Cincy has a better bullpen, neither starter going far in this hitfest. BOL LT
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DrunkHorseplayer
SBR Hall of Famer
05-15-10
7719
#8
Originally posted by dirtycash66
Cant put hard earned dollars on a 3-15 team.
No such thing as a bad team, only a bad number.
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Rich Boy
SBR Hall of Famer
02-01-09
9714
#9
Originally posted by DrunkHorseplayer
No such thing as a bad team, only a bad number.
Sharp post
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dirtycash66
SBR MVP
04-13-12
2958
#10
Originally posted by DrunkHorseplayer
No such thing as a bad team, only a bad number.
WTF does that even mean? A team that has lost 15 out of 18 games is a bad team...period. Please drunkHorse, lets not overcomplicate this.
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Easy-Rider 66
BARRELED IN @ SBR!
02-14-12
36100
#11
Originally posted by dirtycash66
WTF does that even mean? A team that has lost 15 out of 18 games is a bad team...period. Please drunkHorse, lets not overcomplicate this.
yeah you wager on bad teams you get shit on your hands. But every now and then those bad teams cover the number or win. Trust the Process?
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Rich Boy
SBR Hall of Famer
02-01-09
9714
#12
Cincinatti is a bad team, yes. But there is a price that makes them a good bet.
You wouldnt take Cincy ML +400?
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dirtycash66
SBR MVP
04-13-12
2958
#13
Originally posted by Rich Boy
Cincinatti is a bad team, yes. But there is a price that makes them a good bet.
You wouldnt take Cincy ML +400?
I'll Probably take it , but when was the last time you saw a +400 dog in MLB
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BOA12
SBR Posting Legend
02-19-12
20622
#14
Originally posted by dirtycash66
i'll probably take it , but when was the last time you saw a +400 dog in mlb
1927 nyy opponents.
Last edited by BOA12; 04-28-22, 11:40 AM.
Reason: opponnents
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Rich Boy
SBR Hall of Famer
02-01-09
9714
#15
Im just trying to make a point, that there is a price where a bad team is worth betting
LT has identified that with his models and I have faith in that, so im tailing
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LT Profits
SBR Aristocracy
10-27-06
90963
#16
1 MLB Pick Addition
3 MLB Plays Thursday
Reds -108
Marlins / Nationals UNDER 8 -103 Red Sox +125
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LT Profits
SBR Aristocracy
10-27-06
90963
#17
Reds are NOT a 3-15 team, they have underperformed so far. Not saying they are great, but not as bad as their record.
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44 Mag
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10-14-13
34490
#18
Originally posted by LT Profits
Reds are NOT a 3-15 team, they have underperformed so far. Not saying they are great, but not as bad as their record.
Parcells: "You are what your record says you are"...
BOL Boss.
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Rich Boy
SBR Hall of Famer
02-01-09
9714
#19
Just a small sample outlier, no MLB team wins at 16%
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takethepnts
SBR Wise Guy
10-18-13
585
#20
Originally posted by Rich Boy
Just a small sample outlier, no MLB team wins at 16%
Very good point 👉
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EdV38
SBR Sharp
04-04-09
266
#21
Brandon Drury is the Reds #2 hitter. The Reds are not a good team. I guess today they have him batting 6th so that's a slight improvement. All the cappers I respect on various forums are on the Reds today and I don't know why. They love Mahle I guess but that's already baked into the number. The offense has looked a bit less atrocious the last couple of games but that's kind of easy when you're already down a bunch. If it was +150 I'd say sure go ahead but it's even money.
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KVB
SBR Aristocracy
05-29-14
74817
#22
Everyone on the Reds today.
Shit.
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KVB
SBR Aristocracy
05-29-14
74817
#23
Originally posted by EdV38
...All the cappers I respect on various forums are on the Reds today and I don't know why. They love Mahle I guess but that's already baked into the number. The offense has looked a bit less atrocious the last couple of games but that's kind of easy when you're already down a bunch. If it was +150 I'd say sure go ahead but it's even money.
I actually have some forecasts with Cinci winning today.
But you're right, a lot of cappers around these parts like Cinci too.
Interesting. They are still a contrarian play for me and I get what you're saying about price, but even money still seems like a decent pull.
