Roy Oswalt Begins New Chapter With Phillies

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  • Willie Bee
    SBR Posting Legend
    • 02-14-06
    • 15726

    #1
    Roy Oswalt Begins New Chapter With Phillies
    MLB Betting: Roy Oswalt Begins New Chapter With Phillies

    Nationals fans missed Stephen Strasburg on Tuesday and weren't going to see Roy Halladay this weekend. But they will get to watch an ace in new Phillie Roy Oswalt.

    The old W.C. Fields line comes to mind. "On the whole, I'd rather be in Philadelphia." Apparently Roy Oswalt is happy to be there as well after he was acquired from Houston by the Philadelphia Phillies on Thursday for J.A. Happ and a pair of minor leaguers.



    Who can blame him for wanting out after reading the details of the deal coming across the wires. According to ESPN.com, the Astros will pay nearly half of the $23 million Oswalt is guaranteed through the 2011 season. If that's the kind of management Houston has working its baseball operation, is there any hope at all for the franchise?

    Sorry, my emotions are a bit tangled right now what with my heart having been given to the Houston club over 48 years ago. Nobody likes to see a really good player leave their favorite team. Even if it's a decent trade on paper, you hate to see the guys you've cheered on go to another squad. But I can accept a lot of the business part of baseball as 'just part of the game.'

    What I can't accept are bonehead deals like this one. No, not the players Houston gets in return. I'm talking about paying someone's salary to perform and win for another club.

    Oswalt (7-13, 3.42) can in fact start winning for the Phils right away. Friday was to be his normal day to start, and the right-hander was packing and leaving for Washington and catch up with his new club for the series opener against the Nationals. The Nats are scheduled to throw Craig Stammen (5-12, 5.50) in the 7:05 p.m. ET start.

    The Reds pounded on Oswalt in his most recent assignment, what proved to be his final Astros start in front of the home fans, sniff-sniff. Roy O served two long flies and was charged with six runs on nine hits in five innings. Cincinnati won the game 7-0 behind Johnny Cueto in what was basically a pick 'em at the MLB betting window.

    Washington also got to him the last time they faced Oswalt. The fiery Mississippian was ejected in the third inning and charged with four runs in a 14-4 loss as 160 chalk on May 31.

    This will be just the second time Oswalt has pitched at the new stadium in DC, and the only other assignment was a strange game indeed. Oswalt worked into the sixth inning on May 5, 2009 and was eventually charged with four runs. He came out in the bottom of the sixth with a sore finger, and the game eventually went extra innings with a 10-10 deadlock.

    The Nationals were threatening in the bottom of the 11th when the rain that had been falling finally forced the game to come to a halt. Since the Astros had no return visit to DC planned, the game was eventually completed in Houston on July 9. The Nats scored in the first few minutes of the pick-up game for an 11-10 victory.

    There was still the matter of the Phillies home game Thursday evening against the Diamondbacks to resolve before Friday's game gets underway. Philadelphia was favored in that one (minus 150) and went to the 11th inning before pulling out the 3-2 win, the eighth-straight for the Phils.

    Original MLB odds that came out when Happ was supposed to be facing Stamen in this matchup had the Phils 135-140 favorites. The books were already adjusting to 165-170 after the Oswalt trade with the total dropping from nine to eight at most shops. I suspect this one could go 180-185 at places before it's over.

    Stammen is making his third go at the Phils in this one with the previous two coming at the start of his 2010 stat ledger. The former Dayton Flyer no-decisioned in each game, allowing four runs in five innings at home and seven runs before getting out of the second at Philly. The Nats won the home game, 6-5, as 140 'dogs and dropping the other 14-7 with a plus 175 line.

    Nationals Park has been a bit kinder for Stammen, but not by much with a 4.94 ERA in 47 1/3 innings.

    All systems appear to be 'go' on the weather front. Friday evening's first pitch should be around 80ºF with mostly clear skies and a northeast breeze around six currently (in from center).

