STL bullpen at it again..

Pauulzcappin · 07-07-10, 10:27 PM

that's what you get for paying larussa to manage.

HoulihansTX · 07-07-10, 10:29 PM

Larussa doesnt throw strikes though.

The problem is the bully doesnt throw strikes either.

STL is an elite team, aside from their middle relief

2daBank · 07-07-10, 10:29 PM

fukkin crazy before this series we hardly ever lost when we scored first or had the lead late, im starting to worry our pen getting taxed...good fukkin thing i havnt been playing them or i would be all messed up over this shit......

HoulihansTX · 07-07-10, 10:32 PM

Originally posted by 2daBank

fukkin crazy before this series we hardly ever lost when we scored first or had the lead late, im starting to worry our pen getting taxed...good fukkin thing i havnt been playing them or i would be all messed up over this shit......

Is Carpenter a good bet tomorrow? I want to get down bug on him. His career numbers are as good as it gets, and Umbaldo is getting back to what he is supposed to be. Mediocre...

At least when STL get a lead tomorrow Carp will go 7-8 innings and keep the lead.

Pauulzcappin · 07-07-10, 10:34 PM

Check Carp's last outing, Houli...

LaRussa is an idiot though, I really hate this guy with a passion.

No coincidences · 07-07-10, 10:34 PM

Originally posted by HoulihansTX

Is Carpenter a good bet tomorrow? I want to get down bug on him. His career numbers are as good as it gets, and Umbaldo is getting back to what he is supposed to be. Mediocre...

At least when STL get a lead tomorrow Carp will go 7-8 innings and keep the lead.

Ubaldo's not "mediocre" -- he just isn't Bob Gibson.

And Carp got torched his last time out.

2daBank · 07-07-10, 10:35 PM

yea i think especially getting him plus money after a bad start...if we lose this game though i would worry about our mind set......

2daBank · 07-07-10, 10:36 PM

go find me how many times Carp has had back 2 back bad starts

No coincidences · 07-07-10, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by 2daBank

go find me how many times Carp has had back 2 back bad starts

His last two haven't been great. I love Carp, but let's face it, he's on the back nine of his career.

HoulihansTX · 07-07-10, 10:38 PM

Its all about career stats with me...

Carpenter has won 90% of his games for the last 2 years... Umbaldo is playing over his head. Many of the games Umbaldo has won he has received great run support.

IF the giants can beat Jimenez, then I know that Carpenter can.

HoulihansTX · 07-07-10, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by No coincidences

His last two haven't been great. I love Carp, but let's face it, he's on the back nine of his career.

9-2 3ERA

Pauulzcappin · 07-07-10, 10:40 PM

That's not the point though, he got lit up by the Brewers after getting hit in the arm.

He isn't on DL but how will this affect his next outing?

No coincidences · 07-07-10, 10:42 PM

Originally posted by HoulihansTX

9-2 3ERA

He's also 35 and not looking quite as dominant as he had been in recent years IMHO.

2daBank · 07-07-10, 10:44 PM

everything i heard he is fine, the guy is a warrior and really dont see any reason not to expect 8 in 2-3 er 2marro he knows our pen is dead he will go a long way...even with all that i dont think i can play them as i told NC yesterday i do not think betting us in Col is a good idea we struggle there and i havnt seen anything to not think i was spot on to this point.....

Pauulzcappin · 07-07-10, 10:45 PM

I'd lay 5x if it was Wainwright on the mound tomorrow.

lyon804 · 07-07-10, 10:45 PM

You are talking starting pitching... it only accounts for maybe 50% of the total picture.... as evidenced by the last 2 nites in Col.

2daBank · 07-07-10, 10:47 PM

Originally posted by No coincidences

He's also 35 and not looking quite as dominant as he had been in recent years IMHO.

he isnt as dominate, his fastball is down a few mph, early in the year he was struggling to find his cutter but has been throwing it much better as of late, while that is good his walks have been much higher than normal...all that though and he still does the job quality start after quality start and in a spot like 2marro i expect him to be on, question is will it be enough.....

2daBank · 07-07-10, 10:48 PM

Originally posted by lyon804

You are talking starting pitching... it only accounts for maybe 50% of the total picture.... as evidenced by the last 2 nites in Col.

until these last two days you didnt have to worry about our pen....and when Carp or Wainwright pitching its more than 50% as they dont leave much work for the pen very often

cro · 07-07-10, 10:48 PM

easy winner
go rockies

2daBank · 07-07-10, 10:49 PM

another walk off, i wouldnt touch us 2marro uncle mo is not on our side.....

cro · 07-07-10, 10:50 PM

you dont win the next game after losing like they did last night

lyon804 · 07-07-10, 10:52 PM

Originally posted by 2daBank

until these last two days you didnt have to worry about our pen....and when Carp or Wainwright pitching its more than 50% as they dont leave much work for the pen very often

Well sure those 2 of course, but I meant in general. STL going to be fine. With those 2 you name they have the best chance of winning the World Series of any NL team.

No coincidences · 07-07-10, 10:54 PM

Originally posted by lyon804

You are talking starting pitching... it only accounts for maybe 50% of the total picture.... as evidenced by the last 2 nites in Col.

StL's bullpen is normally pretty solid, and let's face it: hitters have figured something out with Ubaldo recently.

lyon804 · 07-07-10, 10:54 PM

Like you said Bank... COLO just has STL's #

lyon804 · 07-07-10, 10:56 PM

Originally posted by No coincidences

StL's bullpen is normally pretty solid, and let's face it: hitters have figured something out with Ubaldo recently.

Sure, I agree.

Nocoin, is baseball your best sport? or favorite sport. You seem to be on top of it quite well.

2daBank · 07-07-10, 10:58 PM

i think a big factor with our pen is we had to pull Hawksworth out of there and force him to start, looks like its starting to show as he gave us good innings in the middle all year......

No coincidences · 07-07-10, 11:00 PM

Originally posted by lyon804

Sure, I agree.

Nocoin, is baseball your best sport? or favorite sport. You seem to be on top of it quite well.

By far. I've made a ton on Fantasy baseball the past 10 years; this is my first season gambling it.

pat venditto · 07-07-10, 11:01 PM

Unreal this is the crazy game we like to bet on called baseball.

blackbox · 07-07-10, 11:23 PM

If the CARDS only had a closer-like the ECK.

mtneer1212 · 07-07-10, 11:27 PM

They really need to get some bullpen help before the trade deadline.

Mr.Carrot · 07-07-10, 11:30 PM

bullpen, bullpen...the weak leg of a lot of teams

2daBank · 07-07-10, 11:36 PM

Mr Carrot, our pen has been very strong all season, however when Penny and Loshe went down out of our starting rotation it forced us to take one of our best middle relievers and turn him starter (Hawksworth), at this same time we also had to bring Suppan in so we have 2 guys starting that are not going past 5 and one of them is our middle reliever so our pen is getting worked harder and shorthanded at the same time....

HoulihansTX · 07-07-10, 11:40 PM

STL wins tomorrow. I betting them small.

Carpenter at plus money is a rare occasion.

2daBank · 07-07-10, 11:45 PM

Originally posted by HoulihansTX

STL wins tomorrow. I betting them small.

Carpenter at plus money is a rare occasion.

and it a day game

sounds like a degen bet in the making.....i been doing good avoiding those i guess i deserve 1