Bitcoin Price Tracking & Discussion -- 2025

**raiders72001** · 12-14-23, 05:20 AM

HNT is a really good project.

**raiders72001** · 12-14-23, 05:37 AM

Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat

OK, Raiders. I'm happy with my BTC exposure.

Question: What is your best site to purchase BTC right now?
...I have a small amount of BTC via Pay Pal. But I don't like the way they hold the coins.

Also, why not purchase MSTR/GBTC/BITQ and similar crypto assets? Wouldn't they figure to move in lock-step with BTC?

Sorry about that since you are right and know that correlation much better than I do and I misunderstood. I haven't purchased in some time, just move things around or hold in stable coins. This run caught me off guard and I didn't add any yet. I thought we had a few months to go before looking at the small caps. I've been missing out on a ton of things. I really like and bought HNT but didn't grab the MOBILE to go with it. Have a lot more catching up to do.

edit- just bought MOBILE at close to peak. This one is sure to crash on this awful timing. HNT is an Internet of Things. MOBILE is cheap phone service that's wireless and decentralized.

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 12-14-23, 06:52 AM

Raiders, thanks. Per usual, this is way over my head.

What platform do you use to purchase HNT and MOBILE?

**raiders72001** · 12-14-23, 07:03 AM

Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat

Raiders, thanks. Per usual, this is way over my head.

What platform do you use to purchase HNT and MOBILE?

Coinbase. Some use a wallet like Phantom and trade on a DEX such as Raydium. You may not want to buy MOBILE, it's risky now since it already went up 36x in the last 2 months. HNT should be a great buy. It'll probably move with SOL at a much higher rate.

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 12-14-23, 09:33 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Coinbase. Some use a wallet like Phantom and trade on a DEX such as Raydium. You may not want to buy MOBILE, it's risky now since it already went up 36x in the last 2 months. HNT should be a great buy. It'll probably move with SOL at a much higher rate.

OK, thanks, Raiders. I gave up on Coinbase. Fees were too much, and too many hoops to jump thru.

That said, I respect the CEO. I think he abides by all the regulation to keep the company going long-term. In fact, I'd say that the Coinbase CEO made Ginsler look bad.

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 12-14-23, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by Arky

Toby and Heidi discuss Elizabeth Warren:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mODkHCyyVLI

Runs about 8 mins if you have nothing better to do.

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 12-14-23, 12:50 PM

Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat

Could use another list of stock that figure to be tightly-correlated with a coming Crypto Bull-run.

I've had some success with BITQ.

Repeat: BITQ has been good to me. Having a good day.

**raiders72001** · 12-14-23, 04:50 PM

A little background on HNT. Helium is a type of Internet of Things. Helium Mobile partnered with T-Mobile a little over a year ago. They started a cheap Mobile phone service in the Miami area and it went nationwide a couple of weeks ago. Helium Mobile is a sponsor of the Miami Hurricanes. They started showing up at home games about two weeks ago. There are no cell towers for the cell service. Hotspots are owned by individual people and it's increasing at a fast pace.

That said, HNT is still risky but a great project. MOBILE is much more risky. This bull run is can't lose unless you do things such as going crazy on a MOBILE, even HNT isn't in the can't miss category. MOBILE had a huge run and there has to be some major pull back.

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 12-14-23, 04:54 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

A little background on HNT. Helium is a type of Internet of Things. Helium Mobile partnered with T-Mobile a little over a year ago. They started a cheap Mobile phone service in the Miami area and it went nationwide a couple of weeks ago. Helium Mobile is a sponsor of the Miami Hurricanes. They started showing up at home games about two weeks ago. There are no cell towers for the cell service. Hotspots are owned by individual people and it's increasing at a fast pace.

That said, HNT is still risky but a great project. MOBILE is much more risky. This bull run is can't lose unless you do things such as going crazy on a MOBILE, even HNT isn't in the can't miss category.

I saw that on the writeup, Raiders. Pretty cool.

**raiders72001** · 12-14-23, 05:19 PM

Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat

I saw that on the writeup, Raiders. Pretty cool.

This IoT stuff is pretty cool and scary at the same time.

