UFC on FUEL TV 5: Struve vs. Miocic

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How the hell was that 50/50? He was owning Struve until he inexplicably gassed after 4 minutes. He had shown good cardio for a heavyweight in the past. The only time he had slowed down in the past was in the third round vs Beltran in his UFC debut where he was lighting up Joey for 15 minutes. And even then, he only slowed down, not outright gassed.

Technique and style wise, Struve had nothing for Miocic. He only had offense was Stipe was completely gassed for no reason. Oviously that wasn't a 50/50 fight. I never saw anyone on here claiming Struve would win via cardio. You and a bunch of other people thought Struve would out-technique him with BJJ. You were obviously wrong.

lol you're funny, he sure got owned, just look at his face at the press conference. I can tell by your attitude and constant whining on twitter you're negative for life in gambling.

Winning gamblers realize why bets lose and dont make up bullshit excuses like fighter a was "owning" until he got "caught" by fighter b.

[Luca Fury]

Luca, when you try to put yourself above everybody, they're gonna hack you down again.

I'm not. People who do nothing other than bash other people out of jealousy are embarrassing human beings. Anyone who doesn't do that, is automatically above them.

And they can't hack me down. Some moron on a forum typing letters into his internet browser while trying to hurt my feelings isn't going to do anything to me. If anything, it only helps me because I enjoy putting them int heir place and shooting down their lies about me.

[CTM]

[QUOTE=NunyaBidness;16198904]-220? I'm a way bigger favorite there

Man I couldnt find anything on there that would've taken less than 3 hours to download. Took another look at my regular sites and mmaversus has them all available for stream now.

That Pickett KO was NICE

[DeFactoCrippler]

Can you not read? I guess I'll paste my post for you so you can read it again:

The point is many here have had their live betting taken at bookmaker because they were beating it and it was taken away from them. You "claim" to be exempt from this because you have an "inside deal". Ok, lol.

Many here have been limited to basically nothing at 5dimes live betting. Yet you are able to get 1k down despite crushing live betting there. Most people are limited pretty quickly when placing winning max bets yet you have never posted a losing live bet (lol). Do you have an "inside deal" with 5dimes too? lol.

To sum it up, anyone who is beating the live betting at any site gets limited. Except you. Who is a phaget tout that lives with his mother while using the online sportsbooks as your own personal atm. Lol, anyone who actually believes you, especially since you keep absolutely no record of your bets, must also live in their moms basement.

Once again, DeFacto, you go out of your way to bash someone and only manage to make yourself look like an idiot and a liar. I would have blocked you if it weren't so easy to run circles around you every tiem you try and attack me.

Lol, you say you dont care what people think but you devote all these efforts to save your reputation. Everyone here has alreay said you look like a clown. Your little phaget friends have deserted you.

Just earlier you were laughing at yourself like "haha good one my voice is gay" because you desperately need people to listen to your podcast and buy your advice. Because that is your job, being a tout, not a pro gambler, lol. You have never even moved out of your parent house, your are like 19.

Wtf can you say, I live in my moms basement too? But except my basement is really shitty and doesn't have the ornate wood paneling yours does. Holy shit, your are almost as pathetic as wannabet. Alteast he pretended he was a doctor and didn't live with his mom.

2: Appreciate the feedback. I will considering tweaking the format to try and figure out a way around this issue. Constructive criticism is always appreciated

It's easy. keep records and nobody can talk shit. Touts atleast keep fake records, you just expect us to take your word for it. Lol.

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luca is a tout, thats why he makes everyones skin crawl

[Luca Fury]

lol you're funny, he sure got owned, just look at his face at the press conference. I can tell by your attitude and constant whining on twitter your negative for life in gambling.

Winning gamblers realize why bets lost and dont make up bullshit excuses like fighter a was "owning" until he got "caught" by fighter b.

I see you're back. It;'s always the same 3 or 4 guys who pop in threads to bash me.

