St. Louis Cardinals are the most overrated and overvalued team in baseball?

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  • dynamite140
    SBR MVP
    • 07-05-08
    • 4958

    #1
    St. Louis Cardinals are the most overrated and overvalued team in baseball?
    I wrote a thread where i stated Jake Peavy is the most overrated pitcher because of his inflated numbers due to Petco Park and many agree with me. Many agree with me and you can clearly see that Peavy is having trouble adjusting in the AL. Even by looking at Padre games this year, you can see that most games are low scoring and he had the help of Petco Park and is an average pitcher at best if he does not pitch there.

    I know teams like Yankees get high lines because of their reputation. The same can be said with the Chicago Cubs and the St. Louis Cardinals. Yankees get high lines because they have great pitching and one of the best offenses in baseball. The cubs are just chokers but when they are favorites, their lines are not as high as the Yankees and the Cardinals.

    I am not sure but I think the St. Louis Cardinals has to have the most -200 lines than any other team in baseball and I have no clue why they are always this high. Yes I know their pitchers are great as in Wainwright and Carpenter but have you guys seen their offense? This has to be one of the worst offenses i ever seen in baseball besides the Padres and the Giants but they have good excuses because of their ballparks.

    I just never understood why the Cards are always -200 , -250 and a few times -300 this year at home even though they had Wainwright/Carpenter on the mound. How can a team in baseball have such a high line when their offense is horrible. The same can be said of Peavy with the Padres when he was -240 at home against a team like the Giants with a horrible pitcher and most games will end 3-1, 3-2, 2-1, 2-0 or 1-0.

    I know the Cardinals won the WS few years ago but every year they seem to win their division. However, when the postseason comes, they seem to choke as much as the Cubs. Last year they had the best record in the NL and if I'm not mistaken, they got swept by the Wildcard team.

    Their only offense is Albert Pujols. No player on their team has much offense.

    I just don't understand why this team gets such a high line at home. They get higher lines than the Yankees from what i'm seeing.

    Why would someone say -200 with the Cardinals at home with Carpenter against the Mets for example then taking the Yankees -200 at home with Burnett against the Royals. At least with the Yankees, you know they can score. With the cardinals, once the other team puts up 2 runs, you are in big trouble because the Cardinals have no offense what so ever.


    Anyone else agree that the Cardinals are the most overrated and most overvalued team in baseball? I just never understood how a team that has no offense but good pitching gets such high lines.
  • Sawyer
    SBR Hall of Famer
    • 06-01-09
    • 7761

    #2
    Cards & Cubs.. Very overrated.
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    • Grind-It-Out
      SBR Wise Guy
      • 05-04-10
      • 537

      #3
      I would agree with Sawyer that the Cubbies are the most overrated (at least in terms of lines). The Cards may be in second in that category.
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      • Grind-It-Out
        SBR Wise Guy
        • 05-04-10
        • 537

        #4
        When you look at your book everyday and see a mediocre team as -180 or more favorites against almost everyone, it can mess with your head. It almost makes you believe that they are good.
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        • dynamite140
          SBR MVP
          • 07-05-08
          • 4958

          #5
          I recall the Cubs when they had Zambrano and Rich Harden and they had -250 lines. I also never understood why Harden got these hard lines because he always has a high pitch count and usually lasts only 5 innings. He walks a ton of players too and this just did not make sense at all.

          However, the Cubs back then had offense. This Cardinals team has no offense whatsoever besides Pujols.
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          • ericthegangster
            SBR MVP
            • 12-10-09
            • 1764

            #6
            cardinals will still win their division
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            • Grind-It-Out
              SBR Wise Guy
              • 05-04-10
              • 537

              #7
              Originally posted by ericthegangster
              cardinals will still win their division
              And that's the basic difference between the Cards and the Cubs. At least the Cards are a good team.
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              • dynamite140
                SBR MVP
                • 07-05-08
                • 4958

                #8
                They will win the division but they are no threat in the postseason. They are the Angels of the NL.
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                • DeluxeLiner
                  SBR MVP
                  • 01-29-08
                  • 4132

                  #9
                  This has to be one of the worst offenses i ever seen in baseball besides the Padres and the Giants but they have good excuses because of their ballparks.
                  Cards ranked 7/16 in the NL for total Runs Scored in 2009. This season they are ranked 11/16.

                  Last year they had the best record in the NL and if I'm not mistaken, they got swept by the Wildcard team.
                  2009--Dodgers (95 wins) beat the Cards (91 wins). Phillies (93 Wins) beat Wildcard Rockies (92 Wins)

                  I just don't understand why this team gets such a high line at home.
                  With a 12-6 home record they have the best home record in the NL this year. They ranked 5/16 NL teams with a 46-35 Home record last year.


