SBR Sportsbook: SFO vs CIN

[SBR Lou]

As you may know, there was a pitcher change from Willis to Maloney, back to Willis again.

By rule, after the change was announced, listed bets were auto-canceled. The game started a minute ago, with Maloney tickets canceled and Willis again listed. We cannot reinstate the original wagers unfortunately, though in this situation we would if we could.

[LovetoSpooge]

understandable really i was waiting for san fran to win so I could freeroll and complain to my book as i wasnt aware of this change

[pinnerpsk]

That's a trip. Oh well

[no1here]

did not bet here but box I checked at bodog says as long as they start I do believe meaning should not be cancel till game time

[Kaabee]

how about the promo runline bets? they wouldn't be affected since it was ev/ev no matter what

[hhsilver]

Lou,

My play for this game was a free play. It no longer shows among my open plays (game is still in progress). BUT, the amount seems to have not yet been returned to my free play balance. May I assume you wouldn't count this as a free play loss? I would think that once the play is removed from the open play list the amount would be available for another free play.

Edit to add this: Long after the change from Willis to Maloney and back to Willis ( and I think after the game started) I looked and saw the play was still listed among my open plays. So I don't understand this auto-cancel right after the first change thing. And when it was finally canceled , I am wondering why the free play amount was no longer available.

[Killer_Demo]

so if I bet on the opening SFG line its invalid?

[vitalyo]

SBR sportsbook settle my bet incorrectly

internet / -1 Ticket #: 872818
Jul 29 07:10 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[8502] TOTAL u8½EV (SFO vrs CIN)
( VOGELSONG -R / D WILLIS -L )

240.00 / 240.00

0.00
NO BET
N/A PITCHER
07/29/2011 10:16 AM


VOGELSONG and WILLIS Pitch this this game so why you graded my wager NO BET ???

GL.

[ThaddeusB]

As you may know, there was a pitcher change from Willis to Maloney, back to Willis again.

By rule, after the change was announced, listed bets were auto-canceled. The game started a minute ago, with Maloney tickets canceled and Willis again listed. We cannot reinstate the original wagers unfortunately, though in this situation we would if we could.

You may not be able to undo the void, but you could manually pay anyone who complains.

I'm sure 99% of the RL action was on SF +1.5 +100, so its not like you'd be losing out much on the voided losers and not nearly all the winners would file a claim. Thus, you'd still be paying out less overall than if yu'd (properly) let the bets stand.

Thaddeus

[HedgeHog]

So why is this ticket not a winner? Listed pitchers went...end of story. I think I got free-rolled by the SBR Sportsbook.

Internet / -1
Ticket #: 872857
Jul 29 07:10 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[8501] SFO +1½EV
( VOGELSONG -R / D WILLIS -L )

100.00 / 100.00

0.00
NO BET
N/A PITCHER
07/29/2011 10:29 AM

[Bcatswin]

So anyone who took the Reds were screwed Lou? There was a thread an hour before game time saying this was wrong and that Willis was pitching, he was never not. It was a misread tweet on twitter. They never took him out.

[vividjohn45]

willis is still pitching? in the MLB? JEE- sus

[BettingGeek]

Listed pitcher pitched. Winna!!!

Internet / -1 Ticket #: 873285
Jul 29 07:10 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[8501] SFO +1½EV
( VOGELSONG -R / D WILLIS -L )

100.00 / 100.00

0.00
NO BET
07/29/2011 12:12 PM

[aceking]

Internet / -1 Ticket #: 872839
Jul 29 07:10 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[8501] SFO +1½EV
( VOGELSONG -R / D WILLIS -L )

250.00 / 250.00

0.00
NO BET
N/A PITCHER
07/29/2011 10:22 AM

[hhsilver]

I'm still waiting to have my free play points put back in my free play balance. If a book counted a free play as a loss in this situation, I'd be seeking help from SBR. So who do I ask for help now? I guess I could ask SBR to reason with SBR over this.

Actually, I believe these bets should be paid. Willis started. Many times we have had problems with contests and results were always corrected manually, as Thaddeus said earlier. Maybe that's what they are discussing and that is why it's approaching 24 hours and no mod has come back to this thread.

