JMD Labby Method (system)

[J.M. Disciple]

People have to remember even though im only up aprox 4 units right now overall, its only been 4 days. If you can average 1 unit a day i think that is pretty good. i'm hoping i can average 2-3 units a day, but we will see how it works out @ seasons end.

I would like to thank all of those who are following me. Just rememeber its a slow steady grind. Its not a sprint, but a marathon. Keep your eye on the long run and dont worry about the short term results. Bankroll management is key to sports betting.

--jmd

[BetaB]

Here are the current Lines (Favorites)
L3: 3.58 / 3.58 / 3.58
L4: 4.17 / 4.17 /4.17 / 4.17 /4.17 / 4.17
L6&7: 2.5 / 2.5
L8: 12.92 / 12.92 / 12.92 / 12.92 / 12.92

Overall record: 27-24
Profit: +$9.49 or 1.9u

6/27
L8: 2:20pm ET; col/cub [13.73 – 8.32] Yes………..win
L8: 6:00 pm ET; TOR/DET [$10.40 to win $8.32] YES…. Lose
L8:7:00pm ET; CIN/TAM [$18.72 - $12.48] NO………Lose
L8: 8:00pm ET; LOS/MIN [$27.14 - $18.72] ODDS -145 NO…..Lose

Pending:
L8: (betting 1st two #s on the line) Kan/SD [$45.22 - $25.84] odds -175 (NO)
L8: (betting 3rd and 4th #s) ATL/SEA [$46.51 - $25.84] odds -180 (NO)
L4: Cle/ARI [$10.84 - $8.34] odds -130 NO
L4: Was/LAA [$12.93 - $8.34] odds -155 NO


These are the final games for the day. Ill update dogs in just a minutes.

Just curious, aren't you doing 4 strikes for L8? seem more like 2 strike there. With odd like -180 a 1-1 will get you nowhere using 2 strike.

[J.M. Disciple]

Just curious, aren't you doing 4 strikes for L8? seem more like 2 strike there. With odd like -180 a 1-1 will get you nowhere using 2 strike.

I originally did 4 strikes, but i was getting in weird spots and I did not think my bankroll would allow for 4 strikes, so i switched to 2 strike labby on 3rd day i believe. You are correct its 2 strike.

[J.M. Disciple]

Here are the current Lines (Favorites)
L3: 3.58 / 3.58 / 3.58
L4: 5.50 / 5.50 / 5.50 / 5.50 / 5.50
L6&7: 2.5 / 2.5
L8: 22.33 / 22.33 /22.33 / 22.33 /22.33 / 22.33 / 22.33

Overall record: 28-27
Profit: -$84.74 or -17u
$$$ in play: $199.55 or 39.91 units

6/27
L8: 2:20pm ET; col/cub [13.73 – 8.32] Yes………..win
L8: 6:00 pm ET; TOR/DET [$10.40 to win $8.32] YES…. Lose
L8:7:00pm ET; CIN/TAM [$18.72 - $12.48] NO………Lose
L8: 8:00pm ET; LOS/MIN [$27.14 - $18.72] ODDS -145 NO…..Lose
L8: (betting 1st two #s on the line) Kan/SD [$45.22 - $25.84] odds -175 (NO)……..lose
L8: (betting 3rd and 4th #s) ATL/SEA [$46.51 - $25.84] odds -180 (NO)…..lose
L4: Cle/ARI [$10.84 - $8.34] odds -130 NO……..Lose
L4: Was/LAA [$12.93 - $8.34] odds -155 NO……Win


DOGS:
Labby Lines
D1: Clear
D2: 3.33 / 3.33 / 3.33
Record: 6-2
Profit: +$28.70 or +5.74u

6/27
NO: 2:20pm ET; Col/Cubs [$5 to win $6.50] odds +130…………..Loss
NO: 6:00pm ET; Tor/DEt [ $6.30 to win $6]] odds -105…………Win
YES: 7:00pm ET; CIN/TAM [$6 to win $7.20] odds +120…….Win
Yes: L1: 8:00PM ET (LOS/MIN) [$5 - $5.75] odds +115 ……..Win
D1: Cle/Ari [5 -$5] odds+100 YES……………………………………….Win
D1: Kan/SDG [$5-$7.25] odds +145 Yes……………………………..Win
D2: Was/Laa [$5-$6.25] odds +125 Yes………………………………..lose
D2: ATL/sea [$5 -$7.50] odds +150 Yes…………………………………Win

We had a pretty awful day today. Seems like a really really awful day, but that is how some days are going to be. I believe in all we lost about 22.6 units if my #s are correct.