    NOTE: W-L records displayed for starting pitchers are team records in games the pitchers start.
  • ouman101
    SBR MVP
    • 12-02-09
    • 2815

    #2
    Willie, Do you have a personal opinion for this game?

    I'm not sure what to think right now. I'll probably stay away from this game because I don't know how oswalt will adjust. Personally, I haven't been too impressed with him this year, but who knows if it was just because he wanted out of Houston. His ERA is pretty good, so its probably just Houston's poor hitting showing through in his record.
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    • Mikail
      SBR Posting Legend
      • 07-19-09
      • 21689

      #3
      Gonna stay away from this one. Oswalt should solidify his place on his new team in this spot but anything can happen. I doubt he gets a loss but could get a ND here. Phillies are playing good ball lately!
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      • winningdoc
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 05-27-09
        • 598

        #4
        I like the Phillies R/L for today
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        • Bostongambler
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          • 02-01-08
          • 35581

          #5
          I see the Phils winning tonight. I just looked into the crystal ball.
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          • 2daBank
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 01-26-09
            • 88966

            #6
            my crystal ball is having a little malfunction, it is telling me over but to stay away
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            • AMBlai01
              SBR Hall of Famer
              • 09-16-08
              • 5882

              #7
              I am not sure it will make that big of an impact to the Phillies. That team just can't seem to get it together for long periods of time.
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              • Betting Guru
                SBR Wise Guy
                • 11-24-09
                • 648

                #8
                What a huge pick up by the Phillies. This is going to get them back into the World Series!
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                • Willie Bee
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                  • 02-14-06
                  • 15726

                  #9
                  Originally posted by ouman101
                  Willie, Do you have a personal opinion for this game?
                  No, I don't. Reason is at this stage of the game I'm still being guided by emotions as an Astros fan too much as opposed to what would be any sort of objective reasoning. On one hand, I would favor Oswalt if he was still with the Astros against Craif Stammen and the Nats. Perhaps Oswalt will be relieved to have this several month ordeal finally behind him, relax and go out there tonight with a whale of a game. Maybe the speed in the deal being completed to him taking the mound with his new club will have him all discombobulated above the shoulders. Who knows?
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                  • ICE-BLOOD
                    SBR MVP
                    • 07-21-08
                    • 1004

                    #10
                    nice boost for the phillies getting oswalt

                    maybe can still get the playoff spot they were projected to
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                    • Brock Landers
                      SBR Aristocracy
                      • 06-30-08
                      • 45359

                      #11
                      Phillies didn't really need a guy who will pitch every 5th day, they needed a guy who can hit. There are times that lineup is sickeningly bad.
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                      • zigomanisinsider
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                        • 07-28-09
                        • 4007

                        #12
                        phillies going to be good now
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                        • thebertshow
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 08-30-07
                          • 645

                          #13
                          Phillies will have a big breakout behind Oswalt tonight
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                          • lunchbawks
                            SBR Posting Legend
                            • 01-31-10
                            • 12873

                            #14
                            Phillies can continue winning?
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                            • joe blow
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 05-09-06
                              • 775

                              #15
                              That was one great move by the Phillies
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                              • jjgold
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 07-20-05
                                • 388179

                                #16
                                Easy win tonight

                                Phils RL
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                                • rthoughton
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 12-27-09
                                  • 1992

                                  #17
                                  Originally posted by AMBlai01
                                  I am not sure it will make that big of an impact to the Phillies. That team just can't seem to get it together for long periods of time.
                                  you dont follow baseball much, huh?