How is saying he was owning until he gassed an excuse? That is a fact! He clearly won round 1 without any trouble according to everyone. Then he tired at the end of it. Then, he was clearly gassed at the start of round 2, then lost shorty after. That's not making an excuse for the loss. Not like I said that I got ripped off or that Struve got lucky, or that it was BS. In fact, I never once said anything remotely like that. In fact, I even specifically said 'NOT MAKING EXCUSES." All I said was that it was disappointing that Stipe was doing well, then gassed and lost.


Guess you, just like DeFacto, have selective blindness. That, or you just choose not to tell the WHOLE story. You say you read my Twitter yet don't point out how in the same tweet where I mentioned Stipe's disappointing gassing, I also said "not making excuses". How about I copy/paste my tweet about Stipe so people can judge for themselves with out your biased spin?

"Miocic was owning him before he gassed in 4 minutes. With cardio, he would have won. Not making excuses. It's his fault for not training it."

Here is that specific tweet: https://twitter.com/GamblingFury/sta...83149868630016

As usual, it's just too easy to shoot down a haters feeble attempts...

[sideloaded]

I see you're back. It;'s always the same 3 or 4 guys who pop in threads to bash me.

How is saying he was owning until he gassed an excuse? That is a fact! He clearly won round 1 without any trouble according to everyone. Then he tired at the end of it. Then, he was clearly gassed at the start of round 2, then lost shorty after. That's not making an excuse for the loss. Not like I said that I got ripped off or that Struve got lucky, or that it was BS. In fact, I never once said anything remotely like that. In fact, I even specifically said 'NOT MAKING EXCUSES." All I said was that it was disappointing that Stipe was doing well, then gassed and lost.


Guess you, just like DeFacto, have selective blindness. That, or you just choose not to tell the WHOLE story. You say you read my Twitter yet don't point out how in the same tweet where I mentioned Stipe's disappointing gassing, I also said "not making excuses". How about I copy/paste my tweet about Stipe so people can judge for themselves with out your biased spin?

"Miocic was owning him before he gassed in 4 minutes. With cardio, he would have won. Not making excuses. It's his fault for not training it."

Here is that specific tweet:

As usual, it's just too easy to shoot down a haters feeble attempts...

wtf? Are you retarded? cardio is a major factor in mma capping home dog. Also losing the first round and coming back to win isnt some rare occurance. Your arguments are so f-cking weak.

[CTM]

Luca have you re-watched the fight yet? I lost $ on Miocic and he did not gas.

Also what is the reason you don't post units per bet?

[Luca Fury]

The point is many here have had their live betting taken at bookmaker because they were beating it and it was taken away from them. You "claim" to be exempt from this because you have an "inside deal". Ok, lol.

Many here have been limited to basically nothing at 5dimes live betting. Yet you are able to get 1k down despite crushing live betting there. Most people are limited pretty quickly when placing winning max bets yet you have never posted a losing live bet (lol). Do you have an "inside deal" with 5dimes too? lol.

To sum it up, anyone who is beating the live betting at any site gets limited. Except you. Who is a phaget tout that lives with his mother while using the online sportsbooks as your own personal atm. Lol, anyone who actually believes you, especially since you keep absolutely no record of your bets, must also live in their moms basement.



Lol, you say you dont care what people think but you devote all these efforts to save your reputation. Everyone here has alreay said you look like a clown. Your little phaget friends have deserted you.

Just earlier you were laughing at yourself like "haha good one my voice is gay" because you desperately need people to listen to your podcast and buy your advice. Because that is your job, being a tout, not a pro gambler, lol. You have never even moved out of your parent house, your are like 19.

Wtf can you say, I live in my moms basement too? But except my basement is really shitty and doesn't have the ornate wood paneling yours does. Holy shit, your are almost as pathetic as wannabet. Alteast he pretended he was a doctor and didn't live with his mom.





It's easy. keep records and nobody can talk shit. Touts atleast keep fake records, you just expect us to take your word for it. Lol.

1: I haven't bet at 5dimes since early this year. I was essentially forced to leave after their management didn't like that I was owning them.

2: As already stated, you can get down 2k at Bookmaker/DSI. TWICE the "at least 1k" figure that I stated.

3: Again, as already stated, I don't care what forum haters like you think. All you do is go around bashing people because you have no life. You're sad and pathetic. I enjoy shooting you down.

