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  • JAKEPEAVY21
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    • 03-11-11
    • 29483

    #10851
    Originally posted by raiders72001
    ETH $250 from it's ATH.
    What a run the past couple of months!!
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    • raiders72001
      Senior Member
      • 08-10-05
      • 11241

      #10852
      Everything is going to go up. I'm liking ETH, SOL and SUI right now. BTC dominance continues to slide. Bouncing around is a bad idea since they should take turns on runs. The only way to lose is by chasing green.
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      • ChuckyTheGoat
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        • 04-04-11
        • 38446

        #10853
        Originally posted by raiders72001
        Everything is going to go up. I'm liking ETH, SOL and SUI right now. BTC dominance continues to slide. Bouncing around is a bad idea since they should take turns on runs. The only way to lose is by chasing green.
        Raid, what has specifically changed on ETH? Was struggling mightily, now rocketing up.
        Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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        • raiders72001
          Senior Member
          • 08-10-05
          • 11241

          #10854
          Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat

          Raid, what has specifically changed on ETH? Was struggling mightily, now rocketing up.
          Institutional money. There are days that ETH ETF inflows were more than BTC. Also, Vitalik wants privacy features.
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          • ChuckyTheGoat
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 04-04-11
            • 38446

            #10855
            Originally posted by raiders72001

            Institutional money. There are days that ETH ETF inflows were more than BTC. Also, Vitalik wants privacy features.
            Appreciate the knowledge, Raid. GL on your investments.
            Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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            • Optional
              Administrator
              • 06-10-10
              • 62467

              #10856
              17 years ago today


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              • ChuckyTheGoat
                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                • 04-04-11
                • 38446

                #10857
                Good stuff, Opti. So much intrigue about that era.

                I've read a ton on people speculating the true identity of SATOSHI. A few thoughts:
                1) It's very likely that there was collaboration. IE, hard to imagine one guy had the ability to do the legwork all on his own. This was group-think and forming a technology.
                2) Whether it's one guy or a group. SATOSHI looked into the future and saw that they didn't want to be around long-term (and they didn't want to leave a footprint). If Bitcoin were to gain a foothold, governments would become very unhappy parties.
                3) The names are out there. I could see logic for at least five names.
                Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                • ChuckyTheGoat
                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                  • 04-04-11
                  • 38446

                  #10858
                  Note and question for Raiders. It's sometimes said that BTC hash-rate predicts BTC price:


                  ...That hash-rate chart trends up. But there's a ton of oscillation.
                  ...And hash-rate has been pretty flat over the L3 months. That ties to the BTC price oscillating but not moving up.

                  Do you put any credence on the correlation of hash-rate to price?
                  Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                  • Optional
                    Administrator
                    • 06-10-10
                    • 62467

                    #10859
                    Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat
                    Good stuff, Opti. So much intrigue about that era.

                    I've read a ton on people speculating the true identity of SATOSHI. A few thoughts:
                    1) It's very likely that there was collaboration. IE, hard to imagine one guy had the ability to do the legwork all on his own. This was group-think and forming a technology.
                    2) Whether it's one guy or a group. SATOSHI looked into the future and saw that they didn't want to be around long-term (and they didn't want to leave a footprint). If Bitcoin were to gain a foothold, governments would become very unhappy parties.
                    3) The names are out there. I could see logic for at least five names.
                    I disagree that it was anyone else's ideas, or anyone else had significant input at all, before the white paper.

                    I think a group of interested people helped with implementation, and most of them are known. But they weren't there for the idea creation.

                    Agree that he knew the risks of undermining central control of money flows, and knew to stay anon from the start. He started the thought process out of the ashes of Egold and Ebullion, and could see exactly how the DOJ had misled and shafted Doug Jackson even as he tried to help them.

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                    • ChuckyTheGoat
                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                      • 04-04-11
                      • 38446

                      #10860
                      You reference Egold above. I'm saying that Bitcoin looks a lot like an extension of Egold.

                      Nick Szabo is one of the names that's often listed as a potential SATOSHI. So many similarities to his earlier work. Even the initials NS, which are normally flipped to SN in Asian cultures.
                      Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                      • ChuckyTheGoat
                        BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                        • 04-04-11
                        • 38446

                        #10861
                        Opti, I think I mis-spoke (above). E-gold is different than Bitgold.

                        I read about e-gold, and I see your point on how the government resisted E-gold. Bitgold was Szabo's creation...and that does look a lot like a precursor to Bitcoin.
                        Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                        • ChuckyTheGoat
                          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                          • 04-04-11
                          • 38446

                          #10862
                          Hey, Opti. I don't want to speak beyond my knowledge scope.