                  I am starting to think that the Cards are overrated because everyone thinks they are leagues best quality
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                  • MUHerd37
                    SBR Posting Legend
                    • 10-23-09
                    • 12816

                    #10
                    Cardinals will win their division. They still suck tho. Offense is just dead.
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                    • VegasPlayer
                      SBR MVP
                      • 07-27-09
                      • 3676

                      #11
                      Yea, I hate playin the Cards too. Juice is too high and they never seem to cover the RL. LaRussa is part of the problem too. (Look, I'm cool - my pitcher hits in the 8 hole) He doesn't have the killer instinct to put teams away when he has the chance. Last night, they get a guy on, he gets his ass picked off and next pitch is a HR - 1 run home win. They routinely have a couple guys on with no or 1 out and they just sit there until the inning is over. This works well in the Reg season, but come playoff time when the pitching is a little weary, they get smoked. Also helps when you get to play CHC, HOU, CIN, PIT, & MIL all year too. In the AL, they'd be in the same category as CHW or TOR. A 3rd place team at best.
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                      • midnight777
                        Restricted User
                        • 09-10-09
                        • 504

                        #12
                        they don't hit the ball well.. that is their mo
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                        • apwmel
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 03-26-09
                          • 789

                          #13
                          They are so darn inconsistent. The 3 loses to Houston last week hit a new low.
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                          • Crayzee
                            SBR MVP
                            • 10-27-06
                            • 4945

                            #14
                            think cinci might have something to say in the div before its over
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                            • gryfyn1
                              SBR MVP
                              • 03-30-10
                              • 3285

                              #15
                              The Cards do tend to be over priced, they may not be a dominating team but they will still winb 90 games this year, they will fish at a top 3 team in terms of W/L record in the NL.

                              Even after about two really bad weeks of offenses they still rank 9th in team OPS and 6th in OPS+, but struggle to score runs at 11th in R/G. No one would have even considered this thread two weeks ago when StL was 18-9.

                              The issue, of course, is that any team that is consistently -200 is overvalued, Even the best teams aren't going win 66% of the time.
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                              • balls2wall
                                SBR MVP
                                • 12-20-09
                                • 2642

                                #16
                                Originally posted by midnight777
                                they don't hit the ball well.. that is their mo

                                hey man, why don't you stop by the points forum and pay me some of the points you owe me??


                                everyone needs to keep an eye on this guy


                                don't give him any points until he proves he can pay me off


                                right now I have him labeled as a stiff
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                                • Wilforth
                                  Restricted User
                                  • 05-10-08
                                  • 16309

                                  #17
                                  Because of their good pitching and poor offense, the only value in Cardinals games is the Under.
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                                  • Mr Handicapable
                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                    • 09-23-07
                                    • 6067

                                    #18
                                    Garcia is the real deal for the Cards...just gave up his 1st HR this year! Santana Jr. possibilities? I'm a Reds fan too....don't like the Cards but Carp/Wainwright/Garcia are the best top 3 in the NL! Carp goes down and its a different story? Obviously big holes in the lineup!
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                                    • dynamite140
                                      SBR MVP
                                      • 07-05-08
                                      • 4958

                                      #19
                                      At the moment its 0-0 in the bottom of the 5th inning. This cardinals offense is just pathetic. Once they give up 2 runs, they are most likely going to lose.
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                                      • spippen
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 03-17-09
                                        • 3874

                                        #20
                                        Originally posted by dynamite140
                                        At the moment its 0-0 in the bottom of the 5th inning. This cardinals offense is just pathetic. Once they give up 2 runs, they are most likely going to lose.

                                        Oh ya, FLA bases loaded no outs. If FLA puts up 2 runs this game is over.
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                                        • curious
                                          Restricted User
                                          • 07-20-07
                                          • 9093

                                          #21
                                          If you had faded the Cubs everytime they were a fav larger than -149 you would have made $1170 betting $100 on the dog. The Cubs are 6-11 when a fav more than -149.

                                          The Cardinals are 14-8 -$210 (betting to win $100 on each of these games)

                                          The Yankess are 16-6 +575
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                                          • spippen
                                            SBR MVP
                                            • 03-17-09
                                            • 3874

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by curious
                                            If you had faded the Cubs everytime they were a fav larger than -149 you would have made $1170 betting $100 on the dog. The Cubs are 6-11 when a fav more than -149.

