Value Play Marlins/Nationals 4/07/11

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  • BeatingBaseball
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 06-30-09
    • 904

    #1
    Value Play Marlins/Nationals 4/07/11
    According to commonly held beliefs on these threads - big name favs are the square side of a matchup. Well - they may often be the public side – but they are not always the wrong side. When the price is right I’ll take the Four Seasons over Motel 6 any time. We did so last night with Verlander over Bergesen and I’m going that way again in a very similar pitching matchup with Josh Johnson at home -178 ML and +125 RL vs John Lannan and the Nats.

    There’s a lot of talk about the Phillies rotation – and justifiably so. But Josh Johnson may actually be the best starter in the NL. With his simple, straightforward and explosive FB and plus-SL approach - he led the league in ERA last year (2.30). The guy Ks 25% of the batters he faces. Major league lineups hit .224 against him last year and he went an average of 27 innings between long balls. There may be some physical concerns long term (back, elbow) - but he’s healthy right now. He took a no hitter to the 7th in his opening win over the Mets. And the Nats have never hung a personal Loss on him in his 13 career starts against them. The Marlins club is 10-3 (.769) overall in those starts and this one is at home.

    On the other side - John Lannan is a very hittable, middle of the rotation LHer. Much like the RHer Bergesen last night vs Detrioit - he’s primarily a sinker (88mph)/SL guy who pitches to contact and lives by the ground ball. When his sinker flattens out - he’s in big trouble. For a while last year it did and he was sent down to AAA before returning to finish 8-8. He also mixes in a curve and change that he also must keep down and off the plate to survive.

    Line-up wise - the Marlins will probably be without Stanton tonight but table setter Coghlan is getting on, Buck is seeing it and hitting it and Hanley Ramirez, though off to a slow start, is 7 for 15 lifetime vs Lannan.

    I’m playing this one to win 2 Units in much the same way we did last night w/ Verlander. I have 1.58 Units ML and .89 Units RL. That’s an effective -1 Run at -123.5. We get a push on the money overall if Marlins win by 1 and pick up 2 Units if they cover the RL. It puts only 2.47 Units at risk. The break even percentage on the overall play is 55.26%.

    Good Luck to all.
  • xelance
    SBR MVP
    • 11-25-10
    • 1750

    #2
    thanks BB
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    • GarbageMan
      SBR Sharp
      • 11-28-10
      • 484

      #3
      Great write up BB, am tailing for units suggested. Cheers mate
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      • playr101
        SBR MVP
        • 01-16-10
        • 2029

        #4
        like it

        -playr101
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        • Mikail
          SBR Posting Legend
          • 07-19-09
          • 21689

          #5
          I'm on the ML for a unit. Nice write up.
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          • blackeyeshamus
            SBR Hall of Famer
            • 02-19-11
            • 6632

            #6
            well written. thinking marlins.
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            • sheffield77
              SBR Sharp
              • 04-23-10
              • 336

              #7
              thakns for the writeup go marlinsssss
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              • HoulihansTX
                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                • 02-12-09
                • 30566

                #8
                What about both teams bullpens?

                More importantly what about, Marlins closer, Nunez?

                Work backwards when handicapping. Everyone knows JJ is a man amongst boys... Nunez is the biggest piece of shit closer around, and has cost me plenty of times when I have backed JJ for a full game.

                When JJ is pitching I go FF or nothing, b/c Nunez will put his mark on the game.


                BOL
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                • Milanboy
                  SBR High Roller
                  • 11-09-10
                  • 214

                  #9
                  I like the marlins here too. I don't see them losing if Johnson pitches anything like his first game.
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                  • Jack Rebney
                    SBR MVP
                    • 04-23-09
                    • 1140

                    #10
                    Originally posted by HoulihansTX
                    What about both teams bullpens?

                    More importantly what about, Marlins closer, Nunez?

                    Work backwards when handicapping. Everyone knows JJ is a man amongst boys... Nunez is the biggest piece of shit closer around, and has cost me plenty of times when I have backed JJ for a full game.