                          But this is a topic I see a lot on the precious metal videos. Gold holders have a tough time getting physical delivery from their vault. Implication is that there's a big disconnect between the paper and physical markets.

                          I'm in the camp that I believe that. If Silver and Gold were re-priced to their Fair Market Value, I think they'd be a lot higher.
                          Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                          • Optional
                            Administrator
                            • 06-10-10
                            • 62467

                            #10863
                            Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat
                            You reference Egold above. I'm saying that Bitcoin looks a lot like an extension of Egold.

                            Nick Szabo is one of the names that's often listed as a potential SATOSHI. So many similarities to his earlier work. Even the initials NS, which are normally flipped to SN in Asian cultures.
                            It would not shock me if he was a previous player like that, who knew they have to stay hidden and not profit from it directly so had to be super anon.

                            I don't know much about the gold and precious metal markets but intuitively have always thought gold was artificially priced high, based on it's relative abundance and no sign or running out. Simplistic view I know but I don't know enough to have a strong opinion really.
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                            • Optional
                              Administrator
                              • 06-10-10
                              • 62467

                              #10864
                              That email I posted does have a potential clue in it.

                              Notice how many words are - separated?

                              hash-based
                              proof-of-work
                              e-cash
                              peer-to-peer
                              double-spending


                              That's an unusual number and not all the sorts of words a regular spell checker would format that way.

                              Finding a spell checker of the day that did choose to dash separate those words might be a lead.

                              Or just looking for other papers with "over-use" of dash separators.
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                              • ChuckyTheGoat
                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                • 04-04-11
                                • 38446

                                #10865
                                Originally posted by Optional

                                It would not shock me if he was a previous player like that, who knew they have to stay hidden and not profit from it directly so had to be super anon.

                                I don't know much about the gold and precious metal markets but intuitively have always thought gold was artificially priced high, based on it's relative abundance and no sign or running out. Simplistic view I know but I don't know enough to have a strong opinion really.
                                This is an argument Preston Pysh argues for. Gold is RELATIVELY scarce, but there's no audit.

                                New gold reserves are found. And it's price-elastic, in the sense that mining would increase if price doubled tomorrow.
                                Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                                • ChuckyTheGoat
                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                  • 04-04-11
                                  • 38446

                                  #10866
                                  Originally posted by Optional
                                  That email I posted does have a potential clue in it.

                                  Notice how many words are - separated?

                                  hash-based
                                  proof-of-work
                                  e-cash
                                  peer-to-peer
                                  double-spending


                                  That's an unusual number and not all the sorts of words a regular spell checker would format that way.

                                  Finding a spell checker of the day that did choose to dash separate those words might be a lead.

                                  Or just looking for other papers with "over-use" of dash separators.
                                  You're on to something. I know the sleuths looked into language context in attempt to identify the author.
                                  Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                                  • ChuckyTheGoat
                                    BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                    • 04-04-11
                                    • 38446

                                    #10867
                                    This is big news. Trump pulls out the Fed Rsv Act from 1913. Fires a Fed governor.

                                    This is amazing. US govt was supposed to be separate from Fed Rsv:
                                    Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                                    • ChuckyTheGoat
                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                      • 04-04-11
                                      • 38446

                                      #10868
                                      Some disappointed about the BTC bull-run. But I'd say that it's done OK if you zoom out.

                                      A few things:
                                      1) Reality is that people are re-treating to precious metals. Gold and Silver doing well.
                                      2) Bitcoin can still do well rest of the year. > three months of Ascension. Feel confident that new ATH will hit b4 12/31/2025.
                                      Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                                      • Arky
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 12-09-11
                                        • 1109

                                        #10869
                                        New SCAM!

                                        Received a very official looking letter from "Ledger" today - plain envelope, letter on good card stock. It advised me that I only have till the end of the month to turn on "transaction check" in my Ledger. It had a Bar code that I scanned. Everything on the letter looked legit.

                                        So I scan the bar code and it gives me a link to go to a site that is very official looking. Once I had selected my device, it asked for my 24 word pass phrase.

                                        Whoa, Whoa, Whoa.

                                        These scams are getting slicker and slicker. I can't imagine how many people will fall for this. Sometimes it's a letter in the mail, sometimes it's a phone call from a "fraud inverstigator". They will know things about you that make them sound legit.

                                        Just a reminder: Never give out your 12/24 word seed phrase......and......never give out a 2FA code. Never. Never, ever.

                                        On Ledger's real website, it says this - "Beware of phishing attacks, Ledger will never ask for the 24 words of your recovery phrase. Never share them."

