Why are relievers so bad?

[No coincidences]

Honest question. What other sport do you see athletes this bad at their jobs? It's like an epidemic throughout baseball. There are so many relievers with no business being in the game at all, let alone at the MLB level.

I had Oakland today. When the A's went down 4-2, they might as well have been down 100-2. Yet this Santiago cat comes in and gives up 5 hits and 3 runs while getting one out? Against this anemic offense? Are you kidding me?

[dlunc3]

yea i basically marked that game as a win... 5 minutes later i see oak scored maybe their first 3 run inning of the season with ease

[No coincidences]

Why is their even a "bullpen" in the first place? In other words, why aren't relievers in the dugout vs. sitting by themselves, napping and dicking around away from the action and the rest of their teammates? Maybe that's part of the problem -- they're so disengaged that when they need to "turn it on," many of them can't. It's kind of like hitters who can't handle the DH because they aren't on the field and can't get into any kind of rhythm.

[Finch Dinero]

Hector Santiago is the worst fukkin closer in the league.

[MatI]

Why do you ask such stupid questions all the time?

Between the White Sox & A's, they used 9 relief pitches, 6 of those didnt give up any runs and only 3 hits, yet now all relief pitchers are useless.

I'm surprised your not calling it a fix.

[paco]

Again...

Internet / -1	Ticket #: 14659 Apr 25 02:42 PM Apr 25 03:40 PM Apr 25 03:35 PM	MLB MLB MLB	PARLAY (3 TEAMS) [905] CARDINALS (STL) -165 ( L LYNN -R / C VOLSTAD -R ) [907] PHILLIES (PHI) -113 ( C HAMELS -L/ ACTION ) [917] WHITE SOX (CWS) -135 ( C SALE -L/ ACTION )	54 / 231	-54	LOSE WIN WIN LOSE	04/25/2012 02:06 PM

[dlunc3]

Why do you ask such stupid questions all the time?

Between the White Sox & A's, they used 9 relief pitches, 6 of those didnt give up any runs and only 3 hits, yet now all relief pitchers are useless.

I'm surprised your not calling it a fix.

there were two blown saves in this game... tough to really act like they did a good job

[MatI]

there were two blown saves in this game... tough to really act like they did a good job

But even harder to act as if it's happening across the board... one game fellas, one game.

And I was on chisox.

[HoulihansTX]

Relievers suck, b/c most of them are failed starters.

So you have failures still trying to find success.

[ebbearsfb1]

baseball is the only sport, you can be completely junk and still have a job.

just look at some hitters batting under .200..

failing over 8 out of 10 times. and still keeping a job

[t-wizzle]

Because the majority of them aren't good enough enough to be starters.

You've been watching baseball for a long time no coin, I really can't believe you made this thread. The game is a lot different in the last 3 innings than the first 6.

[dlunc3]

But even harder to act as if it's happening across the board... one game fellas, one game.

And I was on chisox.

tell that to the $4,500 the cards cost me in b2b 9th innings the last two nights and the $500 the White Sox cost me today (at least it took a 9th inning blown save to get to that point today)

[dlunc3]

happens too much... 1 run leads are never safe

[paco]

tell that to the $4,500 the cards cost me in b2b 9th innings the last two nights and the $500 the White Sox cost me today (at least it took a 9th inning blown save to get to that point today)

We have the same luck these last 3 days bro. Sickening, im just grateful I played em all str8 to make a few bucks, but what coulda been

[MatI]

tell that to the $4,500 the cards cost me in b2b 9th innings the last two nights and the $500 the White Sox cost me today (at least it took a 9th inning blown save to get to that point today)

So you have a talent to pick the bad beat each night. I guess your regretting taking the Cards today.

[dlunc3]

We have the same luck these last 3 days bro. Sickening, im just grateful I played em all str8 to make a few bucks, but what coulda been

haha I noticed that... everywhere I go to bitch, you beat me to it

[dlunc3]

So you have a talent to pick the bad beat each night. I guess your regretting taking the Cards today.

third time was the charm today cant even enjoy it though knowing that they shoulda swept this series

[paco]

Dlunc, I bet my boy $20 that I was gonna lose the whitesox parlay when sox went up 4-2. I told him my parlays always find a wy to lose with less than 2 outs left. He was shocked

[dlunc3]

Dlunc, I bet my boy $20 that I was gonna lose the whitesox parlay when sox went up 4-2. I told him my parlays always find a wy to lose with less than 2 outs left. He was shocked

Nice.. at least you were able to hedge a little.. Learning to expect it to happen that way im not as furious after the fact. Im prepared for 7 runs in the last 2.5 runs in this sf game

[dlunc3]

2.5 innings** (why am i not able to edit? )

[No coincidences]

Because the majority of them aren't good enough enough to be starters.