I'm pretty sure tomorrow will be a better day. I think we closed the day on favorites going like 2-7 or something. With the labby though you always make your bets back. Just be prepared to have a big enough bankroll to clear the lines tomorrow. There is an early game at 2:20pm ET. Most likely going to be NO runs 1st inning and I will be betting L8 on the first few games of the day.

Better luck tomorrow and don't think about the short term results.

[J.M. Disciple]

I'm glad no one got worked up after todays loss. Usually there is a lot of hate or trash talk in the thread when the system has a losing day. It should be made back tomorrow. Just based on law of averages. I probably dont have a lot of followers, which is why there is not a lot of trash talk right now. That or the people that are following understand there are going to be losing days and big winning days as well. just have to keep thinking long term and ride out the rough patches.

This is a test season and im projecting my final season profit to about 500 units. Just keep following and it will pay off. If you don't feel comfortable following, no one is forcing you to. If you are not sure, then try and follow with a small unit size and see how it works out for you.

--jmd

PS. Ill be posting the 1st set of game(s) tomorrow at about 2:00pm ET.

[pagodo]

[...] That or the people that are following understand there are going to be losing days and big winning days as well. Just have to keep thinking long term and ride out the rough patches.

Best of luck, JMD. Really looking forward to seeing you make some cash by the end of the year.

"Beware the might of the labby."

[J.M. Disciple]

Here are the current Lines (Favorites)
L3: 3.58 / 3.58 / 3.58
L4: 5.50 / 5.50 / 5.50 / 5.50 / 5.50
L6&7: 2.5 / 2.5
L8: 22.33 / 22.33 /22.33 / 22.33 /22.33 / 22.33 / 22.33

Overall record: 28-27
Profit: -$84.74 or -17u
$$$ in play: $199.55 or 39.91 units

Pending:
L8: 2:20pm ET; (SF/CUB, G1) [$55.83 - $44.86] odds -125, NO


DOGS:
Labby Lines
D2: 3.33 / 3.33 / 3.33

Record: 6-2
Profit: +$28.70 or +5.74u
$$ in play: $9.99 or 2.00u

Pending:
D2: 2:20 pm et; SF/CUB [$6.99 - $6.66] odds -105, YES

[J.M. Disciple]

I'm trying to find a long term stat of how often a baseball game actually scores 1st inning. This would help a ton with knowing how often dogs actually win. It seems like it is hitting 50% which means even flat betting +odds with dogs would show a profit.

If someone could help me find all the YES/NO statistics for MLB it would be much appreciated or link me to a site where i can manually count all the dogs / favorites.... Odds need to be shown on 1st inning stats.

THanks --jmd

[J.M. Disciple]

Here are the current Lines (Favorites)
L3: 3.58 / 3.58 / 3.58
L4: 5.50 / 5.50 / 5.50 / 5.50 / 5.50
L6&7: 2.5 / 2.5
L8: 26.52 /26.52 /26.52 /26.52 /26.52 /26.52 /26.52 /26.52 /

Overall record: 28-28
Profit: -$140.57 or -28u
$$$ in play: $255.38 or 51.08u

L8: 2:20pm ET; (SF/CUB, G1) [$55.83 - $44.86] odds -125, NO…….lose

Pending: 7:00pm ET games
L4: mil/nyy [$13.20 - $11] odds -120 YES
L4: Pit/Tor [$13.20 - $11] odds -120 NO
L8: NYM/DET [$63.65 -$53.04] odds -120 NO
L8: STL/BAL [$68.95 -$53.04] odds -130 NO
L8: BOS/Phi [$87.52 - $53.04] odds -165 NO
L8: Cin/TAM [$84.86 -$53.04] odds -160 NO

*Hard to keep your head positive when favorites keep losing!
Lets pray for a sweep, We would clear L8 and be up a lot if we do!

I have 4 games on L8 cause there are 8 #s on the line, so 2 #s for each game. Same with L4. This way we clear he lines as soon as possible.