                                        Ledger's database got hacked a while back and hit the black market, I think. Pretty sure they got names and addresses/emails of everyone who had bought Ledgers back in those days. People who have owned Ledgers for quite a while have seen these scams before but it is usually via email.
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                                        • raiders72001
                                          Senior Member
                                          • 08-10-05
                                          • 11241

                                          #10870
                                          Years ago interest rate cuts didn't matter but now they are huge. Keep those coming!
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                                          • Optional
                                            Administrator
                                            • 06-10-10
                                            • 62467

                                            #10871
                                            Originally posted by raiders72001
                                            Years ago interest rate cuts didn't matter but now they are huge. Keep those coming!
                                            In terms of crypto, surely it will drag investment away and into property.
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                                            • Arky
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 12-09-11
                                              • 1109

                                              #10872
                                              From today's CryptoCompare newsletter:
                                              RCMP Seizes $56M CAD in Crypto, Shuts Down TradeOgre in Historic Crackdown

                                              Canadian police have shut down crypto exchange TradeOgre and seized more than $56 million CAD in digital assets, marking the country’s largest-ever cryptocurrency bust.

                                              The Royal Canadian Mounted Police (RCMP) said the operation is also the first time Canadian authorities have dismantled a crypto trading platform.

                                              The seizure followed a year-long investigation by the Money Laundering Investigative Team, launched after a 2024 Europol tip flagged TradeOgre for regulatory noncompliance.

                                              According to the RCMP, the platform operated without registering as a money services business with Canada’s financial watchdog, FINTRAC, and failed to verify its users’ identities. That lack of oversight, investigators said, made it a hub for laundering money from criminal sources.

                                              TradeOgre allowed anonymous account creation, which the RCMP says made it an easy on-ramp for organized crime to obscure the origins of illicit funds.

                                              Authorities are still analyzing the transaction data and said criminal charges may follow.


                                              TradeOgre was one of the better no-KYC exchanges. There should be a fundamental human right to privacy even in money transactions. No one I know takes a dump in a public rest room with the door open. However, the system seems to think it's OK to have a camera on you and to keep a record of it....
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                                              • ChuckyTheGoat
                                                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                • 04-04-11
                                                • 38446

                                                #10873
                                                Originally posted by Arky
                                                New SCAM!

                                                Received a very official looking letter from "Ledger" today - plain envelope, letter on good card stock. It advised me that I only have till the end of the month to turn on "transaction check" in my Ledger. It had a Bar code that I scanned. Everything on the letter looked legit.

                                                So I scan the bar code and it gives me a link to go to a site that is very official looking. Once I had selected my device, it asked for my 24 word pass phrase.

                                                Whoa, Whoa, Whoa.

                                                These scams are getting slicker and slicker. I can't imagine how many people will fall for this. Sometimes it's a letter in the mail, sometimes it's a phone call from a "fraud inverstigator". They will know things about you that make them sound legit.

                                                Just a reminder: Never give out your 12/24 word seed phrase......and......never give out a 2FA code. Never. Never, ever.

                                                On Ledger's real website, it says this - "Beware of phishing attacks, Ledger will never ask for the 24 words of your recovery phrase. Never share them."

                                                Ledger's database got hacked a while back and hit the black market, I think. Pretty sure they got names and addresses/emails of everyone who had bought Ledgers back in those days. People who have owned Ledgers for quite a while have seen these scams before but it is usually via email.
                                                Thx, Arky. I hate Ledger. Too many red-flags.
                                                Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                                                • ChuckyTheGoat
                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                  • 04-04-11
                                                  • 38446

                                                  #10874
                                                  Watch this video:


                                                  (8:00) Listen to Pysh talk about Saylor's use of Compound Interest.
                                                  Where's the fuckin power box, Carol?
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                                                  • Sawyer
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 06-01-09
                                                    • 7846

                                                    #10875
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                                                    We’re in the final stretch of the bull market.

                                                    There may be a dump in late September or early October, but October should be a bullish month. it’s called “Uptober” for a reason!

                                                    The next bear market will likely be driven by a recession and capitulation/forced selling from companies holding Bitcoin in their treasuries.

                                                    As we approach October 20–22, if the month is green and we’ve seen strong rallies, I think it makes sense to take profits. If it closes red, even better! The bull market might have one more leg left.