Might look for Cinci to take the lead than possibly sell some back.
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Gamblinglover
SBR High Roller
03-08-22
172
#24
Originally posted by Rich Boy
Im just trying to make a point, that there is a price where a bad team is worth betting
LT has identified that with his models and I have faith in that, so im tailing
So how's that work? He puts the stats and numbers into a program and the program says the line should be -125 and the bookie has -105 so you bet?
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KVB
SBR Aristocracy
05-29-14
74817
#25
Originally posted by Gamblinglover
So how's that work? He puts the stats and numbers into a program and the program says the line should be -125 and the bookie has -105 so you bet?
Basically, in a nut shell.
lol
That's how value is sought in the market. Create a no vig line that is better than the market can hang, and bet when you are off market.
Basically.
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Rich Boy
SBR Hall of Famer
02-01-09
9714
#26
Originally posted by Gamblinglover
So how's that work? He puts the stats and numbers into a program and the program says the line should be -125 and the bookie has -105 so you bet?
Conviction that your estimate is more accurate than the bookmakers is critical also. LT has years of experience and backtesting models, that results in edge.
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Gamblinglover
SBR High Roller
03-08-22
172
#27
Originally posted by Rich Boy
Conviction that your estimate is more accurate than the bookmakers is critical also. LT has years of experience and backtesting models, that results in edge.
Right so your basically betting that your model/program is more accurate than the computer the bookmakers are using?
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KVB
SBR Aristocracy
05-29-14
74817
#28
Originally posted by Gamblinglover
Right so your basically betting that your model/program is more accurate than the computer the bookmakers are using?
Depends on how you view the market.
It might be better to say that one's betting that their model is more accurate than the market opinion, as set by the bettors.
The market can fluctuate and it can dip into and out of your trigger price.
Different markets carry different opinions because they cater to different bettors.
If the books had a computer that was "sharp" and set the "real" line then they might sideline a large portion of the bettors who agree with the book and could miss out on a lot of action.
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LT Profits
SBR Aristocracy
10-27-06
90963
#29
Originally posted by 44 Mag
Parcells: "You are what your record says you are"...
BOL Boss.
Only close to true at end of the year. LOTS of variance along the way in a 162-game season.
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LT Profits
SBR Aristocracy
10-27-06
90963
#30
Originally posted by Gamblinglover
So how's that work? He puts the stats and numbers into a program and the program says the line should be -125 and the bookie has -105 so you bet?
More or less yes. BUT the most important part is which stats you use.
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Gamblinglover
SBR High Roller
03-08-22
172
#31
Originally posted by LT Profits
More or less yes. BUT the most important part is which stats you use.
Is this how most of the pros do it as well? I remember listening to Alan boston saying there are no "real" handicappers left just all computer programmers.
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JayLA
SBR Hall of Famer
09-11-12
7806
#32
Originally posted by Gamblinglover
Is this how most of the pros do it as well? I remember listening to Alan boston saying there are no "real" handicappers left just all computer programmers.
I think "real handicappers" used calculators and math "back in the days", computers just make things easier
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LT Profits
SBR Aristocracy
10-27-06
90963
#33
Originally posted by Gamblinglover
Is this how most of the pros do it as well? I remember listening to Alan boston saying there are no "real" handicappers left just all computer programmers.
Well while the ease of producing modeled forecasts with a few buttons is certainly truer than ever, there is still handicapping involved in knowing what to do with those results. I do not play ALL edges model shows, knowing which to choose and which to ignore = handicapping, Those that simply play all edges with no further research are the programmers Boston was referring to.
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stevex
SBR Hall of Famer
05-02-10
5122
#34
Talk about a day for chalk so far in baseball.
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KVB
SBR Aristocracy
05-29-14
74817
#35
Originally posted by LT Profits
Well while the ease of producing modeled forecasts with a few buttons is certainly truer than ever, there is still handicapping involved in knowing what to do with those results. I do not play ALL edges model shows, knowing which to choose and which to ignore = handicapping, Those that simply play all edges with no further research are the programmers Boston was referring to.
Not just what to do with those results.
Building the inputs, the relevant weightings of the relevant correlations is handicapping. It's the very essence of handicapping. It can be derived in all numbers, but those who did definitely handicapped the sport.