Pens that blow leads today

[WestsidePete]

damn the stupid f*cking mets and that crap eye chart named
schoeneweis...why is this loser still in the majors?? Had a 5 ERA last year... pitching in the 7th with a lead??....randolph...you are STUPID..no wonder they blew the division last year...

[buztah]

I've always maintained that the most horrific bad beats are in bases. Bull Pens that perform poorly are true heartbreakers, if you are on the wrong side.

[mofome]

damn the stupid f*cking mets and that crap eye chart named
schoeneweis...why is this loser still in the majors?? Had a 5 ERA last year... pitching in the 7th with a lead??....randolph...you are STUPID..no wonder they blew the division last year...

having him in the game is inexcusable, but it seem delgado is the true retard.

[WestsidePete]

phillies pen sucks too..with terd gordon...

[remmy358]

damn the stupid f*cking mets and that crap eye chart named
schoeneweis...why is this loser still in the majors?? Had a 5 ERA last year... pitching in the 7th with a lead??....randolph...you are STUPID..no wonder they blew the division last year...

did you see what happened? it wasn't shoeneweis's fault...

it was delgado's, he threw a double play ball into chutley's back

[WestsidePete]

honestly...he's a midddle relief guy..not someone to hold a lead vs a hitting team like the phillies...

[remmy358]

having him in the game is inexcusable, but it seem delgado is the true retard.

disagree. scho is a great matchup vs. howard and got the done, not his fault his fielder's messed up

[WestsidePete]

did you see what happened? it wasn't shoeneweis's fault...

it was delgado's, he threw a double play ball into chutley's back

yea but he gave up the other runners to get on base....

[remmy358]

3-2 phillies...watching the game live...

phillies will not lose this game.

[remmy358]

yea but he gave up the other runners to get on base....

should a pitcher be punished for that? it's ok to let runners on base if you get the job done, and schoenweis did what he had to do, his fielders let him down.

[remmy358]

should a pitcher be punished for that? it's ok to let runners on base if you get the job done, and schoenweis did what he had to do, his fielders let him down.

blame reyes for not getting delgado a good target
and blame delgado for making a bad throw

[WestsidePete]

disagree. scho is a great matchup vs. howard and got the done, not his fault his fielder's messed up

for one batter...i agree...but gave up 2 hits and hit a guy before howard...

[remmy358]

for one batter...i agree...but gave up 2 hits and hit a guy before howard...

it doesn't mater!!!!!!!

letting guys on is OK if you get them out....

you can't get mad at a guy for doing his job...

how often does mo rivera let a few guys on?

bottom line is that if fielding can't do its job you won't be a good pitcher...

[WestsidePete]

You're right...not his fault...but a bad fielding play wouldn't have mattered if the bases weren't loaded...

[buztah]

You're right...not his fault...but a bad fielding play wouldn't have mattered if the bases weren't loaded...

exactly!

[WestsidePete]

the guy pitched in 70 games last year...the mets were on the losing side 47 times....only on the winning side 23 out of 70 games he appeared...and today he's pitching in the 7th with a lead and is allowed to let more than one man get on base??

[remmy358]

You're right...not his fault...but a bad fielding play wouldn't have mattered if the bases weren't loaded...

for the 20th time. a pitcher should be penalized for letter unearned runs in. when unearned runs are let in, it's not his fault. you can sit there and vent on scottie all you want, but it's unjustified.

[remmy358]

the guy pitched in 70 games last year...the mets were on the losing side 47 times....only on the winning side 23 out of 70 games he appeared...and today he's pitching in the 7th with a lead and is allowed to let more than one man get on base??

he did his job, delgado did not

[buztah]

the guy pitched in 70 games last year...the mets were on the losing side 47 times....only on the winning side 23 out of 70 games he appeared...and today he's pitching in the 7th with a lead and is allowed to let more than one man get on base??

It comes down to piss poor management in the end, pete. I can't tell you the number of times my wife has asked me to calm down when I've been screaming at the tele at some manager for going to the pen to bring in a "reliever" when the starter was doing just fine. i could see the loss coming and could do nothing about it. It's damn frustrating! How many times does a starter have a shut out going through 7 only to be pulled in the 8th for some mororn to blow a 5 point lead. happens all too often. And what do the managers say in the postgame? "It's just one game. We will re-group!" Well PHUCK YOU, managers and your lackadaisical and indifferent attitudes!

[WestsidePete]

yes...poor management....venting more on the manager really...anyways the pen blew it even more so now it's a total down fall here...

[regularguy]

Coaches and managers have a bad habit of coaching with their "philosophies" and their "game plans," instead of with their eyeballs.