4: Keep slinging your lies at me. I will continue to easily shoot them down. It's easy and fun.

[Sykes]

I dont think he gassed either. Struve started to get his jab going and hit him with some good shots and hurt him. Thats why he lost.

[CTM]

I dont think he gassed either. Struve started to get his jab going and hit him with some good shots and hurt him. Thats why he lost.

Struve. Jab. It's happening.

[Luca Fury]

Luca have you re-watched the fight yet? I lost $ on Miocic and he did not gas.

Also what is the reason you don't post units per bet?

I usually don't post any bets on here period. I occasionally do, but not regularly.

As for why I don;t state them on the podcast, it's because I never have my bets finalized on the day the odds come out, which is the day we record/post the podcast. I have to wait until after the weigh ins and see where the line movement is before I decide on final unit size. The only think I know on wednesday in regards to units is the general size of the bet. That's why I say on there stuff like very small, flier, moderate, etc. Unit size for basically every bet changes between Wednesday of fight week to after the weigh ins when I make my bets.

[DeFactoCrippler]

1: I haven't bet at 5dimes since early this year. I was essentially forced to leave after their management didn't like that I was owning them.

2: As already stated, you can get down 2k at Bookmaker/DSI. TWICE the "at least 1k" figure that I stated.

3: Again, as already stated, I don't care what forum haters like you think. All you do is go around bashing people because you have no life. You're sad and pathetic. I enjoy shooting you down.

4: Keep slinging your lies at me. I will continue to easily shoot them down. It's easy and fun.

Pal, you implied that you were able to get down live bets at 5dimes and when Jesus "bore witness" lol you acted vindicated. But now you are claiming to be banned and could have never placed those live bets because you will appear as fishcakes if you are not 'limited". ok lol.

You a joke who lives in his moms basement and tries to sell his picks for 40 bucks per card.

[CTM]

I usually don't post any bets on here period. I occasionally do, but not regularly.

As for why I don;t state them on the podcast, it's because I never have my bets finalized on the day the odds come out, which is the day we record/post the podcast. I have to wait until after the weigh ins and see where the line movement is before I decide on final unit size. The only think I know on wednesday in regards to units is the general size of the bet. That's why I say on there stuff like very small, flier, moderate, etc. Unit size for basically every bet changes between Wednesday of fight week to after the weigh ins when I make my bets.

Well I figured that stuff, I get not posting them on the oddscast since it's a few days out, but why not post your locked in bets/amounts on twitter as you go? Or everything at once in the hours before the event?

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I read all of luca's posts in the gay robot voice

[DeFactoCrippler]

Well I figured that stuff, I get not posting them on the oddscast since it's a few days out, but why not post your locked in bets/amounts on twitter as you go? Or everything at once in the hours before the event?

Because then someone could actually verify it. Why post a record when phagets are stupid enough to pay to be told who to be 50 bucks on by a teenager with a lisp broadcasting live and direct from his mom's basement, lol.

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i guess wannabet is still lurking on here

[PunisherIND]

I read all of luca's posts in the gay robot voice

lol all you need now is a rubber antonio silva mask

[Luca Fury]

Well I figured that stuff, I get not posting them on the oddscast since it's a few days out, but why not post your locked in bets/amounts on twitter as you go? Or everything at once in the hours before the event?

I do that sometimes. It's a hassle to post all the exact until sizes for like 8 different bets, though. Usually not worth it since 99% people only care about what the bets are and not the exact unit size.

The only people who care about until size are haters like DeFacto. He can't dispute that I have a great, documented win/loss record, so he has to resort to "YOU DIDNT POST UNIT SIZE SO THEREFORE ALL WINNING BETS ARE INVALID!!!!!" That clown will look for ANY way to hate on someone. He will stretch beyond belief, unprovoked. He still bashes Kalikas every chance he gets, even though Nick has never posted on here and doesn't even know who this clown is.

Someone says my voice sounds like a gay robot, so I play along and jokingly agree. Then DeFacto bashes me for being nice because apparently that's only a desperate attempt to get people to listen to my podcast.

