Bitcoin Price Tracking & Discussion -- 2025

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 11-09-21, 10:18 AM

Thank you, Raiders! I've compared the 4q Daily BTC results: 2013 vs 2017 vs 2021. Yes, all the volatility metrics have slowed down, I don't see a HUGE down-tick coming.

The Daily mean is still positive but not as high. More importantly, the Variance, Skewness and Kurtosis are all down significantly. In the previous cycles, behavior was violent.

**raiders72001** · 11-09-21, 10:18 AM

Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat

Thank you, Raiders! I've compared the 4q Daily BTC results: 2013 vs 2017 vs 2021. Yes, all the volatility metrics have slowed down, I don't see a HUGE down-tick coming.

The Daily mean is still positive but not as high. More importantly, the Variance, Skewness and Kurtosis are all down significantly. In the previous cycles, behavior was violent.

good stuff.

**trytrytry** · 11-09-21, 10:29 AM

you bitcoin beyond experts thanks for so much info now and over the years.

question a major exchange has created last month a coin called
BCHA Bitcoin Cash ABC
and left some in my account (some split or something from bitcoin cash I suppose)
I did not do anything the coins just appeared.

on the exchange no way to turn it into another coin like tether or BTC directly on the exchange, only option is withdraw to a wallet.

any ideas where to send it to eventually turn it into a coin that can be traded a bit easier?

thanks

**raiders72001** · 11-09-21, 10:47 AM

Originally posted by trytrytry

you bitcoin beyond experts thanks for so much info now and over the years.

question a major exchange has created last month a coin called
BCHA Bitcoin Cash ABC
and left some in my account (some split or something from bitcoin cash I suppose)
I did not do anything the coins just appeared.

on the exchange no way to turn it into another coin like tether or BTC directly on the exchange, only option is withdraw to a wallet.

any ideas where to send it to eventually turn it into a coin that can be traded a bit easier?

thanks

KuCoin. It's also rebranded to eCash (XEC).

**MrSink** · 11-09-21, 10:48 AM

2hours + interview with saylor on pompilianos best busineess show

**onetrikpony** · 11-09-21, 10:48 AM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Halving does have an affect since new production and rewards get cut in half. It's great for bitcoin that we've had a volatility slow down. It'll also be nice not seeing a huge crash and that's how I see it now. This is a change of my previous stance where I felt the same pattern would exist this year as existed in 2013 and 2017. Institutional money has changed the game. A major crash at this time would kill the future of bitcoin and that's not the best interest of anyone.

Some day bitcoin will have to switch from PoW to PoS for scalability and fees. If the change that ETH is making from PoW to PoS works, that will open a lot of eyes. If there isn't a switch, there will have to be a bitcoin fork to increase the maximum supply.

What would you consider a major crash?After this cycle completes a 50% or more drop in the btc price is possible and in fact likely.The question is will the drop be from a cycle high of $75000, $100,000,$135,000,$180,000 or higher.

**firedawg** · 11-09-21, 10:51 AM

ku coin is hard to get used to on mobile

i’m trying lol

**onetrikpony** · 11-09-21, 10:54 AM

Any opinions on lengthening cycles/diminishing returns/declining ROI/logarithmic regression.As the asset matures reduced volatility also brings less opportunity for parabolic returns.The next halving cycle in 2024 will be less volatile than this one and this one less volatile than 2017 In my opinion this is the last great opportunity

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 11-09-21, 11:01 AM

Originally posted by onetrikpony

Any opinions on lengthening cycles/diminishing returns/declining ROI/logarithmic regression.As the asset matures reduced volatility also brings less opportunity for parabolic returns.The next halving cycle in 2024 will be less volatile than this one and this one less volatile than 2017 In my opinion this is the last great opportunity

I think there's some truth to what you're saying. See my notes above.

As this cycle plays out, I think there's going to be enough market cap that it becomes more like a NORMAL market. Anyone charting BTC sees the SMALLER jumps and the SMALLER dips. I'd like to think that we don't see a Top to Trough correction of 50% in 2022.

**firedawg** · 11-09-21, 11:06 AM

is there a better way to move crypto ?

i was going to send 500 in bitcoin to crypto com out of voyager to buy some sand box, but the fees are like 70 bucks???