                                  Am I the only who remembers the Phils winning back-to-back NLCS titles? the phils have been sickenly stricken with injuries all season and are still well over .500, in the midst of a 10 game home winning streak, called up Brown who made an immediate impact, have the best rbi/hr hitter in baseball over the last 5+ seasons (who is second in the NL in hits), now have the best 1-2-3 rotation in baseball. period.
                                  The Phils are going to roll the rest of the way. it's not even 8/1 and they are going to be 1.5 back after tonight.
                                  The Braves are finished. The Phils are going to be the first team to win 3 straight NL pennants since the 44 Cards.
                                  This is a wrap.
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                                  • 2daBank
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                                    • 01-26-09
                                    • 88966

                                    #18
                                    ok i get this helps philly no doubt but im not sure how ppl can call it a great move when if you look back they basically traded Lee for Oswalt, imo that is not a great move...it was a must move to compensate for the terrible mistake they made saying they couldnt afford Lee in the 1st place......
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                                    • Ralphie1412
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 01-29-08
                                      • 13963

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by Brock Landers
                                      Phillies didn't really need a guy who will pitch every 5th day, they needed a guy who can hit. There are times that lineup is sickeningly bad.
                                      You are an idiot. Yes they have struggled but they are on a 8 game win streak and hitting the shit out of the ball. Why go get a hitter when Chase Utley is do back in a week. Thats the missing piece. Brock just stop talking, you get dumber by the minute.

                                      Like 2dabank said, this is them clearly admitting they botched the cliff lee deal. They gave away the best pitcher in baseball who pitched UNBELIEVEABLY in a world series.
                                      "This is why my basketball intelligence is unmatched on this site. I'm sure there are better cappers but no one can tell you the strategies of most coaches before the game even starts "
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                                      • sportsfun
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 11-05-05
                                        • 1055

                                        #20
                                        final piece to playoff puzzle for phillies? have to catch braves and then maybe fend off yankees or drays.
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                                        • Inspirited
                                          SBR MVP
                                          • 06-26-10
                                          • 1789

                                          #21
                                          exciting trade
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                                          • Fasttrack
                                            SBR Sharp
                                            • 02-23-10
                                            • 464

                                            #22
                                            Phillies pitching looks really solid now. Come playoff time they are going to tough.
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                                            • mattyend33
                                              SBR High Roller
                                              • 07-06-10
                                              • 155

                                              #23
                                              solid three pitchers always liked oswalt
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                                              • kidk
                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                • 03-22-09
                                                • 879

                                                #24
                                                phils easy win tonight oswalt i say goes 6 or 7 1 run ball
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                                                • Kraghen
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 07-08-10
                                                  • 2509

                                                  #25
                                                  I'll stay away from this game... but I guess the Phillies will win tonight...
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                                                  • pimike
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                                                    • 03-23-08
                                                    • 37139

                                                    #26
                                                    Thanks Willie
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                                                    • rthoughton
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 12-27-09
                                                      • 1992

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by 2daBank
                                                      ok i get this helps philly no doubt but im not sure how ppl can call it a great move when if you look back they basically traded Lee for Oswalt, imo that is not a great move...it was a must move to compensate for the terrible mistake they made saying they couldnt afford Lee in the 1st place......
                                                      What is the confusion about this Lee deal?!!
                                                      If the Phils would have kept Lee, they wouldn't have gotten Halladay. And if they would have gotten Halladay and kept Lee, they would have lost Drabek Taylor AND Dom Brown. This Phils team has to maintain something in its system as it is not yet on the financial level of the Yanks.
                                                      By sending Lee to Seattle, they re-stocked their farm (adding Gillies and Aumont), got to keep Domonic Brown, and now landed Oswalt for Happ and peanuts. Brown is competing at the ML level already.
                                                      This is absolutely NOT a Lee for Oswalt trade. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Keeping Lee was not an option if the Phils were intent on getting Doc and looking to compete 3+ seasons from now.
                                                      Rollins, Utley, Howard are all drafted talent, farm talent. The Phils cannot sell the farm like the Yanks. They have to stay stocked if they wish to compete long term.
                                                      They just got $11mil from the Astros on Oswalt's contract thru 2011, can play Brown in RF in 2011, and still have some money left for the fa market postseason.
                                                      Please stop with the Lee for Oswalt babble. It is VERY off base.
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                                                      • 2daBank
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 01-26-09
                                                        • 88966