Happens all the time in basketball ... the coach pulls out the guy with the hot hand, because ... well ... that was the plan. Happens with pitchers all the time too. Pitch count ... blah, blah, blah.

If your team has momentum, and is kicking somebody's butt, get out of the way, coach, and just let them keep doing it!!!!

[hi-rez]

regularguy, where can i find a high resolution copy of your avatar?

[louisvillekid]

i didn't play the Mets today, but i did like them.

i hate getting bad beats in baseball, but it has happened to me so many times over the years, i guess i'm used to it.
there is just way to many goofy stats that coaches look at and decide who should be picthing in a certain situation,instead of just going with the obvious pitcher who is getting the job done.
coaches piss me off when they pull a starter who has pitched a decent game through 6 innings, he may of struggled but got out of the jams, then they bring in a relief for 1 batter, then switch again for another pitcher for the next batter, he'll see 2 batters then they switch again, and it just goes on and on.
damn coaches look to much at left vs. right, who has had good or bad history vs. a next batter, whether a guy is on base and the pitcher they got in is slow at pick-offs or on his delivery and the runner might steal, and etc. etc.
i can't remember the exact game last season , but i took a bad beat on someone , i think it was S.F.
anyway the team was up like 3-4 runs through 6 innings, they pulled the starter, next pitcher sits down the next batter, they switch pitchers, he faces 1 batter and retires him, walks the next , switch pitchers again, next batter grounds out, inning over, next inning a new pitcher, shuts down the first 2 batters, another pitcher, this dude like walked 2, gave up some hits, then a Fukkin home run, that shit just pissed me off.
i remember being sarcastic with a friend at the bar saying, i wonder if the manager was saying this to himself during the game "i wonder how i can piss this game away, my starter has been great, i'll pull him and try someone else, well heck, he's doing good, i'll try another , damn, he's pitching great also, i'll try another, man i can't find anyone to piss this game away for us, bring me another pitcher, YES, thats what i was looking for and i'm going to keep him in maybe they will hit a home-run off him....yep there it went, my mission is accomplished, i pissed this game away for us."

[LT Profits]

Not to state the obvious (but I guess I will...LOL), but the best way to avoid a lot of bad beats is by simply not betting on teams with crappy bullpens. Maybe use my bullpen system starting on May 1 and watch your profits grow.

[regularguy]

I didn't bet the Mets today either. I'm shy about betting against the Phillies right now. I was just interested in the game, and this thread caught my eye.

LT, I'm a believer in bullpens as a big factor in handicapping. If there is a significant difference, especially further into the season, I will rarely bet on the worse pen.

My favorite bet of the day today was the Orioles +130 at Texas. Starting pitchers similarly mediocre (but I thought the O's had a little advantage there); but the Orioles had a significant advantage in the bullpens. I loved that bet. And it came through ... large. I'm sure you have noted the Orioles' bullpen work so far this season -- very decent indeed.

Oh, and the avatar. I honestly don't remember where I found it. I do love it though. One of my favorite sports photos of all time.

[WestsidePete]

Not to state the obvious (but I guess I will...LOL), but the best way to avoid a lot of bad beats is by simply not betting on teams with crappy bullpens. Maybe use my bullpen system starting on May 1 and watch your profits grow.

I'm looking forward to this LT...

[RescueMe]

Bad pen?!
Look at Mariners you should be very bad to be swept by Baltimore 0-4 leading every game! i'm not even talking how much they cost me.

[regularguy]

Yeah RescueMe, I paid attention to that series. The Orioles' bullpen, plus clutch hitting against the Mariners' pen, won those games. That series focused my attention on the O's, and especially on their bullpen.

Perfect example of the importance of bullpens when you are handicapping games.

[LT Profits]

I'm looking forward to this LT...

Here was my article on this Pete:

Bullpens: The Key to Winning Handicapping

[OLGC_Slayer]

I've always maintained that the most horrific bad beats are in bases. Bull Pens that perform poorly are true heartbreakers, if you are on the wrong side.

you are one hundred percent correct buzz. baseball has taken me to the highest highs and the lowest lows. this is the hardcore, potent and pure designer drug of the sporting world.
one single game can take you on a roller coaster ride of emotions, if you wagered on it and are watching it live.
that chicago cubs/pirates game on Monday took 3 months off my life.

[LT Profits]

you are one hundred percent correct buzz. baseball has taken me to the highest highs and the lowest lows. this is the hardcore, potent and pure designer drug of the sporting world.
one single game can take you on a roller coaster ride of emotions, if you wagered on it and are watching it live.
that chicago cubs/pirates game on Monday took 3 months off my life....But I love it!

I figured I'd complete your sentence Slayer.

[OLGC_Slayer]

I figured I'd complete your sentence Slayer.

Its true LT. I do love it....