I was in HNT years ago then there was a huge crash. I jumped back in HNT thinking that would be a winner with the phone service but totally overlooked MOBILE.

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 12-14-23, 08:30 PM

Will Clemente video. He puts out BTC-dominance versus other Crypto assets:

**biggie12** · 12-14-23, 09:36 PM

Hnt is dead that is what i was mining. once they changed over to sol they killed themselves.

**raiders72001** · 12-14-23, 10:19 PM

Originally posted by biggie12

Hnt is dead that is what i was mining. once they changed over to sol they killed themselves.

No way that it's dead. It's not some fly by night organization. They just released mobile service nation wide. You aren't hooking up with T-Mobile unless they believe in you. HNT does more volume than BSV.

**raiders72001** · 12-14-23, 10:27 PM

I like the uptick in volume.

**raiders72001** · 12-15-23, 12:41 AM

BONK +102%, HNT +31%, SNEK +15%, MOBILE down 7.1% last 24 hours. I grabbed a little bit of profits on the 3. May reinvest after a drop.

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 12-15-23, 12:44 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

BONK up 102%, BNT up 92%, SNEK up 15% last 24 hours. I grabbed a little bit of profits on both. May reinvest after a drop.

Good Luck, raiders. Even if I don't tail, appreciate the info.

The ROI on these projects is crazy.

**raiders72001** · 12-15-23, 12:50 AM

Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat

Good Luck, raiders. Even if I don't tail, appreciate the info.

The ROI on these projects is crazy.

Thanks, starts to get scary at this point, never hurts to take some out. On BTC and ETH, I'd let it ride. Smaller caps you just know a dump is coming.

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 12-15-23, 12:56 AM

US Money Market Treasury Yield Monthly Insights: National Rates and Rate Caps | YCharts

https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_money_market_account_rate

In depth view into US Money Market Treasury Yield including historical data from 2021 to 2025, charts and stats.

Look at the above chart on the 3-year window. Close to zero until 7/22, then goes up sharply.

Very telling, imho. Govt needs to encourage investing to generate a return:
1) Economy would grind to a halt without this, imho.
2) Think about invested assets. Think about the return one needs just to keep up with inflation.

Chickens coming home to roost. Good Luck, boys.

**raiders72001** · 12-15-23, 01:11 AM

Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat

https://ycharts.com/indicators/us_mo...t_account_rate

Look at the above chart on the 3-year window. Close to zero until 7/22, then goes up sharply.

Very telling, imho. Govt needs to encourage investing to generate a return:
1) Economy would grind to a halt without this, imho.
2) Think about invested assets. Think about the return one needs just to keep up with inflation.

Chickens coming home to roost. Good Luck, boys.

Looks like the stars aligned.

**raiders72001** · 12-15-23, 02:03 AM

I haven't had this SOL meme coin for a month but they make no sense. No utility and it goes up 35,000% from all time low and 1000% in 1 month. You have to look for tokens that didn't hit last cycle. New ones can do 100x and more.

**raiders72001** · 12-15-23, 02:08 AM

Optional - let me know if you don't want me to post about these small caps since they are risky. Made some bad calls trying to extend the last bull run. Posting SAITAMI still bothers me. Easy to win early. Also there may be a dump late December, early January. It can happen before the ETF approval period. Whale manipulation since everyone will be buying leading up to it. After the ETF, it gets easy again.

**raiders72001** · 12-15-23, 02:21 AM

BONK #1 and HNT #2 winners last 24 hours of top 100.

**raiders72001** · 12-15-23, 03:38 AM

ORDI is another one in the very high risk category that makes no sense to me. It's marketcap is 58th but volume 6th. Who knows if it's fudged. Personally I bought but this is in the very high risk category. It's the #1 BRC-20 and it's not on Coinbase yet. Do not go crazy if you pick up a little.

**Optional** · 12-15-23, 06:12 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Optional - let me know if you don't want me to post about these small caps since they are risky. Made some bad calls trying to extend the last bull run. Posting SAITAMI still bothers me. Easy to win early. Also there may be a dump late December, early January. It can happen before the ETF approval period. Whale manipulation since everyone will be buying leading up to it. After the ETF, it gets easy again.

I have no problem with anything you have ever posted Raiders.

