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  • GiveMeaBJ
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 09-08-09
    • 8449

    #1
    Easy Winner for Wednesday Afternoon
    This one sticks out like a sore thumb tomorrow and I still can't figure out why this line is so low.

    Cardinals -135 (2:15 PM ET)

    Someone please explain this line. We have a 25-12 home record for the Cardinals and a 12-30 road record for the Diamondbacks. The Diamondbacks own the worst bullpen in the league and have lost the first two games of this three game set. So why so low? Well it can't be a trap, it is just oddsmakers undervaluing Jeff Suppan. They did it in his first few starts back and are doing it again. Suppan's first start was at home against Seattle where they made him a -165 favorite. However, in the other two games of that series the Cardinals were -280 and -200. This continues to happen, in his second start (home vs Oakland) he was -105, the other two games they were -238 and -219. Then in Kansas City he was +145 while they were -119 and -137.

    I guess there is good reason he should be getting no respect from oddsmakers, I mean he absolutley shit the bed in Milwaukee but how quickly we forget what team he joined. The Cardinals have a history of doing great things with pitchers that are either ending there career or struggling elsewhere. How many times do we have to see it until we expect it? Look at John Smoltz last year. Duncan is able to take these guys and adjust their games to get good results and he is doing it again with Suppan.

    Let's remember Suppan had the best years of his career under Duncan and then bolted for the money in Milwuakee where the Brewers really ran out of patience with him and removed him from the rotation after just two starts which is a little extreme. The results for Suppan so far have been better, but it remains to be seen just how well he can do. After all in his three starts the Cardinals are 1-2 and in those three starts he was very limited on pitch count as they are trying to stretch his arm back out after not throwing more then 4 innings since April 23. He threw 86 pitches last time out so expect him to be able to throw 95-100 if he doesn't get into trouble. His three starts come out to a 3.95 ERA and I have supreme confidence in Duncan. I am also hoping throwing in a place where he had success will bring him some luck. Since 2005 in Busch Stadium he is 9-2 with a 3.05 ERA in over 140 innings.

    The Diamondbacks since May 17 are 3-18 on the road. Not to mention, on the season against over .500 teams they are 7-25 on the road for the year. They have lost 10 of their last 14 and 24 of their last 34 games overall. The Cardinals have won 15 of their last 21 games at home. The Cardinals are 7-1 in their last 8 games at home against the Diamondbacks. The contrast in bullpens won't help either.

    The Diamondbacks bullpen is especially terrible blowing all sorts of games in crazy ways throughout the years (including game one). They have a 6.08 ERA over 152 innings. The Cardinals bullpen has gone 177.1 innings and has an ERA of just 2.52. The team ERA on the road is an embarrassing 5.45 and while they can't get anyone out they also can't get anyone on with an average of .226 on the road against righties. The bullpen ERA on the road is 7.46.

    The Diamondbacks will throw rookie Barry Enright who is making his major league debut. The start was originally for Edwin Jackson but they are giving him a few extra off days after a 149 pitch no-hitter. Enright was taken in the 2nd round of the 2007 draft and was given the start because he was pitching the best out of the minor league candidates. Apparently, he has great control which is the key to his success. His stuff is said to be very average but his control is the driving force. His fastball is his main pitch and I don't think this is a good spot for him to succeed. Going against a steady lineup without overpowering stuff in your big league debut I think he is going to learn quick that guys like Albert Pujols and Matt Holliday can take advantage of some of those pitches getting the guys down at AA out.

    The bottom line is a terrible road team, that can't field, has one of the worst bullpens I have seen, and is starting a pitcher who has never pitched in the majors before who is said to have average stuff. Against one of the top home teams in the league with a great bullpen and a veteran pitcher. The line is only -135?
  • 2daBank
    SBR Aristocracy
    • 01-26-09
    • 88966

    #2
    all that is great and yes zona throwing out a minor league pitcher, yes they suck on the road, yes there pen sucks, but there 1 thing about my Cardinals that not everyone knows WE DO NOT SWEEP 3 GAME SERIES.....so far this year we have had 7 chances and guess what we 0-7 trying for the sweep 0-9 going back to last year, could this finally be the 1? sure, fuk i hope so, but until they prove to me they can sweep ill just watch as this shit reeks to me of this fuk job minor league pitcher giving us problems (dont think it can happen? look at Bud fukkin Norris we the only team that guy beats) or if not that zona is more than capable of putting some runs up against soup....like i said i hope it happens and wish you luck but ill take my money from the 1st 2 games and just watch this one as im not getting a good enough price to back zona.....gl
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    • Shortstop
      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
      • 01-02-09
      • 27281

      #3
      I'm lovin' the Over 9.5
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      • 2daBank
        SBR Aristocracy
        • 01-26-09
        • 88966

        #4
        Originally posted by Shortstop
        I'm lovin' the Over 9.5

        if i touched this game that would be my play as well shorty....
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        • GiveMeaBJ
          SBR Hall of Famer
          • 09-08-09
          • 8449