                                                    PS: Those who don’t sell in 2025 will regret it in mid/late 2026.
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                                                    • Sawyer
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 06-01-09
                                                      • 7846

                                                      #10876
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                                                      Probably last 14-24 days before final.
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                                                      • raiders72001
                                                        Senior Member
                                                        • 08-10-05
                                                        • 11241

                                                        #10877
                                                        BlackRock Buys $446.5M in Bitcoin, Expands Institutional Holdings

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                                                        • Sawyer
                                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                                          • 06-01-09
                                                          • 7846

                                                          #10878
                                                          Next 2 weeks, you may lose your mind!

                                                          MELT UP RALLY is here!!




                                                          I’m expecting Bitcoin to top around October 20–24.
                                                          November and December may not be so pleasant, since we could start to see signs of a recession.

                                                          2026 could bring a horrendous bear market (probably through the end of Q1 or in Q2)
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                                                          • raiders72001
                                                            Senior Member
                                                            • 08-10-05
                                                            • 11241

                                                            #10879
                                                            We should get a parabolic run and then the bear market.
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                                                            • Sawyer
                                                              SBR Hall of Famer
                                                              • 06-01-09
                                                              • 7846

                                                              #10880
                                                              Expecting bitcoin rally around 15-18 October.
                                                              Then Bitcoin should top around 18-21 October.

                                                              Bitcoin malware Core30 will be released in 10 October, not good for bitcoin.

                                                              Guys, do you know any crypto platforms where we can short US stocks like IREN or MSTR? Would appreciate if you know any. Thanks! It's very easy to short cryptocurrencies but very complicated and tedious to short stocks in tradfi (tax, fees etc)
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                                                              • Sawyer
                                                                SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                • 06-01-09
                                                                • 7846

                                                                #10881
                                                                Originally posted by Sawyer
                                                                Expecting bitcoin rally around 15-18 October.
                                                                Short Squeeze + Relief Rally didn't happened surprisingly. Looks like bear market is here.
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                                                                • Sawyer
                                                                  SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                  • 06-01-09
                                                                  • 7846

                                                                  #10882
                                                                  Originally posted by Sawyer
                                                                  Bitcoin malware Core30 will be released in 10 October, not good for bitcoin.
                                                                  What a Coincidence!! Remember 10 October crash? Yikes!
                                                                  It was World Mental Health day also, lol. Marketmakers are really crazy.

                                                                  Hopefully, nodes running Core30 are only about %1,5.
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                                                                  • Optional
                                                                    Administrator
                                                                    • 06-10-10
                                                                    • 62467

                                                                    #10883
                                                                    Originally posted by Sawyer
                                                                    Bitcoin malware Core30 will be released in 10 October, not good for bitcoin.
                                                                    Many think it's great for Bitcoin.

                                                                    It opens up usage options never considered before.

                                                                    Bitcoin Core is open-source and run by consensus and peer review. This update comes after years of debate and technical development. Not some self important jerkoff deciding for everyone, without consensus. Knots was rejected because it was clearly de-evolutionary.

                                                                    The only people calling it "malware" are those who have been trying to force their Knots proposals against the vast majority rejecting the luddite like opinions, and central control ambitions.
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                                                                    • Sawyer
                                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                                      • 06-01-09
                                                                      • 7846

                                                                      #10884
                                                                      Originally posted by Optional
                                                                      Many think it's great for Bitcoin.
                                                                      It opens up usage options never considered before.
                                                                      Not really. Let me explain you why..

                                                                      The Core v30 update raises the OP_RETURN limit, allowing larger amounts of data to be embedded into transactions. With v30, large-sized data can now be written directly onto Bitcoin.

                                                                      So what if it can? What’s the issue?

                                                                      A larger OP_RETURN could open the door to embedding various files, illegal content, or spam directly onto the Bitcoin network.

                                                                      Governments and law enforcement might then accuse node operators of “distributing illegal content,” creating a dangerous legal attack surface.

                                                                      There is also the issue of monetary purity.

                                                                      Bitcoin was designed as a monetary network and sound money. Not as a general purpose data storage blockchain.

                                                                      Expanding OP_RETURN risks turning Bitcoin into a “digital file hosting” chain instead of a purely monetary network.

                                                                      In addition, a larger OP_RETURN consumes more block space, which increases transaction fees and the costs of running a node. In this way, the blocks will be filled with unnecessary data, and Bitcoin’s efficiency as a payment system will also decrease.

                                                                      What may look like a minor change at first glance could have very serious long term consequences.

                                                                      Hopefully, only about 1.5% of nodes are running Core v30, which shouldn’t be a problem.
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                                                                      • actiondan
                                                                        SBR MVP
                                                                        • 10-16-10
                                                                        • 3504

                                                                        #10885
                                                                        bitcoin is on sale friends
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