Later in the thread, someone outright bashes me, so I bring up facts to show why they're wrong. Then, DeFacto bashes me for that because because I'm apparently an aggressive "phaget" who got mad.

So, no matter how I respond to people, DeFacto bashes me. Dude is just a hater, plain and simple. No denying it.

[Luca Fury]

To further prove how DeFacto is just a hater who turns on people and bashes them for no reason, let's quote him from earlier in the thread:

People who bet wiman could hear Luca Fury recommend Wiman on his podcast, something that people actually care to listen to.

You say my podcast is popular here. Then later in the thread, after you got butthurt for no reason, you say my podcast is "desperate" for listens. You flip flop on your opinion every 5 minutes. More proof you're just a troll and a hater.

Like I said, shooting you down is too easy.

[DeFactoCrippler]

The only people who care about until size are haters like DeFacto. He can't dispute that I have a great, documented win/loss record, so he has to resort to "YOU DIDNT POST UNIT SIZE SO THEREFORE ALL WINNING BETS ARE INVALID!!!!!" That clown will look for ANY way to hate on someone. He will stretch beyond belief, unprovoked. He still bashes Kalikas every chance he gets, even though Nick has never posted on here and doesn't even know who this clown is.

Lol you were sucking my dick for weeks about those posts. Inb4 you deny it and ask me for the posts, then I post them, then you pretend like you didn't notice.

You were sucking my rooster because you didn't want to get clowned, not got good for your "brand". lol.

You're done on sbr fury. I don't even know why the mods let you post when you are obviously a tout. There is a forum for you guys and I promise I won't bother you there.

[DirtyX]

[QUOTE=Luca Fury;16199378]I usually don't post any bets on here period. I occasionally do, but not regularly.

As for why I don;t state them on the podcast, it's because I never have my bets finalized on the day the odds come out, which is the day we record/post the podcast. I have to wait until after the weigh ins and see where the line movement is before I decide on final unit size. The only think I know on wednesday in regards to units is the general size of the bet. That's why I say on there stuff like very small, flier, moderate, etc. Unit size for basically every bet changes between Wednesday of fight week to after the weigh ins when I make my bets.[/QUOTE)

Why wouldn't you post your picks on here? What, you want people to pay for your odd casts? LOL... Dude I don't bash people on here, but your argument is feeble at best, and if you aren't going to post your plays/bet$ on the "UFC BETTING FORUM" them don't come onto this forum. Simple as that.

[DirtyX]

Lol you were sucking my dick for weeks about those posts. Inb4 you deny it and ask me for the posts, then I post them, then you pretend like you didn't notice.

You were sucking my rooster because you didn't want to get clowned, not got good for your "brand". lol.

You're done on sbr fury. I don't even know why the mods let you post when you are obviously a tout. There is a forum for you guys and I promise I won't bother you there.

[Luca Fury]

Lol you were sucking my dick for weeks about those posts. Inb4 you deny it and ask me for the posts, then I post them, then you pretend like you didn't notice.

You were sucking my rooster because you didn't want to get clowned, not got good for your "brand". lol.

You're done on sbr fury. I don't even know why the mods let you post when you are obviously a tout. There is a forum for you guys and I promise I won't bother you there.

I said one of your jokes about him was funny, because it was. That was a joke, though, not you outright bashing him.

Why wouldn't you post your picks on here? What, you want people to pay for your odd casts? LOL... Dude I don't bash people on here, but your argument is feeble at best, and if you aren't going to post your plays/bet$ on the "UFC BETTING FORUM" them don't come onto this forum. Simple as that.

The OddsCast is free. I don't post my bets on here because there is no reason to. I have Twitter and a podcast to share my bets on. Why would I spend the time writing breakdowns on a forum on top of that? That is a waste of time.

And why can't I come on here and discuss MMA with people? Just because it's an MMA betting forum, doesn't mean it's ONLY for posting MMA bets.

[DeFactoCrippler]

I said one of your jokes about him was funny, because it was. That was a joke, though, not you outright bashing him.

How did I "bash" him any harder than I did in that joke? lol that was the worst shit I said about him.

fyi the whole thing about clowning kalikas is that we all know he lurks these forums. So, if he doesn't check out the forums then he won't have any clue people are clowning him.

