Some Random Baseball Thoughts

[lyon804]

Recently, I have noticed the Mets are now the Muts again.. Is anybody surprised? Of course not. They overachieved the 1H of the year and was getting ready for there eventual second half collapse, but it was spurred on a little earlier by getting Beltran back. Inserting Beltran has messed with some chemistry and has taken Angel Pagan out of the everyday lineup and he has been a main part of there success along with some overachieving starting pitching.


Also, watch out for the Indians. No, I don't think they are going to win squat but this is a young group of guys that most likely would still be in the minors in other organizations, but they are playing hungry for the love of the game and I think they might be undervalued going forward due to perception. I think the Indians are better off not getting any starters back at this point. Those youngsters are playing hard and there too young and dumb to know or care there season in over.



Anybody else have any thoughts or observations you would like to share as the second half shapes up.



Oh, one more thing to consider. Any of you Futures players out there take a look at Texas at +1015 to win the WS. Yes, I know they would have to beat the Yankess but I don't think that is impossible especially with Cliff Lee now. Keep in mind last year Lee gave the Phillies there only 2 wins against the Yankees in the Series. Of course if Texas hangs in there and gets to that point and advances you will be sitting very pretty holding that ticket.

[2daBank]

solid thread and i do have a thought........What the hell is wrong with these ppl that continually bet these chalky road favs that have sub .500 road records? How can you justify laying -150 -160 -170 on a road team that is 14-26(or whatever)? I dont give a shit who is pitching or who is playing these teams have already proven they not even gonna win 50% of the time yet ppl act surprised or angered when they fukkin lose!!!!! Guess what you were supposed to lose.......i dont wanna hear what a bad beat it was or how disappointed you are in the team, you should be pissed at yourself for taking a losing proposition in the 1st place.....

[lyon804]

Exactly Banker!


One other thing I want you people to write down... The Pads omg the Pads. It's not if they fall out of the race but when? Has anybody seen there roster? Baseball going forward is more predictable in the 2H when the money starts to show. Many yrs you see overachievers thru the first 80-100 games of the year but the creme of the crop usually rises in the 2H and I fully expect the Pads to get wiped out. Outside of there pitching and 1B is there anybody else on there team that could start for anybody else???

[landers781]

Lyon, I think you are spot on in buying that Rangers Future. I was just telling a buddy of mine this weekend that Texas is a very tough team mixed with the pitching and hitting that can get them deep into the playoffs. I have kinda laid off my baseball betting since the all star break, but it seems as though since then I have had a clearer thought process on everything.

Bank, good point with the high chalk road faves, but you can preach it all you want, you will still have people not wanting to hear that and still will always bet the Yankees -165 on the road just because its the yankees.

I had another thought this weekend, but I cant remember. Might have to go through some texts and see if I was talking about it to someone

[shoebox]

you gotta realize that the texas heat beats the rangers down, they historically wear down the 2h

[2daBank]

honestly bro i think the pads are gonna continue to be tough, the only thing i could see hurting them is they have quite a few young arms that have already or are going to fly over the amount of innings they have pitched in a season, so i could see them wearing down.....short of that though look at the west and all the flaws of the other teams.... SF great rotation, solid pen, but light on bats (sd is basically sf light)...La is flaky and lacks pitching depth.....Col can catch fire but id expect Jimenez to come back to earth a little (not overreaction from tonight as i said this before tonight) and the rest of there staff is iffy at best....SD does the little thing right in a throwback small ball day and age, if the young pitchers hold up watch out......

[2daBank]

Lyon, I think you are spot on in buying that Rangers Future. I was just telling a buddy of mine this weekend that Texas is a very tough team mixed with the pitching and hitting that can get them deep into the playoffs. I have kinda laid off my baseball betting since the all star break, but it seems as though since then I have had a clearer thought process on everything.

Bank, good point with the high chalk road faves, but you can preach it all you want, you will still have people not wanting to hear that and still will always bet the Yankees -165 on the road just because its the yankees.