                                                        #28
                                                        Originally posted by rthoughton
                                                        What is the confusion about this Lee deal?!!
                                                        If the Phils would have kept Lee, they wouldn't have gotten Halladay. And if they would have gotten Halladay and kept Lee, they would have lost Drabek Taylor AND Dom Brown. This Phils team has to maintain something in its system as it is not yet on the financial level of the Yanks.
                                                        By sending Lee to Seattle, they re-stocked their farm (adding Gillies and Aumont), got to keep Domonic Brown, and now landed Oswalt for Happ and peanuts. Brown is competing at the ML level already.
                                                        This is absolutely NOT a Lee for Oswalt trade. NOT EVEN CLOSE. Keeping Lee was not an option if the Phils were intent on getting Doc and looking to compete 3+ seasons from now.
                                                        Rollins, Utley, Howard are all drafted talent, farm talent. The Phils cannot sell the farm like the Yanks. They have to stay stocked if they wish to compete long term.
                                                        They just got $11mil from the Astros on Oswalt's contract thru 2011, can play Brown in RF in 2011, and still have some money left for the fa market postseason.
                                                        Please stop with the Lee for Oswalt babble. It is VERY off base.
                                                        they shipped Lee because of financial reasons and now they gonna pay Oswalt what they would have paid Lee, spin it all you want.......
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                                                        • rthoughton
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 12-27-09
                                                          • 1992

                                                          #29
                                                          you dont know what youre talking about. the shipped Lee to maintain their farm. Toronto wanted Taylor, Drabek, and Brown for Halladay. By sending Lee to Toronto, they added pieces to their farm, and kept Brown.
                                                          Now, for SIGNIFICANTLY LESS money, they add Oswalt.
                                                          Do your effing homework you fool.
                                                          Im pretty sure Amarojr knows more about his team's financial/farm situation than you do.
                                                          Lee is a stud and I hated to see him go, but if you think this is a whoops move, than you are ignorant to the entire situation.
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                                                          • rthoughton
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 12-27-09
                                                            • 1992

                                                            #30
                                                            Lee for one, or Halladay for 3. those were the options.
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                                                            • 2daBank
                                                              SBR Aristocracy
                                                              • 01-26-09
                                                              • 88966

                                                              #31
                                                              bad choice
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                                                              • 2daBank
                                                                SBR Aristocracy
                                                                • 01-26-09
                                                                • 88966

                                                                #32
                                                                [quote=rthoughton;5707035]This Phils team has to maintain something in its system as it is not yet on the financial level of the Yanks.[/quote]


                                                                lmao, "not yet", or ever, give me a break, and you wanna call me a fool, yet you believe at some point phi gonna be on the same financial level as the yankees

                                                                no you not a full blown homer
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                                                                • rthoughton
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 12-27-09
                                                                  • 1992

                                                                  #33
                                                                  wrong again. I love it that some dude on SBR thinks he knows more about what's best for the Phils than the GM of the back-to-back NL pennant winning Phils.
                                                                  By making these moves, the Phils will maintain relevance forever, as opposed to your idea, which would have them sunk by 2012.
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                                                                  • rthoughton
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 12-27-09
                                                                    • 1992

                                                                    #34
                                                                    right. never will they be on the financial level of the yanks. which is why they have to take their farm into consideration. Unlike the yanks.
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                                                                    • rthoughton
                                                                      SBR MVP
                                                                      • 12-27-09
                                                                      • 1992

                                                                      #35
                                                                      If it were the yanks, they would have given everything in their farm for Halladay, and kept Lee. but this is not the Yanks we are talking about.
                                                                      All I can do is shake my head. you are extremely misinformed. Clearly you wont even take some good information. you are dense, son.
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