**onetrikpony** · 11-09-21, 11:52 AM

Are you sure that is almost 15%?You can always try trading btc for a coin with lower transfer fees and transfer that coin but then you pay the trading fee and it looks like the btc fees are low.
Withdrawal fees on Voyager can be expensive. These vary depending on the cryptocurrency you're withdrawing. For some stablecoins, Voyager charges withdrawal fees equivalent to $35. Here are Voyager's withdrawal fees on the most popular cryptocurrencies:

Bitcoin (BTC)	0.0005
Ethereum (ETH)	0.00436
Cardano (ADA)	2
Tether (USDT)	35
USD Coin (USDC)	35

**biggie12** · 11-09-21, 12:22 PM

I'll say it one more time for those that have missed it.

For you guys in the states u should be holding your very big amounts of crypto on a hardware wallet.

Your second choice should be the safepal wallet. On safepal you can access binance without kyc trade between any coins u want the fees like be much lower then the exchanges.

**swordsandtequila** · 11-09-21, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by firedawg

is there a better way to move crypto ?

i was going to send 500 in bitcoin to crypto com out of voyager to buy some sand box, but the fees are like 70 bucks???

Fees per crypto change month to month on Voyager, so no list with all the fees, at least from what I can find. One thing I don't like about them. The only way to check a particular fee is if you hold that crypto. Litecoin was cheap last time I transferred out to an external wallet, but that's been a while back. Online you can find posts (reddit, etc.) with fees listed but the dates vary.

**Arky** · 11-09-21, 02:42 PM

Originally posted by firedawg

is there a better way to move crypto ?

i was going to send 500 in bitcoin to crypto com out of voyager to buy some sand box, but the fees are like 70 bucks???

As mentioned, coverting to Litecoin can save on the fees. Converting to Bitcoin Cash is another cheap transfer option. XLM, XRP, EOS are all pennies to send....

What about using regular ol' fiat (cash)?

**firedawg** · 11-09-21, 02:45 PM

ty guys

anyone looking at any NFTs that havnt gotten going yet?

young projects ?
if so which and on what platforms

ty

**BeatTheJerk** · 11-09-21, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by biggie12

I'll say it one more time for those that have missed it.

For you guys in the states u should be holding your very big amounts of crypto on a hardware wallet.

Your second choice should be the safepal wallet. On safepal you can access binance without kyc trade between any coins u want the fees like be much lower then the exchanges.

A couple months ago you told LTC is a shit coin, do you still think that long haul ?

**raiders72001** · 11-09-21, 02:54 PM

Originally posted by onetrikpony

What would you consider a major crash?After this cycle completes a 50% or more drop in the btc price is possible and in fact likely.The question is will the drop be from a cycle high of $75000, $100,000,$135,000,$180,000 or higher.

The crashes $31 to $2 and $20,000 to $300 were major crashes. The 2018 crash was helped by the ICO boom and the subsequent fraud that ensued . I agree that 50% from the all time high wouldn't be unreasonable at all, in fact it already happened once in this run. If we hit $100k, the floor won't go down to $10k. As is there will be a $30k floor.

**raiders72001** · 11-09-21, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by onetrikpony

Any opinions on lengthening cycles/diminishing returns/declining ROI/logarithmic regression.As the asset matures reduced volatility also brings less opportunity for parabolic returns.The next halving cycle in 2024 will be less volatile than this one and this one less volatile than 2017 In my opinion this is the last great opportunity

This could be the last great opportunity and part of the reason I'm taking a lot of long shots right now.

**raiders72001** · 11-09-21, 02:58 PM

Originally posted by MrSink

2hours + interview with saylor on pompilianos best busineess show

Pomp is really good but he was wrong with Bitboy.

**swordsandtequila** · 11-09-21, 03:12 PM

Originally posted by Arky

As mentioned, coverting to Litecoin can save on the fees. Converting to Bitcoin Cash is another cheap transfer option. XLM, XRP, EOS are all pennies to send....

What about using regular ol' fiat (cash)?