I had another thought this weekend, but I cant remember. Might have to go through some texts and see if I was talking about it to someone

as much as i hate to admit it bro, Yankees were not one of the teams i was talking about as they win everywhere.....i hope ppl dont hear me on these bad road teams and keep laying the chalk cause it gives us better lines....

[lyon804]

you gotta realize that the texas heat beats the rangers down, they historically wear down the 2h

duely noted SB, but this isn't quite your Dad's Rangers here. And Besides we are talking a +1000 pick, not exactly a

[landers781]

Shoe, I agree there, but i dont think LAA has what it takes to clinch the west this year (Unless a trade happens at the deadline) and OAK isnt really scary either

[lyon804]

Seriously, anybody that has a pot to piss in and a window to throw it out of should throw at least 2-3 bones on Texas WS Futures to get back 2-3K. Many throw away more money than that on some meaningless game in April betting a fukking total..LOL

[landers781]

Bank, thats one of my weaknesses in betting bases. I always tend to go against the Yanks and it bites me. (See Dodgers Yanks Sunday night baseball 3 weeks ago) I just lay off their opponents now. I can easily admit though, that bases isn't a strong point of mine. I know the game but there is always that one important angle i tend to miss more times than not.

[lyon804]

Hell you have cashed if they win the ALCS. Hedge all you want in the Series if you like.

[2daBank]

almost positive tex is gonna be in playoffs, if anything by default as Laa is trash, nothing like the good angel teams of the past...i would like to add though, tex coke head manager is not real bright and i could see him costing them some games..

[2daBank]

another little nugget.....if anyone hasnt figured it out already Wainwright is the absolute nuts at home, best bet in baseball is Wainwright at home in a day game......Lucky us this is gonna happen on Thur, bet accordingly

[landers781]

I would trust my money with a Nolan Ryan organization. They got the bats to pretty much score at will. They can dominate their division.

I guess we start seeing the contenders and the pretenders showing up now. I dont think the reds will keep up with what they did the first half and Banks cards should get back on track

[landers781]

I think this place could be great if everyone one had banks knowledge of their home teams for example. Info like that is just priceless in betting MLB

[lyon804]

another little nugget.....if anyone hasnt figured it out already Wainwright is the absolute nuts at home, best bet in baseball is Wainwright at home in a day game......Lucky us this is gonna happen on Thur, bet accordingly

Love Wainy! Yeah, he has been the nuts for awhile. That was an excellent trade by my the Braves to give him to your Cards For real, I can't bet baseball but that dude made me a ton of cash last year in Fantasy Baseball Leagues I was in. If I am not mistaken he was like a middle round guy last year before the season and wasn't on everybodies radar prior to 2009 season. Now, he is HH Name.

[2daBank]

Reds are not going anywhere Landers, you right about the cards playing better but the Reds are for real and we both have incredibly weak schedules, my guess is whoever doesnt win the central will get the wild card......

[lyon804]

I would trust my money with a Nolan Ryan organization. They got the bats to pretty much score at will. They can dominate their division.

I guess we start seeing the contenders and the pretenders showing up now. I dont think the reds will keep up with what they did the first half and Banks cards should get back on track

Oh, for sure. The Reds will not see the finish line in that division with the Cards. They will be buried well before September ends. I expect the Cards to start there 2H surge and take that divison going away.

[2daBank]

Reds biggest flaw is there idiot manager...if there young arms hold up they will be in the playoffs...

[landers781]

Good to know! Thats your division so I will definatly take your word for it. Seems like they hit a little slump. Surprises this year. What do you guys think about this rockies team? They are kinda reminding me of 07 when they would just come back and win..they fell short tonight but i have seen alot of games where they just come out of no where and win

[Patrick McIrish]

Good thread guys, this is the kind of stuff that makes me come to SBR. Props.



PS - will add some thoughts tomorrow, going to go lick my wounds for tonight.