Ramping up another obv pump n dump, or highly likely scam, every other week was all I was hating on. Discussing the reasoning and risks of stuff is not that.

**Arky** · 12-15-23, 08:01 AM

Good info, Raiders. I got everything tied up at the moment so I'm sitting this one out.

Can't deny the big buzz going around on some of the tokens you mention.

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From today's CryptoCompare newsletter:

Solana’s Saga Phone Sees Sales Soar Over BONK Token Airdrop

Solana’s Saga phone has become a hot commodity thanks to the rise of Solana-based memecoin BONK, as there’s a 30 million token airdrop for every new phone owner, which is currently valued at around $700, above the phone’s $599 price tag.

Sales of the Saga phone have skyrocketed, exceeding tenfold in just 48 hours. They're now expected to sell out before the new year, as noted by Solana co-founder Raj Gokal on social media.

The overwhelming surge in demand has seen Gokal’s counterpart Anatoly Yakovenko say the phone’s price needs to increase. The Saga is a blockchain-powered smartphone that boasts unique capabilities for secure crypto storage using its in-built hardware.

Solana wallets holding the Saga Genesis Token obtained upon activating the Saga phone can claim 30 million BONK tokens within the Bonk DApp, which is available from the Saga’s custom DApp store.

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 12-15-23, 09:28 AM

Props to Raiders, Arky et al. Posting good info, even if some of it is over my head.

I'm always looking for practical application. One question I might ask of the Field. And this ties to a Will Clemente video I watched.

I would have thought that the Halving is the key BTC price driver right now. Will correctly pointed out that each halving has a smaller and smaller % impact on the pool of available coins (as we approach the full 21.0Mill).

So, two-part question:
1) Are you convinced we are in a BTC bull-run?
2) If so, what is the KEY DRIVER? Halving cycle? December pattern? Potential ETF approval?

**raiders72001** · 12-15-23, 10:41 AM

Originally posted by Arky

Good info, Raiders. I got everything tied up at the moment so I'm sitting this one out.

Can't deny the big buzz going around on some of the tokens you mention.

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From today's CryptoCompare newsletter:

Solana’s Saga Phone Sees Sales Soar Over BONK Token Airdrop

Solana’s Saga phone has become a hot commodity thanks to the rise of Solana-based memecoin BONK, as there’s a 30 million token airdrop for every new phone owner, which is currently valued at around $700, above the phone’s $599 price tag.

Sales of the Saga phone have skyrocketed, exceeding tenfold in just 48 hours. They're now expected to sell out before the new year, as noted by Solana co-founder Raj Gokal on social media.

The overwhelming surge in demand has seen Gokal’s counterpart Anatoly Yakovenko say the phone’s price needs to increase. The Saga is a blockchain-powered smartphone that boasts unique capabilities for secure crypto storage using its in-built hardware.

Solana wallets holding the Saga Genesis Token obtained upon activating the Saga phone can claim 30 million BONK tokens within the Bonk DApp, which is available from the Saga’s custom DApp store.

Solana has been making brilliant moves. Same is going to happen with BTC. Price goes up prior to halving, media and everyone else starts talking about it, FOMO sets in.

**raiders72001** · 12-15-23, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat

Props to Raiders, Arky et al. Posting good info, even if some of it is over my head.

I'm always looking for practical application. One question I might ask of the Field. And this ties to a Will Clemente video I watched.

I would have thought that the Halving is the key BTC price driver right now. Will correctly pointed out that each halving has a smaller and smaller % impact on the pool of available coins (as we approach the full 21.0Mill).

So, two-part question:
1) Are you convinced we are in a BTC bull-run?
2) If so, what is the KEY DRIVER? Halving cycle? December pattern? Potential ETF approval?

Halving is always the key. Solona and Blackrock know this which is why they time there moves leading into a bull run and it does help. We've been predicting this and waiting for years. Admittedly, everything else that can go right to boost the price has gone right. My feeling is that YouTubers have to attribute it to something else to fill up space and get views although they may really believe it. What else are they going to talk about on YouTube if they just give credit to the halving. They come up with reasons after the fact. We predict, I'm talking everyone here that's been waiting, before the fact. All said there could be another huge pull back. If so, it will be close to ETF approval. Then the ETF gets approved and things go wild.