You've been watching baseball for a long time no coin, I really can't believe you made this thread. The game is a lot different in the last 3 innings than the first 6.

I don't remember there being a problem with relief pitching until the steroid era, and it's carried over from there.

Guys like Brandon Lyon and Kevin Gregg wouldn't even have jobs if they were this bad in any other profession, yet not only do they make millions in baseball, they've actually been closers for teams. Unreal.

[paco]

Dlunc, this is how I deal with it, maybe it will work for u, let off ssome steam

[lunchbawks]

nocoin you have to take into account that relief pitching is brought in when NEEDED... aka usually there's a runner on base
it's no surprise that relief pitchers give up runs, they're often brought in to get out of trouble.

[taxe91]

nocoin you have to take into account that relief pitching is brought in when NEEDED... aka usually there's a runner on base
it's no surprise that relief pitchers give up runs, they're often brought in to get out of trouble.

that doesnt explain at all why relievers ERA is higher than starters ERA

[dlunc3]

NTERNET / -1

Ticket #: 69018496 Apr 25 10:10 PM

MLB

STRAIGHT BET [916] LOS -118 ( B BEACHY -R / T LILLY -L )

222 / 188

-222

LOSE LOSE

04/25/2012 08:01 AM

[HOT WINGS]

NTERNET / -1

Ticket #: 69018496 Apr 25 10:10 PM

MLB

STRAIGHT BET [916] LOS -118 ( B BEACHY -R / T LILLY -L )

222 / 188

-222

LOSE LOSE

04/25/2012 08:01 AM

Feel your pain..... Fukking Guerra

[hydrosmak]

Add Cin/SF and MIA/NYM games to the list where bullpens decide the game. But you are right Matl, nothing to see here...

[hydrosmak]

Add that horrid Angels bullpen for a day game trifecta!

[dlunc3]

what happened to the one blown save i needed? wtf seattle

[dlunc3]

INTERNET / -1	Ticket #: 69058408 Apr 26 10:05 PM	MLB	STRAIGHT BET [955] WAS -107 ( E JACKSON -R / E VOLQUEZ -R )	101 / 94	-101	LOSE LOSE	04/25/2012 10:27 PM
INTERNET / -1	Ticket #: 69063331 Apr 26 10:05 PM	MLB	STRAIGHT BET [955] WAS -115 ( E JACKSON -R / E VOLQUEZ -R )	216 / 188	-216	LOSE LOSE	04/26/2012 09:10 AM

[dlunc3]

Apr 27 07:06 PM	INTERNET / -1	Apr 27 10:16 AM	MLB	STRAIGHT BET [920] TOR BLUE JAYS -200 ( ACTION )	386 / 193
Apr 27 07:06 PM	INTERNET / -1	Apr 27 10:16 AM	MLB	STRAIGHT BET [920] TOR BLUE JAYS -1½EV ( B BEAVAN -R / R ROMERO -L )	193 / 193

Straight Wager 04/27/12 18:40 ET bet 413.60 to win 376.00 Result: Pending

Seattle Mariners B Beavan Toronto Blue Jays R Romero 04/27/2012(19:05 ET) Under 8.5

its amazing how these guys keep their jobs... it happens every night

[hydrosmak]

Angels pen ruins it for them as well. Nothing to see here though guys. MatL said so...

[antifoil]

there is an institutional problem with the way relievers are used because of the save stat.

relievers like chapman should be used and paid as the best relievers. having a long reliever that you can bring in for 3 innings every few days to close the game out is more valuable than a guy that is overpaid pitching one inning. managers are a slave to the save stat and the savvy small market teams that would do this don't because if you get a reliever saves they will be type A free agents where they can get compensation picks in the draft.

[dlunc3]

Ticket#:69137504
Apr 28 09:10 PM
INTERNET / -1Apr 28 11:11 AM
MLB

STRAIGHT BET
[965] WAS -117
( STRASBURG -R/ ACTION )

674 / 576





I am getting so sick of having to post in this thread.. it is absolutely unreal how many 9th inning blown saves there have been this week.. not just 1 run, but repeatedly blowing 2+ runs... so digusting

[1sob]

too many water down so called pieces of shit relievers
wash cost me $400