[2daBank]

can wait Patrick, always enjoy hearing what you have to say....

[lyon804]

Don't like the Rockies as much as yrs past, but nevertheless I can't count them out. They have had some magical runs and when Tulo gets back they could be some danger. Also, they play in the worst divison in the NL, that never hurts.

[2daBank]

Good to know! Thats your division so I will definatly take your word for it. Seems like they hit a little slump. Surprises this year. What do you guys think about this rockies team? They are kinda reminding me of 07 when they would just come back and win..they fell short tonight but i have seen alot of games where they just come out of no where and win

West is the biggest coin flip out there imo....Col could easily take off, especially when they get healthy....they are fukkin great at home and have the pedigree of making runs....honestly i got no clue who wins the west as it a legit four team race...hate to say it but i think sf will pull it out, would love for it to be SD.....rather not see Col in the playoffs as they have had our number for years.....the only thing im pretty sure of is La will not win it.....

[lyon804]

Banker,

Once again we are in the same thread saying the same things just worded differently. As you once said.. Great minds think alike..

[2daBank]

I think this place could be great if everyone one had banks knowledge of their home teams for example. Info like that is just priceless in betting MLB

i appreciate the kind words my friend..

i do think there are tons of good ppl here that know there teams very well, unfortunately so many are just flat out homers that wanna push a agenda over being honest, then there are the guys that dont wanna sound like these homerish pricks so they try to be quite about there teams...then there the guys that are terrible with there team wanting to pick against them because they have been let down...bottom line is the Cardinals are probably the only team in any sport i have any loyalty to what so ever, but that doesnt change the fact i like to win and dont mind being honest about my team...i probably dont bet against them as much as i should at times but i will always tell everyone when i feel they are a bad or good bet.....

[2daBank]

Banker,

Once again we are in the same thread saying the same things just worded differently. As you once said.. Great minds think alike..

[landers781]

I have the issue with my red sox that this team has just been so damn unpredictable this season that I just totally ignore them. I still have no idea how they are ony 5 games behind the yankees with the injury bug to what I feel is one of the biggest keys of the team (pedroia) plus both catchers and 2 starting pitchers

[lyon804]

to me the redsox have been amazing cosidering the circumstaces. who knows alot of games left and they are in the hunt.

[landers781]

I know, i just cant help but thinking that the band aids are going to fall off someday. When you have Ryan Sheahy, Daniel Nava and Darnell McDonald winning games for you, its impressing but when do they come back to earth

[2daBank]

ive been doing pretty well fading the red sox in spots lately, as what they have accomplished with all the injuries was very impressive but it has also givin me the opportunity to bet against them at good prices in the TB series and the tex series...full discloser here, generally when it comes to the sox and the yanks i either fade or stay away, as they public teams and what can i say i hate them both i have been trying to put my nyy hatred aside and bet them from time to time but it isnt easy.....

[Brock Landers]

The Cubs will win just enough...and draw enough fans, to delude people into thinking this version of the team can win. They need to blow the motherfukker to high hell and start over. Colvin is excellent, Castro is a great young SS, the rest, except MAYBE Marmol, can get lost.

[landers781]

Sox fans dont hate Cardinals, just the yankees, rays & angels and ill always hate the mets

Its funny I see alot of cappers arent fans of any teams but when it comes to baseball, they are right there for their team.

[2daBank]

The Cubs will win just enough...and draw enough fans, to delude people into thinking this version of the team can win. They need to blow the motherfukker to high hell and start over. Colvin is excellent, Castro is a great young SS, the rest, except MAYBE Marmol, can get lost.

i dont care who is on the Cubs at the start of every year as i know the golden rule, The cubs will never win!!!!!!!! I do however think they will have some spots in the second half where they will be a solid bet, i dont think ppl will continue to turn a nice profit just simply fading them.....Just for fukks sakes everyone out there DONT FUKKING BET THEM AFTER THEY LOOK GREAT AND ARE -160!!!!!!!!!!!!!!