Best of Luck to everyone. Ill post the dogs in just a minute.

[J.M. Disciple]

DOGS:
Labby Lines
D2: $2.5 / $2.5 / 2.5 / 2.5
D1: 2.5 / 2.5 / 2.5 / 2.5
D3: 2.5 / 2.5 / 2.5 /2.5


Record: 7-2
Profit: +35.36 or +7.07u
$$ in play: 3 new lines ($30 or 6 units)

D2: 2:20 pm et; SF/CUB [$6.99 - $6.66] odds -105, YES…..Win

Pending: 7:00pm ET games
D1: MIL /nyy [$5.50 - $5] odds -110 NO
D1: PIT/TOR [$5.50 -$5] odds -110 YES
D2: NYM/DET [$5.50 -$5] odds -110 YES
D2: STL/BAL [$5 -$5 ] odds +100 Yes
D3: BOS/phi [$5 -$6.75] odds +135 YES
D3: Cin/TAM [$5 - $6.50] odds +130 YES


If your following both (dogs / fav) I am hoping all the dogs lose!

[EasyHustlin]

Jmd, the stats you're looking for can be found on sportsdatabase.com. The query language is real easy to learn if you aren't already familiar. Example - "season=2011 and team=Rangers and H and ((R1>0) or (o:R1>0))"

This query will return all ranger home games where there was a run scored in the first.

What you'll find is that, perhaps counter intuitively, a score in the 1st inning is basically a 50/50 prop. For some teams it's evens little greater than 50. Which is why for the life of me I can't understand why people lay chalk up to -170 on these plays.

[EasyHustlin]

Actually, there are no lines included on that site for this prop. I think you'd be hard pressed to find that kind of info anywhere, except Daba's spreadsheet.

Edit- the database does include the o/u total for the game. If you could correlate the total with the 1st inning line, you would have a good approximation of fav/dog. Sounds like a lot of work though.

[BettingBogie]

Got back 6 of your L8 items! Great job!

[J.M. Disciple]

Here are the current Lines (Favorites)
L3: 3.58 / 3.58 / 3.58
L4: 5.50 /
L6&7: 2.5 / 2.5
L8: 38.90 / 38.90 /38.90

Overall record: 33-29
Profit: -$23.1 or -4.62u

L8: 2:20pm ET; (SF/CUB, G1) [$55.83 - $44.86] odds -125, NO…….lose
L4: mil/nyy [$13.20 - $11] odds -120 YES………… Win
L4: Pit/Tor [$13.20 - $11] odds -120 NO…….…….WIn
L8: NYM/DET [$63.65 -$53.04] odds -120 NO…..Lose
L8: STL/BAL [$68.95 -$53.04] odds -130 NO………Win
L8: BOS/Phi [$87.52 - $53.04] odds -165 NO……….WIn
L8: Cin/TAM [$84.86 -$53.04] odds -160 NO……….Win


Pending:
L8: LOS/min [$108.92 - $77.80] odds -140 NO
L3: Tex / hou [$9.67 - $7.16] Odds -135 NO
L4: SF/Cub G2 [$6.60 - $5.50] odds -120 NO

Dogs coming in 60sec

[J.M. Disciple]

DOGS:
Labby Lines
D2: $3.33 / 3.33 / 3.33
D1: 3.5 / 3.5 / 3.5 /3.5 / 3.5 /3.5
D3: 3.33 / 3.33 / 3.33/3.33 / 3.33 / 3.33

Record Dogs: 8-7
Profit: +14.36 or +2.87u

D2: 2:20 pm et; SF/CUB [$6.99 - $6.66] odds -105, YES…..Win
D1: MIL /nyy [$5.50 - $5] odds -110 NO ………….Lose
D1: PIT/TOR [$5.50 -$5] odds -110 YES………….lose
D2: NYM/DET [$5.50 -$5] odds -110 YES…….Win
D2: STL/BAL [$5 -$5 ] odds +100 Yes…………..lose
D3: BOS/phi [$5 -$6.75] odds +135 YES……….lose
D3: Cin/TAM [$5 - $6.50] odds +130 YES……..lose


Pending:
D1:SF G2 [$7.70 - $7] odds -110 Yes
D1: Tex / hou [$7 - $7.35] odds +105 YES
D1: Los/min [$7 - $7.70] odds +110 YES

[J.M. Disciple]

wow i think there is a glitch in my forum.... I seen my post a second ago, but now i dont see dogs / fav posted... Maybe it will be a double post later.