Ticket #: 872891
Jul 29 07:10 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET (FP)
[8501] SFO +1½EV
( VOGELSONG -R / D WILLIS -L )

0.00 / 100.00

0.00
NO BET
N/A PITCHER
07/29/2011 10:38 AM

[JohnGalt2341]

As you may know, there was a pitcher change from Willis to Maloney, back to Willis again. By rule, after the change was announced, listed bets were auto-canceled. The game started a minute ago, with Maloney tickets canceled and Willis again listed. We cannot reinstate the original wagers unfortunately, though in this situation we would if we could.

I had SF at 5dimes. They graded it as a loss. Do I have a legitimate case to get my money back?

[SBR Lou]

So why is this ticket not a winner? Listed pitchers went...end of story. I think I got free-rolled by the SBR Sportsbook.

Silly position to take when the wagers were canceled PRIOR to game-time.

Your FP has now been refunded, FP's aren't auto-no actioned like cash plays.

[face]

Edit by Lou: You bet ACTION. This means you had action on your wager regardless of any pitching changes.



_________

my wager counted as a loss.


Internet / -1 Ticket #: 873735
Jul 29 07:10 PM

MLB
STRAIGHT BET
[9555] SFO ML-105
( ACTION )

5.00 / 4.76

-5.00
LOSE
LOSE
07/29/2011 03:03 PM

[SBR Lou]

I had SF at 5Dimes. They graded it as a loss. Do I have a legitimate case to get my money back?

Doesn't sound like it. Actually what the SBR Sportsbook should have done is simply wait until opening pitch and then determine if any bets needed to be refunded, rather than no-action prior to game-time.

If you'd like a formal review into your 5Dimes situation (and haven't already tried them via live help), you can shoot us a note via complaint form.

[BettingGeek]

Well to clarify, there was a pitcher change and so in accordance to that those listed bets were voided. Then there was another scratch and it was announced the original was getting the start. There's nothing we can do there. Though the original pitcher was re-listed prior to gametime, if someone feels they were short-changed they can shoot me a PM.

To keep this thread on track, please use the notice thread we hung on last night's game or send me a message directly.

So Can I have my winning points?

[dj_destroyer]

Every single poster in here is a nub or trolling... No need to answer any of these idiots, Lou. This was standard across the industry.

[Reds_FAN]

So anyone who took the Reds were screwed Lou? There was a thread an hour before game time saying this was wrong and that Willis was pitching, he was never not. It was a misread tweet on twitter. They never took him out.

EXACTLY.

Maloney is not even on the roster! Some dude completely misread a tweet, and the whole world span out of control. At no time was Maloney scheduled to start.

[SBR Lou]

Some dude completely misread a tweet, and the whole world span out of control. At no time was Maloney scheduled to start.

Everyone made the change, including Donbest/all the feed services the books subscribe to.

It's unfortunate. We can say the SBR sportsbook screwed us by applying pitching changes or send me a PM and I'll review. I think you guys might be content duking it out in here though. =)

[ThaddeusB]

Every single poster in here is a nub or trolling... No need to answer any of these idiots, Lou. This was standard across the industry.

Considering not all books voided the bet, that is clearly not the case. Plus Lou himself said the bet should have counted but the software didn't allow SBR to reinstate it.

[hhsilver]

Every single poster in here is a nub or trolling... No need to answer any of these idiots, Lou. This was standard across the industry.

Please read carefully before using the word "every". My case was that my Free Play was treated as a loss - not a do over.


By the way , it's been fixed. Thanks, Lou.

[hhsilver]

Quote:
Originally Posted by HedgeHog View Post
So why is this ticket not a winner? Listed pitchers went...end of story. I think I got free-rolled by the SBR Sportsbook.

Silly position to take when the wagers were canceled PRIOR to game-time.

Your FP has now been refunded, FP's aren't auto-no actioned like cash plays.

Lou, you quoted Hedgehog when you gave your answer (see above 2 quotes). He didn't have a free play. I'm the one who had the FP refunded and I had said nothing about free roll.

I just want you to be sure about who you are answering about a silly position to take..

[ThaddeusB]

Quote:
Originally Posted by HedgeHog View Post
So why is this ticket not a winner? Listed pitchers went...end of story. I think I got free-rolled by the SBR Sportsbook.




Lou, you quoted Hedgehog when you gave your answer (see above 2 quotes). He didn't have a free play. I'm the one who had the FP refunded and I had said nothing about free roll.

