Is he a good bet in his next home appearance? certainly you would need more than just this information before you would put money on something, but given this, would you be likely to take this guy vs an average team?
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wins mean nothing to me
that era is scray
unless he has a badass offenseComment -
wang is good dude
but not in webbs league
for the 100the time
everyone agreesComment -
No I'd look to bet against him if the price was right.Comment -
I don't even think it's close between Webb and Wang. I think Webb is one of three best pitchers in baseball. Wang is not even in top 10.Comment -
Wang at the Stadium, with the 10" infield and watered down infield is a lot different than Wang on the road.Comment -
If this is a Colorado pitcher I would take him. 6 runs is a shutout in that stadium.Comment -
Not enough information in itself to bet for or against anyone IMO. That ERA is high, obviously he's getting some great run support. Couple of small thoughts on this though - sometimes ERA can be misleading, especially with a record like that. Not just talking what park you pitch in although that's also a factor in ERA if you're in a hitters park versus a pitching park, but sometimes if you're being staked to a big lead that can lead to a higher ERA. For instance 8-0 game you are probably going to go get hitters more than if you're in a 1-1 game. You're told to make them earn everything, no walks, probably not going to paint corners as much as if the game's tight and a long ball will hurt you. I know it sounds petty but you do pitch differently depending on what the sorboard says, pitching with big leads can increase your ERA. Also just my opinion but things like this (run support) seem to run from season to season. Some pitchers can get great run support all season long or vice versa, they pitch fantastic but on the days you are on the mound your teammates never get you any runs. I know some will argue that it's random and no rhyme or reason to it but it seems to happen in bunches.Comment -
oh wang got a lot of wins, so what
so his offense is great and he throws low pitch counts
nobody is afraid of him, we was awesome in the playoffs tooComment -
exactly my point
the pitcher doesnt control wins
he controls era to a major extent, whip almost completely, and ks
just about any pitcher who throws 35 starts can win 15+ with nyy
unit had a 5 era and 17 wins with ny
do you understand thatComment -
exactly my pointComment -
Wins mean nothing, ERA means almost nothing.Comment -
wang is completely hittable, his baa is 265.
pretty much league average
the only thing about him is his run support
well, i wonder how cain would do with arod, jeter, matsui, cano, posadaComment -
There might be another mitigating circumstance with his ERA. Say he has 5 low scoring games and one game where he got bombed. Say he had 5 games with 35 IP and 15 runs allowed. Then say he had one game of 1/3 inning pitched and 8 runs allowed.
His first 5 games weren't too bad. But his ERA is terrible because of the one batting practice game.Comment -
If Webb pitched for the Yankees, he would approach 25 wins and win the Cy Young every year. I say 25 because Wang was able to win 19 the last two years, so Webb winning 20 would be selling him short! Webb has maybe three non-quality starts every year, and all his QSs would be Wins with the Yanks.Comment -
yep
name me one major leaguer who is scared to face wang or who says wang is unhittable
they say it about webb
peavy
beckett
halladay
harden when healthy
but not wangComment -
If you put Wang and Webb on the open market there's no doubt who would command the most money. Not even close really.Comment -
I'd still include Santana on that list ryan. He has always been a relatively slow starter, but unhittable later on.Comment -
wang commands more money than peavy? or johan? or cc?
i dont see how wang is better than lackey. he is not better than halladay. he is not better than chris young i think
though wang is obviously an awesome playoff pitcherComment -
yes i cant believe i forgot johan, the best there is, or at least top3
my badComment -
i think its a tossComment -
Although I agree that Lackey is underrated, I do think I would go with Wang there.Comment -
Well, he is right in regards to the stat. Going back to the original point of this thread, a pitcher that is 6-1 with an ERA over five is probably leaving tons of runners on base, and all those baserunners will come back to bite him eventually.Comment -
wang aint shitComment