[J.M. Disciple]

Ok can someone confirm my records? I am not sure if they are exactly right. Im pretty sure my lines and profit are correct, but my Win / LOss records im not sure. Feel free to double check any of my stats i posted.

@ Easy Hustlin thank you for the link. I was wondering this myself and considered switching from Dogs / Favorites to strictly yes / no or just Yes since it has the best odds in general.

You are saying despite the odds yes hits about 50% of the time and no hits about 50% of the time? My labby lines could be controled a lot easier if i were just betting on yes.

Once I get some more stats i may just start a new thread and explain the 2 strike labby more indepth. This thread is slightly a mess because i was in testing phase and it became slightly unorganized as i did more research and added more things.

I will continue i think until both systems Dogs / Favorites are in the positive then possibly make a new thread.

I could just switch my strategy on here to all the yes / no games if you all want.

For everyone who is following please let me know how you want me to run this thread in the future.

1) continue as is betting dogs / favorites
2) switch to yes / no method


Thanks
JMD

[J.M. Disciple]

Lad / Min half way there... if that bet wins then both systems will be up.

I think What i might do if that happens is to keep the same lines i have now and just finish clearing them just betting all the "yes score 1st inning." I would like to get some more responses on this.

[J.M. Disciple]

Here are the current Lines (Favorites)
L3: 3.58 / 3.58 / 3.58
L4: 5.50 /
L6&7: 2.5 / 2.5
L8: 38.90 / 38.90 /38.90

Overall record: 28-28
Profit: -$23.1 or -4.62u


Pending:
L8: LOS/min [$108.92 - $77.80] odds -140 NO
L3: Tex / hou [$9.67 - $7.16] Odds -135 NO
L4: SF/Cub G2 [$6.60 - $5.50] odds -120 NO
L6/7: cws/col [$6 - $5] odds -120 YES

DOGS:
Labby Lines
D2: $3.33 / 3.33 / 3.33
D1: 3.5 / 3.5 / 3.5 /3.5 / 3.5 /3.5
D3: 3.33 / 3.33 / 3.33/3.33 / 3.33 / 3.33


Record:8-7
Profit: +14.36 or +2.87u

Pending:
D1:SF G2 [$7.70 - $7] odds -110 Yes
D1: Tex / hou [$7 - $7.35] odds +105 YES
D1: Los/min [$7 - $7.70] odds +110 YES
D3: Cws / Col [$7.33 - $6.66] odds -110 NO

[J.M. Disciple]

Here are the current Lines (Favorites)
L3: 3.58 / 3.58 / 3.58
L4: 5.50 /
L6&7: 2.5 / 2.5
L8: 56.41 / 56.41 / 56.41 / 56.41

Overall record: 29-30
Profit: -$136.19 or -27.24u

Pending:
L6/7: cws/col [$6 - $5] odds -120 YES


DOGS:
Labby Lines
D2: $3.33 / 3.33 / 3.33
D1: 4.9 / 4.9 / 4.9
D3: 3.33 / 3.33 / 3.33/3.33 / 3.33 / 3.33


Record:10-8
Profit: +21.71 or 4.34u

Pending:
D3: Cws / Col [$7.33 - $6.66] odds -110 NO……

[TEXAS MICKEY]

JMD,

I was tailing you when you started last Thursday first couple days were great, but now I am totally fukking lost. IMO, you need to get on one or the other and play it out til season end. I know, this may sound a bit harsh, but I am lost, and by your last post the winnings and units are down too. You were actually doing good until you started adding all this other shit. Your initial offering was you were going to play every game every day. And that's why it intrigued me.

Good Luck, Wish You the Best.

TM

[BetaB]

JMD,

I was tailing you when you started last Thursday first couple days were great, but now I am totally fukking lost. IMO, you need to get on one or the other and play it out til season end. I know, this may sound a bit harsh, but I am lost, and by your last post the winnings and units are down too. You were actually doing good until you started adding all this other shit. Your initial offering was you were going to play every game every day. And that's why it intrigued me.