[CTM]

I do that sometimes. It's a hassle to post all the exact until sizes for like 8 different bets, though. Usually not worth it since 99% people only care about what the bets are and not the exact unit size.

Cmon dude, I've seen your twitter, any given day you've got like 10 updates on the same baseball game.

[Sykes]

Well I just watched it again. Miocic was not owning him in round one nor did he gas, he hit Sturve with some good shots in the second but in the end hee just got beat.

Good night of fights, made a lil money all good, see you guys next week!

[Jesus Christ]

Win/loss record keeping in gambling is completely useless without +/- units

[dww123]

I wonder why any book would ever limit live wagering. Those type of wagers are mostly compulsive which pretty much guarentees you will lose money over the long term.

[dww123]

wtf? Are you retarded? cardio is a major factor in mma capping home dog. Also losing the first round and coming back to win isnt some rare occurance. Your arguments are so f-cking weak.

Its not rare, especially for Struve. In his last 4 fights that got to the 2nd round, Struve lost the 1st round in all of them. He just doesnt do a whole lot in the first 5 minutes. I think this has more to do with it then Stipe gassing. Struve just started fighting back.

[Mercersux]

Win/loss record keeping in gambling is completely useless without +/- units

Jesus has spoken. He's right too.

[gabe]

Win/loss record keeping in gambling is completely useless without +/- units

if you're doing it to make money, then it's not useless. i don't use "units" per se, and don't always keep track of all my winnings... as long as i'm winning a lot more often than not, i'm happy. don't need a file in microsoft excel to tell me i'm doing well.

[Mercersux]

if you're doing it to make money, then it's not useless. i don't use "units" per se, and don't always keep track of all my winnings... as long as i'm winning a lot more often than not, i'm happy. don't need a file in microsoft excel to tell me i'm doing well.

I would think that keeping track of W-L and units played would make sense just for bankroll management. I personally don't do any of that but i do ok overall.

[MD]

Anyone who is a serious gambler knows it's bullshit. Because if he is actually making the size of wager needed to earn a "living" he would not be able to recoup his losses from live betting.

Just out of curiosity, does that mean that you think no one here earns a living solely from gambling? I'm not saying you're incorrect if you are claiming this, I have no idea. I'm just wondering if you consider such a thing to be highly unlikely.

[Luca Fury]

Cmon dude, I've seen your twitter, any given day you've got like 10 updates on the same baseball game.

Spouting random thoughts requires little to no energy. Checking, noting and listing units for the 10+ bets I have a day is pointless. Especially since, like I said, 99% of people don't give a damn about them. They just want picks and maybe a little analysis.

wtf? Are you retarded? cardio is a major factor in mma capping home dog. Also losing the first round and coming back to win isnt some rare occurance. Your arguments are so f-cking weak.

You have to be the dumbest poster on here. Your reading comprehension is laughable. You consistently misinterpret shit, bash people for something they didn't even say, and they get called out for being a dumbass.

In what part of that post did I say no one handicaps cardio, or that it's not important? I said that nobody said Struve would win because he would capitalize on a gassed Micioc, or because he had superior cardio. That is completely different than saying cardio isn't an important factor to handicapping and no one does it.

Almost everyone picking Struve, including you, thought he would get the takedown or pull guard and sub him. You were wrong. You got the pick right, but your analysis and reasoning was horrible.

You're the same moron who thinks there are MMA fights in which one guy literally wins greater than 99% of the time. We argued about it in your retarded thread. I still can't believe you're dumb enough to think that if 2 fighters of any caliber fought 100 times, one would LITERALLY win at least 99 of them, even taking into consideration cuts, injuries, flash KOs and mistakes. Don't bother me with your frivolous bullshit again.

I wonder why any book would ever limit live wagering. Those type of wagers are mostly compulsive which pretty much guarentees you will lose money over the long term.

Actually, the books lose overall on live wagering. Sharps eat them alive on it. It;s mainly for advertising purposes -- it's a nice bulletpoint that gets squares to join because they think this gives them some special edge.