I just want you to be sure about who you are answering about a silly position to take..

Being freerolled means the book lets a bad wager stand until the game result is known and then only voids it if the games goes the wrong way. A freeplay is a bonus from the casino. The two are completely different things and thus Lou meant what he said.

[hhsilver]

Being freerolled means the book lets a bad wager stand until the game result is known and then only voids it if the games goes the wrong way. A freeplay is a bonus from the casino. The two are completely different things and thus Lou meant what he said.

Yes, Thad . I know the difference between the two. But I don't think you are seeing the point of my post ( I might not have made my intention clear enough and probably should have let it pass - same for this, but anyway...). I wanted to make it clear that I didn't accuse anyone of taking a freeroll. The way Lou quoted Hedge's post which mentioned the freeroll and also said " you got your Free Play back" made it look like he thought he was talking to me , the one who had the free play on that game. Hedgehog's play as shown above wasn't a free play, so saying "you got your free play back" could only apply to me ( in this thread).

I guess I didn't want Lou, or anyone, thinking I had accused sbr of taking a freeroll.

[yisman]

This did not work out for me. I had SF ML and RL in the sbr book.

[ThaddeusB]

Yes, Thad . I know the difference between the two. But I don't think you are seeing the point of my post ( I might not have made my intention clear enough and probably should have let it pass - same for this, but anyway...). I wanted to make it clear that I didn't accuse anyone of taking a freeroll. The way Lou quoted Hedge's post which mentioned the freeroll and also said " you got your Free Play back" made it look like he thought he was talking to me , the one who had the free play on that game. Hedgehog's play as shown above wasn't a free play, so saying "you got your free play back" could only apply to me ( in this thread).

I guess I didn't want Lou, or anyone, thinking I had accused sbr of taking a freeroll.

My apologies. I took another look and Lou's post is indeed confusing. Based on the gap, I assume he meant to quote you as well and answer 2 questions at once, but failed to do so.

Thaddeus

[HedgeHog]

Silly position to take when the wagers were canceled PRIOR to game-time.

Your FP has now been refunded, FP's aren't auto-no actioned like cash plays.

I don't get the FP argument. I wagered 100 points to win 100 points. All that was returned was the 100 points I risked and not the win amount. Bet should never have been canceled, and I didn't find out until after the fact (when did all bets get canceled?). The only thing silly is that you killed a legit bet. Where in the rules does it state this is proper? Lacking such a rule, SBR should be paying on these bets.

PS I think you are confused. My bet wasn't a FP.

[ThaddeusB]

I don't get the FP argument. I wagered 100 points to win 100 points. All that was returned was the 100 points I risked and not the win amount. Bet should never have been canceled, and I didn't find out until after the fact (when did all bets get canceled?). The only thing silly is that you killed a legit bet. Where in the rules does it state this is proper? Lacking such a rule, SBR should be paying on these bets.

PS I think you are confused. My bet wasn't a FP.

The bet shouldn't have been canceled, but you weren't freerolled. SBR canceled the bets well before game start, whereas freerolling would mean they waited until the result was known to decide to cancel or not cancel.

[JohnGalt2341]

This did not work out for me. I had SF ML and RL in the sbr book.

This worked out horribly for me as well. I had SF +1.5 at +100 for 250 points at SBR which was cancelled. I also had SF at -115 for $190 at 5Dimes. San Fran lost by 1 run and of course my bet was not cancelled and I lost my money. These 2 don't even bother me. What really bothers me is the very next night it happened to me again. I had Colorado vs San Diego Over 6 for $183 at +100 at Rebate Wager. They made a double pitching change and the original pitchers pitched and yet my bet was still cancelled. I filed a complaint but I'm not holding my breath.

I should also mention that I had money on Colorado to win(they won btw) the same night at JustBet and they didn't cancel my wager so at least I was paid for that. They even mentioned the double pitching change in the graded wager. JustBet should get some props for paying when apparently some other books won't.

[no1here]

from Thadd, SBR canceled the bets well before game start

from above
Long after the change from Willis to Maloney and back to Willis (and I think after the game started) I looked and saw the play was still listed among my open plays. So I don't understand this auto-cancel right after the first change thing. And when it was finally canceled