Good Luck, Wish You the Best.

TM

i don't see how he change. He merely add dog plays. Besides, JMD do not cap game he simply play on highest favorite
.

[TEXAS MICKEY]

i don't see how he change. He merely add dog plays. Besides, JMD do not cap game he simply play on highest favorite
.

Go read POST # 122...................

[J.M. Disciple]

Here are the current Lines (Favorites)
L3: 3.58 / 3.58 / 3.58
L4: 5.50 /
L6&7: 2.5 / 2.5 / 6
L8: 56.41 / 56.41 / 56.41 / 56.41

Overall record: 29-31
Profit: -$142.19 or -28.4u


DOGS:
Labby Lines
D2: $3.33 / 3.33 / 3.33
D1: 4.9 / 4.9 / 4.9
D3: 3.33 / 3.33 / 3.33/3.33


Record:11-8
Profit: +$28.37 or 5.67u


These are the final #s. I'm going to advocate something called global averaging until i finish clearing all the lines. L8 has gotten way too big for my bankroll so im going to spread the #s out over all the favorites. I just want to focus on clearing the favorites then i will reevaluate my system and try to come up with the most apropriate method for this system. This is clearly turning into a mess. The Dogs are already up money, so im going to leave that as it is and just focus on clearing the favorites for now. Ill post the favorite labby lines soon for the remaining games of the day and with some extreme luck we may be able to bring this system into the positive.

[J.M. Disciple]

ok here are my lines for the favorites. I feel like i dont have an adequate bankroll for this system already and it hasn't even been a week. I took my previous lines for the favorites and totaled them up in a sum then divided by how many #s there were. This is what is known as global averaging. This method only works if you do not plan to add any more units to the cleared lines. Which is what i plan to do. Im going to finish clearing these lines and bring the favorites to a positive out come then im going to reevaluate this thread.

I am sorry if you are down money at this point, but we will make it back. If you need any help with your labby lines let me know and ill give any information that i can. My problem is not that the system doesn't work, its just that I need a bigger bankroll then what i thought i needed. Im beginning to think you may need a 200-300 unit bankroll for this system instead of just a 100 units.

With that said. Our next bet on clearing these lines is going to be:
Here are the current Lines (Favorites)
L3: 23 / 23 /
L4: 23 / 23
L6&7: 23 / 23 / 23
L8: 23 / 23 / 23 / 23

Overall record: 29-31
Profit: -$142.19 or -28.4u

L3: CLE / ARI [$64.40 - $46] odds -140 NO
L4: Kan/sdg [$78.20 - $46] odds -170 NO
L6/7: Was/Laa [$69 - $46] odds -150 NO
L8: FLA/Oak [$71.30 -$46] odds -155 NO
L8: ATL/Sea [$87.40 - $46] odds -190 NO

*if we win the remaining of today games we will clear almost our lines. We need to go 5-0 though.


Sorry for the inconvenience of this thread. At least i hope i taught everyone who was following how to better follow the labby and understand the importance of bankroll management. I for one know i learned a small lesson already. YOU CAN NEVER HAVE A BIG ENOUGH BANKROLL!

--JMD

[J.M. Disciple]

JMD,

I was tailing you when you started last Thursday first couple days were great, but now I am totally fukking lost. IMO, you need to get on one or the other and play it out til season end. I know, this may sound a bit harsh, but I am lost, and by your last post the winnings and units are down too. You were actually doing good until you started adding all this other shit. Your initial offering was you were going to play every game every day. And that's why it intrigued me.

Good Luck, Wish You the Best.

TM

If you post your labby lines on here that you currently have ill show you how to work them out. I am changing my method right now cause i just want to finish clearing the lines with a little variance as possible. This will of course cut down on my profits though. If you think you have a big enough bankroll ill work out all the plays for you and let you know what you have to do. It is not that this method does not work, its just that i need a bigger bankroll.

I guess i got kinda scared of losing the small bankroll i have now and went to an emergency back up plan. If someone wants to continue to post the plays with my last labby lines i posted you are more then welcome to. I give who ever wants to take over this thread permission. I just cant handle the variance right now.

Wish everyone luck on the last set of games for today.