Pardon me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he's referring to network fees. I assume he means the fee that Voyager charges to withdraw (crypto). They charge a flat rate which varies per coin, in some cases quite expensive. The only way to know each individual fee (it fluctuates) is in the app and only if you have said crypto. One aspect I don't like about them, should be posted on their website or in app for all to see.

**firedawg** · 11-09-21, 03:25 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

Pomp is really good but he was wrong with Bitboy.

check dm pal

**trytrytry** · 11-09-21, 04:14 PM

Originally posted by raiders72001

KuCoin. It's also rebranded to eCash (XEC).

is there an exchange where I can send this bitcoin cash BCHA and then transfer this (or if its now called XEC) to say bitcoin?

right now its in an exchange that has no ability to do anything with it other than withdraw to another wallet address, dont think any psortsbooks take this minor crypto!

**biggie12** · 11-09-21, 04:26 PM

try try try look at my last post safepal wallet

**biggie12** · 11-09-21, 04:27 PM

Originally posted by BeatTheJerk

A couple months ago you told LTC is a shit coin, do you still think that long haul ?

I still haven't acquired any. Pretty sure I was saying harmony ONE was a much better option.

**biggie12** · 11-09-21, 04:29 PM

Originally posted by firedawg

ty guys

anyone looking at any NFTs that havnt gotten going yet?

young projects ?
if so which and on what platforms

ty

I tried to get wipemyass.io nft today but sold out before I was quick enough to grab some

**themike78** · 11-09-21, 05:01 PM

Originally posted by BeatTheJerk

A couple months ago you told LTC is a shit coin, do you still think that long haul ?

Yes. Just like all other crypto it will be worth zero in about a week.

**themike78** · 11-09-21, 05:05 PM

Bitcoin starting to go down big. It will go down about $57,000 more tonight.

**BeatTheJerk** · 11-09-21, 05:08 PM

Originally posted by themike78

Bitcoin starting to go down big. It will go down about $57,000 more tonight.

You got the biggest fuckin’ bag on the block don’t you pal been fading crypto all this time good for you being so smart & wealthy.

**Ghenghis Kahn** · 11-09-21, 08:11 PM

Kadena looks promising. Initially bought at $3, sold all at $8, and FOMO'd back in at $17

**raiders72001** · 11-09-21, 08:58 PM

Congrats to all you KDA guys. I missed out on it.

**Arky** · 11-09-21, 11:06 PM

Originally posted by swordsandtequila

Pardon me if I'm wrong, but I don't think he's referring to network fees. I assume he means the fee that Voyager charges to withdraw (crypto). They charge a flat rate which varies per coin, in some cases quite expensive. The only way to know each individual fee (it fluctuates) is in the app and only if you have said crypto. One aspect I don't like about them, should be posted on their website or in app for all to see.

Yes, good point. I think some wallets/exchanges charge the going network fee + a little something for themselves. I have no idea how Voyager does it. Unless it's a flat rate for all coins, they probably have some variation that depends on the network.

I used the Celsius wallet for a while - another one of the interest-earning wallets. Hated their withdrawal white list. It takes 24 hours to get a withdrawal address whitelisted. Several times, I wanted to buy something right then but had to wait 24 hours. It cost me several times. Finally, I got fed up and withdrew everything. One good thing was there were no withdraw fees with Celsius - they paid for all withdraws - so there's that....

**ChuckyTheGoat** · 11-10-21, 07:43 AM

LTC: up more than 40% over L72 hours.

Lovin it. Anyone have a news item that is reason for this move?

Per usual, thanks to Raiders for talking me into holding (not selling) my LTC.

**themike78** · 11-10-21, 07:50 AM

Originally posted by ChuckyTheGoat

LTC: up more than 40% over L72 hours.

Lovin it. Anyone have a news item that is reason for this move?

Per usual, thanks to Raiders for talking me into holding (not selling) my LTC.

Yes I have some info. It is only up temporarily and will start to go down today. By Friday litecoin will be worth zero.

**biggie12** · 11-10-21, 09:12 AM

Originally posted by themike78

Yes I have some info. It is only up temporarily and will start to go down today. By Friday litecoin will be worth zero.

mike will $10 get you to stop posting in this thread. link wallet . Your annoying as penetrate

**pablo222** · 11-10-21, 09:18 AM

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