**risKingDigits** · 12-15-23, 10:51 AM

Bitcoins volatility is seeing an unprecedented low, could be a sign of major players/institutions buying in for long term holdings. For an asset that is decentralized, it is somewhat bothering that the wales or powers to be can master manipulate the market to a certain extent, if they operate in a fashion to the emotionally driven stock market.

One concern I have is the mainstream noise Bitcoin has anymore. Yes it’s a limited commodity but there is so much speculation and people throwing out crazy ATH numbers, I feel as we are trending with smoother volatility index, it is a sign that massive price surges in the past are going to be more moderate.

I suppose the other side of the coin (pun intended) is it’s the calm before the storm and the “Big One” is looming.

I have my eye on BITI…I am not sure that pre halving we don’t see a huge dip, having that crystal ball to know what side of the fence to be on is UNKOWN.

**raiders72001** · 12-15-23, 10:52 AM

I'm a believer of grabbing profits on everything on the way up except for BTC and ETH. The drops in the alts can be huge. Reinvest after the next dump.

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 12-15-23, 10:56 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Halving is always the key. Solona and Blackrock know this which is why they time there moves leading into a bull run and it does help. We've been predicting this and waiting for years. Admittedly, everything else that can go right to boost the price has gone right. My feeling is that YouTubers have to attribute it to something else to fill up space and get views although they may really believe it. What else are they going to talk about on YouTube if they just give credit to the halving. They come up with reasons after the fact. We predict before the fact. All said there could be another huge pull back. If so, it will be close to ETF approval. Then the ETF gets approved and things go wild.

Salud, Raid. Thank you for this post.

Yes, anybody can read the boxscore and be a Monday Morning QB. Predicting it and staying ahead of the curve is much harder.

Just a few things:
1) When one reviews the fractal around the Halving cycle, it looks so similar. You reset the price at the start of each cycle. On a relative basis, the patterns are so similar.
2) I continue to use the example of Supply/Demand that you'd see in a 1st-semester Economics class. As long as demand is strong, the supply-side is immutable. Securing coin is going to feel like getting thru a bottleneck.

**raiders72001** · 12-15-23, 11:17 AM

Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat

Salud, Raid. Thank you for this post.

Yes, anybody can read the boxscore and be a Monday Morning QB. Predicting it and staying ahead of the curve is much harder.

Just a few things:
1) When one reviews the fractal around the Halving cycle, it looks so similar. You reset the price at the start of each cycle. On a relative basis, the patterns are so similar.
2) I continue to use the example of Supply/Demand that you'd see in a 1st-semester Economics class. As long as demand is strong, the supply-side is immutable. Securing coin is going to feel like getting thru a bottleneck.

Interesting and very good points.

**homie1975** · 12-15-23, 11:28 AM

Raiders
what are your thoughts on buying and holding or trading BTC (and ETH for that matter) on a platform like Robinhood where one owns the certificate but not the actual coin.

I like the ease of use and low to no fees on RH rather than an exchange and having to deal with cold wallets etc etc that i do not fully understand or find easy to use.

RH buying and trading and holding is so convenient.

what do you think, pros and cons, and would you do it?

**raiders72001** · 12-15-23, 11:29 AM

Big YouTuber's aren't going to stick there necks out too far. I few bad predictions and people stop watching. Good info comes from the smaller YouTuber's. They are finding things on alts way ahead of time because they need too.

**raiders72001** · 12-15-23, 11:34 AM

Originally posted by homie1975

Raiders
what are your thoughts on buying and holding or trading BTC (and ETH for that matter) on a platform like Robinhood where one owns the certificate but not the actual coin.

I like the ease of use and low to no fees on RH rather than an exchange and having to deal with cold wallets etc etc that i do not fully understand or find easy to use.

RH buying and trading and holding is so convenient.

what do you think, pros and cons, and would you do it?

I don't think it really matters if you hold the certificate or the coin. I know you've been successful swing trading. It's a really good method especially in the bear market. I was day trading for years but that goes back some ways. You have to be more careful in a bull run. There's a possibility of getting caught on the sidelines.