[J.M. Disciple]

L3: CLE / ARI [$64.40 - $46] odds -140 NO

WIN

[J.M. Disciple]

L3: CLE / ARI [$64.40 - $46] odds -140 NO…….WIN
L4: Kan/sdg [$78.20 - $46] odds -170 NO>>>>>Lose
L6/7: Was/Laa [$69 - $46] odds -150 NO>>>>>Lose
L8: FLA/Oak [$71.30 -$46] odds -155 NO>>>>>>>>>>>>Delay
L8: ATL/Sea [$87.40 - $46] odds -190 NO>>>>>Lose

Exact opposit of what i wanted to happen. Everyone in their granny seems to know how to swing the bat today. This is some complete Bull $hit!!

[J.M. Disciple]

Here are the current Lines (Favorites)
L4: 23 / 23 / 78.20
L6&7: 23 / 23 / 23 / 69
L8: / 23 / 23 / 87.40

Overall record: 30-31
Profit: -$284.79 or -56.95 units
________________________________________ ____

[J.M. Disciple]

Once again I apologize for those who were following. No body intends to try and make people lose money. As of now im basically done unless someone wants me to continue to post plays. I am not calling this system failed because its some what of an anomolie that the favorites go like 4-16 or whatever it is last 2 days.

[BetaB]

This is what i warned people earlier about chasing, labby or not will only show profit with good pick. You simply can not profit from -ev pick(in a long run) with any money management. At this point i would suggest a stop point as risked more than 20s( could easily be 30 with juice) time what you started with is rather crazy. Of course, i looked at Daba thread and also talked to icebet, i'm glad they are doing fine but personally, still not believe that you can just turn any 50% pick to gold by labbying. I mean, if you just want to achieved a 50% win then shouldn't you be betting on random soccer matches as they are less juicy and being played almost every hour not to mention betting variation such as corner count, first 15 mins winner etc.

Personally, i believe that when people look at system record they should just see if those play will show profit flat betting (+EV) and not A-B-C record like when some one found that JM NBA a bet is -EV.

[J.M. Disciple]

I agree flat betting JM picks is -EV, but a chase is profitable and labbying should be even more profitable. I wanted to build my bankroll back up again after my loss so i went and played baccarat using the labby. I was using $1 unit size as my starting line and using 2 strike labby. I didn't average out the line or anything. Just did traditional labby method and ended up making $202 or 202 units in a pretty short amount of time.

I really wanted to keep going because it seemed so easy, but it has failed me many times in the past, so i just called it quits since I reached my goal.

Baccarat has the best odds out of any casino game. min bet is $1 and max bet is $100. My biggest bet was $29 followed by a couple $20 bets before i cleared my line. Once that line was clear my next biggest line was $19 big bet. I probably played about 2hrs total and made $202 not too shabby. If it were this easy all the time though people would be millionairs, so ill just quit while im ahead for now.

Idk how well my advice will be taken, but if you want to gamble and try and build up a $100 bankroll or whatever and dont care about losing the $100. I would do what i did and use a $1 labby line starting out using 2 strike labby method and try and build it up to 300-400 so you can have a decent bankroll for a $5 unit size.

I think once you have to make over a $25 bet or a 25 unit bet i would just accept the loss and start back over with $1 line agian. your total line maybe like $50 or something at that point, but it shouldn't take too long to make back. If anyone has a better method then this i would be more then happy to talk about it.

I have to learn the labby with "over flow" method. I think this method would work great with baccarat.

I do not think i will be posting plays here tomorrow, but im pretty sure everyone understands the system if they want to continue with it.

Long run statistics 50% yes and 50% NO, so you might as well best Yes on every game if you want to continue with this system since it has the best odds.

Once again i apologize for those who were placing bets on these games because of me.

--JMD

[BetaB]

The worst part of labby is that on losing streaks you are being penalized much more than a winning one, thus betting favorite in theory would not be as good as betting on dog. E.g. 10 win streak = 20 number crosses(traditional labby) where as 6 loses will burn 2+3+4+5+6+7 27 units. So, what would you do if you start of with 42-18 for you first 60 bets and you know that eventually w/l ration will end up round 50:50 keep on labbying?

[jolmscheid]

I agree flat betting JM picks is -EV, but a chase is profitable and labbying should be even more profitable. I wanted to build my bankroll back up again after my loss so i went and played baccarat using the labby. I was using $1 unit size as my starting line and using 2 strike labby. I didn't average out the line or anything. Just did traditional labby method and ended up making $202 or 202 units in a pretty short amount of time.