                                            The Cardinals are 14-8 -$210 (betting to win $100 on each of these games)

                                            The Yankess are 16-6 +575
                                            Nice post
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                                            • scratbandit
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 09-07-09
                                              • 548

                                              #23
                                              i have no idea
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                                              • Patrickz0rs
                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                • 03-08-10
                                                • 994

                                                #24
                                                Actually, they had the 4th best record in the NL and got swept by the NL division winner. Quite mistaken. And come on...nobody chokes as much as the Cubs.
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                                                • The General
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 08-10-05
                                                  • 13279

                                                  #25
                                                  Good deal. Under 90 Cards, Under 90!
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                                                  • curious
                                                    Restricted User
                                                    • 07-20-07
                                                    • 9093

                                                    #26
                                                    Teams you would be better to play the total instead of the line

                                                    When these teams are a fav larger than -149 you would be better off to take the UNDER:
                                                    Angels 6-2
                                                    Rays 12-5
                                                    White Sox 5-0
                                                    Cardinals 14-6

                                                    With these teams you would be better off to take the OVER:
                                                    Tigers 4-1
                                                    Rattlers 4-1
                                                    Brewers 6-2
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                                                    • Rixsaw
                                                      SBR MVP
                                                      • 10-23-08
                                                      • 4532

                                                      #27
                                                      good stuff there Curious
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                                                      • Brock Landers
                                                        SBR Aristocracy
                                                        • 06-30-08
                                                        • 45359

                                                        #28
                                                        Mcgwire ruined their offense
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                                                        • stealthyburrito
                                                          SBR Posting Legend
                                                          • 05-12-09
                                                          • 21562

                                                          #29
                                                          Originally posted by The General
                                                          Good deal. Under 90 Cards, Under 90!
                                                          you and me both brotha
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                                                          • JGetz
                                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                                            • 04-19-10
                                                            • 752

                                                            #30
                                                            You're a ****in joke. Who's not overrated when a team loses at a -200 line in baseball. They play 162 games, get out of here...you're stating the obvious you doucher. Cards are the best team in the NL Central, they'll win 80+ games again, and go to playoffs. You expect them to win everytime you bet on them at -200? That's absurd. It's still May, it's early in the year, get a ****in life. This thread is ridiculous. They're starting pitching is outstanding(even Lohse now), for you to say their offense is horrible is atrocious. They have Holliday and Pujols. What more do you want? They haven't even started hitting homers yet, and you want to rag on em'. You seriously need to stop betting and leave this site immediately. There's no room for pathetic whiny babies like you on here. Can't wait till you post another thread that is as helpful and chocked full of insight for the supporters of the forum as this one.
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                                                            • krk1030
                                                              SBR Posting Legend
                                                              • 08-13-08
                                                              • 17610

                                                              #31
                                                              cubs
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                                                              • JGetz
                                                                SBR Wise Guy
                                                                • 04-19-10
                                                                • 752

                                                                #32
                                                                Originally posted by JGetz
                                                                You're a ****in joke. Who's not overrated when a team loses at a -200 line in baseball. They play 162 games, get out of here...you're stating the obvious you doucher. Cards are the best team in the NL Central, they'll win 80+ games again, and go to playoffs. You expect them to win everytime you bet on them at -200? That's absurd. It's still May, it's early in the year, get a ****in life. This thread is ridiculous. They're starting pitching is outstanding(even Lohse now), for you to say their offense is horrible is atrocious. They have Holliday and Pujols. What more do you want? They haven't even started hitting homers yet, and you want to rag on em'. You seriously need to stop betting and leave this site immediately. There's no room for pathetic whiny babies like you on here. Can't wait till you post another thread that is as helpful and chocked full of insight for the supporters of the forum as this one.
                                                                ...Also, I wanted to add that Hanley Ramirez was almost scratched from the lineup and Jaime(High-Me) Garcia is a stud, reasons that come into account for an inflated line. That is all. Douche
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                                                                • WeinketoWarrick
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 05-30-09
                                                                  • 1698

                                                                  #33
                                                                  Entire NL Central is terrible
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                                                                  • Kav
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 02-25-09
                                                                    • 3281

                                                                    #34
                                                                    bet the under on the cardinals team total everyday and you will be rich!
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                                                                    • Eagle1958
                                                                      SBR Wise Guy
                                                                      • 01-23-10
                                                                      • 577

                                                                      #35
                                                                      The National League is very messed up this year. The Reds and Padres will win their divisions and the Nationals will be the wild card team.
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