          #5
          Originally posted by 2daBank
          all that is great and yes zona throwing out a minor league pitcher, yes they suck on the road, yes there pen sucks, but there 1 thing about my Cardinals that not everyone knows WE DO NOT SWEEP 3 GAME SERIES.....so far this year we have had 7 chances and guess what we 0-7 trying for the sweep 0-9 going back to last year, could this finally be the 1? sure, fuk i hope so, but until they prove to me they can sweep ill just watch as this shit reeks to me of this fuk job minor league pitcher giving us problems (dont think it can happen? look at Bud fukkin Norris we the only team that guy beats) or if not that zona is more than capable of putting some runs up against soup....like i said i hope it happens and wish you luck but ill take my money from the 1st 2 games and just watch this one as im not getting a good enough price to back zona.....gl

          Yea but you guys swept the Braves in a 4 game set this year.
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          • 2daBank
            SBR Aristocracy
            • 01-26-09
            • 88966

            #6
            Originally posted by GiveMeaBJ
            Yea but you guys swept the Braves in a 4 game set this year.
            yea and we swept someone in a 2 game (forget who) doesnt change the fact we 0-7 trying for the 3 game sweep and that line screamin we not gonna get it done again...hasnt really showed this series as we been getting key hits from miles and lopez but we also w/o freeze and Ludwick, this is just what STL is so far this year they look great and dominate teams (actually got lucky game 1) then everyone thinks here we come then bam game 3 we look like straight dog shit again...like i said i hope yo win and wish you luck but pass for me......
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            • 2daBank
              SBR Aristocracy
              • 01-26-09
              • 88966

              #7
              honestly think mil is a much better bet for the day games.....
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              • jjgold
                SBR Aristocracy
                • 07-20-05
                • 388179

                #8
                Cards are overrated, Supan is not really that great

                Trap written all over it
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                • SamsNCharge99
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 10-22-08
                  • 41242

                  #9
                  gl buddy
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                  • hugh_morris
                    SBR MVP
                    • 11-17-09
                    • 2039

                    #10
                    the snakes bite today....and by the way bro, wheres my coin?....did i get lost in the shuffle...c'mon..i'll tell ya what GiveMeaBJ...I'll take zona' , if they lose, you owe me nothin'...they win...you give me 250pts. in timely payments of a steady 30 a week til' paid...deal?
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                    • polskboy
                      SBR MVP
                      • 01-29-10
                      • 1688

                      #11
                      Originally posted by jjgold
                      Cards are overrated, Supan is not really that great Trap written all over it
                      i think the same jj
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                      • GiveMeaBJ
                        SBR Hall of Famer
                        • 09-08-09
                        • 8449

                        #12
                        Originally posted by jjgold
                        Cards are overrated, Supan is not really that great

                        Trap written all over it
                        Thank god. Praise the lord. The lovable loser doesn't like my bet. I don't see it as a trap, I just see it as the books underrating Suppan as they have all year. Sure Suppan was terrible in Milwaukee but I think he has a good chance to turn things around in Stl.

                        Originally posted by hugh_morris
                        the snakes bite today....and by the way bro, wheres my coin?....did i get lost in the shuffle...c'mon..i'll tell ya what GiveMeaBJ...I'll take zona' , if they lose, you owe me nothin'...they win...you give me 250pts. in timely payments of a steady 30 a week til' paid...deal?
                        The truth is you may or may not have noticed but I had about 2 months where I hadn't even been on SBR. Now I am back posting very sparingly due to a lack of free time. I completley forgot who I owed the pizza points too and just last night sent Mexican Stallion my 71 points I had accumalted trying to close out that loan. I don't want to bet it with you. I'd rather just pay you out the original loan as quickly as I can. I know I promised it quicker then this but I owe SBR points and I am not going to come home from work shot to hell at 6 AM and say, oh I better go on SBR and send that guy points. I am sure you understand. Just do me a favor and if you see me post pop in and reply so I can send you the points. Here is seven for now, it's all I can afford.
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                        • hugh_morris
                          SBR MVP
                          • 11-17-09
                          • 2039

                          #13
                          ok brother...thanks for the reply back....no problem...i'm not destitute for the points are anything, just dont want to be the dust under the rug...if you want to pay stallion off first, no problem...just send them to me as you get them...out..
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                          • Brock Landers
                            SBR Aristocracy
                            • 06-30-08
                            • 45359

                            #14
                            CARDS just an ave team
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                            • 2daBank
                              SBR Aristocracy
                              • 01-26-09
                              • 88966

                              #15
                              tried to tell ya giver, i know my Cardinals.........
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                              • No coincidences
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 01-18-10
                                • 76300

                                #16
                                Anytime you think a play makes too much sense in baseball, it's probably best to stay away.

                                I did that with Milwaukee today.
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                                • Cubs4591
                                  Restricted User
                                  • 12-23-09
                                  • 330

                                  #17
                                  go angels!!
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                                  • Cubs4591
                                    Restricted User
                                    • 12-23-09
                                    • 330

                                    #18
                                    do people think that the royals will win tonight?
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