I really wanted to keep going because it seemed so easy, but it has failed me many times in the past, so i just called it quits since I reached my goal.

Baccarat has the best odds out of any casino game. min bet is $1 and max bet is $100. My biggest bet was $29 followed by a couple $20 bets before i cleared my line. Once that line was clear my next biggest line was $19 big bet. I probably played about 2hrs total and made $202 not too shabby. If it were this easy all the time though people would be millionairs, so ill just quit while im ahead for now.

Idk how well my advice will be taken, but if you want to gamble and try and build up a $100 bankroll or whatever and dont care about losing the $100. I would do what i did and use a $1 labby line starting out using 2 strike labby method and try and build it up to 300-400 so you can have a decent bankroll for a $5 unit size.

I think once you have to make over a $25 bet or a 25 unit bet i would just accept the loss and start back over with $1 line agian. your total line maybe like $50 or something at that point, but it shouldn't take too long to make back. If anyone has a better method then this i would be more then happy to talk about it.

I have to learn the labby with "over flow" method. I think this method would work great with baccarat.

I do not think i will be posting plays here tomorrow, but im pretty sure everyone understands the system if they want to continue with it.

Long run statistics 50% yes and 50% NO, so you might as well best Yes on every game if you want to continue with this system since it has the best odds.

Once again i apologize for those who were placing bets on these games because of me.

--JMD

JMD...I really like your thought process here...I think by playing ONLY on YES for now, you will get better odds...once your roll increases, then maybe you can get into playing both YES and NO.....I think you know what you are doing with the 2-strike labby, and I too think it can work, but the starting lines need to be very small as we all know that there will be cold streaks....but I do think you have something here ....I look forward to continue to follow you!

Also, can you expand a little on how you do this in baccarat? And I assume you are not doing this online as online casinos are rigged!

[J.M. Disciple]

JMD...I really like your thought process here...I think by playing ONLY on YES for now, you will get better odds...once your roll increases, then maybe you can get into playing both YES and NO.....I think you know what you are doing with the 2-strike labby, and I too think it can work, but the starting lines need to be very small as we all know that there will be cold streaks....but I do think you have something here ....I look forward to continue to follow you!

Also, can you expand a little on how you do this in baccarat? And I assume you are not doing this online as online casinos are rigged!

I also did do it at an online sports book (betus.com). I know it has failed me many times, but i really needed to win a couple hundred to make sure i could keep sports betting. I really needed that extra cushion.

Baccarat all though its kinda confusing to determine how to deal it yourself, it becomes really easy online because the dealer takes care of everything for you. I just turn Fast play on and each hand literally takes less then 5 seconds. Those 5 seconds are just managing the labby and figuring out your bet amount.

I start with standard 2 strike labby.

$1 lose
$1 / $1 Lose
$1 / $1 / $2 Lose
$1 / $1 / $2 / $3 Lose
$1 / $1 / $2 / $3 / $4 Win
$1 / $2 / $3 Win
$2 (if i got here I would split into 2 #s. to reduce future variance).

Rather then going
2 Lose
2 2 lose
2 2 4 lose
2 2 4 6 lose

I would be back to
1 1
1 1 2
1 1 2 3 etc...

I know this strategy eventually fails. The only way to beat this game is to figure out how often you are going to make 50 units compared to how often a 50 unit loss happens, so that when you lose and create a stop loss at max bet $25 or max # of units on a line 50. Then just start back over with a new line if you reach that point.

It really doesn't take too long to make back that 25-50 units. That is just my opinon on it. The min bet is $1 and max bet is $100 on it. Some people may feel comfortable labbying until they reach the $100 max bet.

Tip: bet on banker when you play. I seen a stat some where in the past where player wins like 49.5% or something and banker is at like 50.5%. Bacause the game is basically 50/50 they do take a small rake. I actually wasn't paying too much attention to it, but i think its 5cents or something.

Dont get carried away with trying to clear your labby line if it gets too big, just start back over.

Also try and research Labby over flow method. I think i know how it works, but i do not want to explain it wrong. I gotta talk to icebet some more about it once agian.

--jmd