fanboy who was spooging over her chiseled abs.

These are the people who respect someone like you. Lol, if you ever get out of your moms basement I would love to see it. Gay sounding sasquatch emerges from the minnesota woods and hits the cali scene. You like my earrings guyssssss

[MD]

The best way to bet football is betting point spreads or total. They're all around -110, so you don't need that great of a win % to make profit. It's about grinding small profits on lines like that. MMA is more about having a high win % since the lines are steep

Thank you, I really appreciate the tip. It's always nice to learn new things about gambling, as there's a lot of knowledge that I feel I lack.

In exchange, I'll offer you some free advice. DeFacto really doesn't care what you have to say, he's pretty clever, and in all honesty, he doesn't raise unreasonable points. That's not to say that the things he says can't be answered by your logic, and I'm sure you're not a bad guy, I have never listened to your podcast but I enjoy reading your analysis quite a bit and would love to discuss gambling with you. However, as it is, the more you argue with him, the worse you will look, even if you refute him over and over. He won't get in an argument he can't get the best of, and the more you reply, the happier he is. Right now, you're in a situation where there is a group of people who are laughing at DeFacto's posts at your expense who think you're an idiot, there's a group of people who are sick of this pointless Sherdog-esque argument, there's a group of people who are indifferent and won't really feel differently about either of you based on what's said here, and there's a group of people who sympathise with you, respect you and who think you're legitimate. The more you argue with DeFacto, the less people will remain members of the pro-Luca group.

Right now, you seem like a professional who's being bated into a flame war by a guy who loves to flame. This isn't a situation where you both look like idiots for being in a flame war, this is a situation where, even if you're trading back and forth, it seems like he's dragged you into his world and is having his way with you. There's really no way you come out of this looking good, and the more you argue, the more childish you look, which isn't something that can be said about DeFacto. If anything, he just looks more and more clever the further this goes. None of this is really my place to say, but if I were you, I'd stop replying to DeFacto, take onboard (but not necessarily follow, as I do understand where you're coming from in some areas) the valid constructive criticism he, and others, have given you, and listen to a song or something. This thread isn't important, and if you really don't care about what someone on a forum thinks of you, it should be no problem for you to stop this before it gets to the point where you're stopping because he out-lasted you and you just don't want to do it anymore.

I hope you don't take this as a shot against you as, again, I like your analysis, think you seem like a good guy and would love to discuss gambling and such with you as I'm sure I could learn a great deal from you, but I think replying to DeFacto anymore is going to be -EV for you from now on. Right now, it looks like Dan Hardy trying to take down Demian Maia.

[Luca Fury]

Thank you, I really appreciate the tip. It's always nice to learn new things about gambling, as there's a lot of knowledge that I feel I lack.

In exchange, I'll offer you some free advice. DeFacto really doesn't care what you have to say, he's pretty clever, and in all honesty, he doesn't raise unreasonable points. That's not to say that the things he says can't be answered by your logic, and I'm sure you're not a bad guy, I have never listened to your podcast but I enjoy reading your analysis quite a bit and would love to discuss gambling with you. However, as it is, the more you argue with him, the worse you will look, even if you refute him over and over. He won't get in an argument he can't get the best of, and the more you reply, the happier he is. Right now, you're in a situation where there is a group of people who are laughing at DeFacto's posts at your expense who think you're an idiot, there's a group of people who are sick of this pointless Sherdog-esque argument, there's a group of people who are indifferent and won't really feel differently about either of you based on what's said here, and there's a group of people who sympathise with you, respect you and who think you're legitimate. The more you argue with DeFacto, the less people will remain members of the pro-Luca group.

Right now, you seem like a professional who's being bated into a flame war by a guy who loves to flame. This isn't a situation where you both look like idiots for being in a flame war, this is a situation where, even if you're trading back and forth, it seems like he's dragged you into his world and is having his way with you. There's really no way you come out of this looking good, and the more you argue, the more childish you look, which isn't something that can be said about DeFacto. If anything, he just looks more and more clever the further this goes. None of this is really my place to say, but if I were you, I'd stop replying to DeFacto, take onboard (but not necessarily follow, as I do understand where you're coming from in some areas) the valid constructive criticism he, and others, have given you, and listen to a song or something. This thread isn't important, and if you really don't care about what someone on a forum thinks of you, it should be no problem for you to stop this before it gets to the point where you're stopping because he out-lasted you and you just don't want to do it anymore.

I hope you don't take this as a shot against you as, again, I like your analysis, think you seem like a good guy and, again, would love to discuss gambling and such with you as I'm sure I could learn a great deal from you, but I think replying to DeFacto anymore is going to be -EV for you from now on. Right now, it looks like Dan Hardy trying to take down Demian Maia.

DeFacto and I are perfectly cool with each other. He is an internet troll and I am a troll-feeder. He likes trolling and I like feeding them. Neither of us dislike each other, this is all in good fun. That's why he was complementing my podcast earlier in the thread and I was laughing at his jokes. We are fine with each other but occasionally start a flamewar and dick around. Neither of us are actually emotionally invested in some font listed on an internet message board.

[dww123]

Hold on I'm restarting windows because I can't see the bet amounts or even the focking team names?

Do you think I have a virus?

Statistically, most likely yes

[Luca Fury]

Statistically, most likely yes

LOL!