                    When JJ is pitching I go FF or nothing, b/c Nunez will put his mark on the game.


                    BOL
                    agreed...no matter who the starter is...he's not going to be superman every time either
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                    • blackeyeshamus
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 02-19-11
                      • 6632

                      #11
                      all right.
                      deal me in!

                      marlins @ -180
                      marlins -1.5 @ +115


                      better part of three bones hanging out there...
                      c'mon, marlins! good luck, y'all.
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                      • nickos86
                        SBR Sharp
                        • 03-08-11
                        • 400

                        #12
                        Why not just put 2.47u on FLA -1 @ -123...
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                        • Iced
                          SBR MVP
                          • 01-04-11
                          • 1614

                          #13
                          Originally posted by nickos86
                          Why not just put 2.47u on FLA -1 @ -123...
                          Because you get a better price making your own -1 RL by betting on the ML and -1.5 RL than betting on the -1 RL price that the book offers.
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                          • rafa martin
                            SBR Sharp
                            • 12-15-10
                            • 256

                            #14
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                            • Dabeergod
                              SBR Hall of Famer
                              • 04-30-10
                              • 5503

                              #15
                              good luck pal
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                              • No coincidences
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 01-18-10
                                • 76300

                                #16
                                Marlins are playing like they're trying to lose.

                                Their bullpen is horrific.
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                                • ebbearsfb1
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 12-07-08
                                  • 18815

                                  #17
                                  typical bear stuff, bet the nats they blow a 4-0 lead, bet the marlins they look they never hit before
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                                  • BeatingBaseball
                                    SBR Wise Guy
                                    • 06-30-09
                                    • 904

                                    #18
                                    Ugly game. Lose it 5-3 in 11 on a 2-run jack by LaRoche.

                                    Got off early vs Lannan with 2 in the first - but couldn't come up with the kill shot despite 9 base runners first five.

                                    JJ wasn't perfect but out pitched Lannan - would have been good enough with a little help on defense (read ss Ramirez) and with the bats.

                                    -2.47 Units
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                                    • figue
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 07-23-10
                                      • 2524

                                      #19
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                                      • xelance
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 11-25-10
                                        • 1750

                                        #20
                                        oh well We will get em next time.
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                                        • BeatingBaseball
                                          SBR Wise Guy
                                          • 06-30-09
                                          • 904

                                          #21
                                          You must have had the other side, fig. If so - congrats.
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                                          • Love The Action
                                            SBR Posting Legend
                                            • 11-08-10
                                            • 10952

                                            #22
                                            No worries...onto the next one.

                                            What's your early leans for tomorrow BB? I just looked at the card and the Cubs and Cards ML stood out initially.
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                                            • figue
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 07-23-10
                                              • 2524

                                              #23
                                              i was on nats ,but i had not see your thread ,if i do i ll be with you.
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                                              • BeatingBaseball
                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                • 06-30-09
                                                • 904

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by figue
                                                i was on nats ,but i had not see your thread ,if i do i ll be with you.
                                                Glad you missed my play on this one, fig. Wish I missed it myself.

                                                And Rose' - thanks for the points - sorry it didn't hit.
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                                                • HoulihansTX
                                                  BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                                  • 02-12-09
                                                  • 30566

                                                  #25
                                                  I love JJ. He is the ******* man, and will be the best in the biz someday.

                                                  He is a younger version of Doc Halladay. Just as Doc had to deal with shitty teammates in Toronto so does JJ.

                                                  JJ problem is that he challenges hitters way to much. He doesnt throw balls, only strikes. He is all power, w/o the finesse that would extend his career. His power game is beyond elite though, and once he finds better teammates he will finally get his due.
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                                                  • Pauulzcappin
                                                    SBR Posting Legend
                                                    • 04-23-10
                                                    • 20295

                                                    #26
                                                    He's welcome to come to the Bronx
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                                                    • QuikNZ
                                                      SBR Rookie
                                                      • 04-03-11
                                                      • 49

                                                      #27
                                                      I had a busy day today so missed it too BB, but would have tailed you. Good luck for the next one.
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