SIS (sports investor strategies) talk

Tonyca · 08-31-12, 12:01 AM

Beware of SIS money back guarantee. They won't pay you and avoid all contacts

I have been scamed by SIS!!!!!!!!

Tonyca · 08-31-12, 12:02 AM

Email me with if you want documentation proof it is a misleading statement on their website.

cmaulsby · 08-31-12, 09:17 AM

They're soccer picks are decent but streaky. MLB, forget it. They were getting killed picking winners and then switched to solely over/unders in June. Those are barely 50%. Last years NHL and NFL were very good. Their customer service is non-existent as they rarely reply to service issues or complaints. I have to ask nearly daily for soccer picks afetr I paid for a years sub.

Tonyca · 09-01-12, 12:38 AM

Warning!!!!! Stay away from SIS(SportInvestingStrategy)

Do not subscribed to this service. The results were terrible. They only post winning streaks and conveniently forget about their losing streak thus a misleading ad on their website. You have been warned!

donkson · 09-01-12, 07:26 AM

who'd have thought?

HUY · 09-01-12, 10:26 AM

My hopes smashed.

Sherlock2011 · 09-02-12, 09:36 AM

They are actually making picks on all NFL games. Proud of it, too.

Tonyca · 09-02-12, 05:04 PM

100% agreed with cmaulcby. Their MLB strategy sucks! They threatened me after I want my money back (part of their money back guaranteed). Will be reporting them to BBB.STAY AWAY FROM SIS! Scam artist at work.

Tonyca · 09-02-12, 05:10 PM

BTW- they won't return my money and cancel my subscription. Spread the news that Sport investing Stategy is a scam!!!!!

Tonyca · 09-02-12, 05:16 PM

Originally posted by HUY

My hopes smashed.

Save you $$$$$. SIS should stand for "Scamming Investors in Sportsbetting"

tenis · 09-03-12, 02:39 AM

It is this place? soccerbettingmasters.com , thanks

petermans23 · 09-03-12, 03:27 AM

Yes tenis that´s their soccer betting membership service.

I was a full meber for a year july 2010-2011 and their hockey nhl and basketball nba and collagebasketball were a disaster. Almost lost my entire bank since they recommended betting 5% of your betting bank. MLB was also quite bad, hitting like 40%. Their soccer was the only service that went plus minus zero.

They claim to have much higher winnings than they have. And James Dodson one of the respnisble for the picks is really an a....le if you know what I mean. The other person is Frank Belanger who is onvolved in all sorts of other crap system, one is called Sportsbetting Solution, claiming 75% wiining picks when in reality they hit like betseen 30-40 %, I know because I was stuid enough to sign up with them 2010. And he is also the person behind the TNT football betting system that claimed to have made $256.000 in one year with a $500 bank.

Well I tried that one also for a year november 2010-november 2011. And my $1000 bank at the start was $230 after a year. Only giving out pcks with odds around 1.50-1.55 in soccer games.

As someone just said here earlier about SIS and James Dodson and Frank Belanger:

STAY AWAY!!!! Unless you enjoy flushing your hard earned money down the drain.

Thanks!

Tonyca · 09-03-12, 11:30 AM

Peterman23- u hit it on the spot with SIS. They are nothing but scammers. I reported them to the BBB. Hopefully more people will do the same and their business will go down the drain.

mikmik · 09-03-12, 11:42 AM

SO GUESS WHAT POST THIER PLAYS AND LETS FADE FADE FADE FADE TO THE BANK!!!!!!!

Smashmouth71 · 09-03-12, 12:09 PM

SO GUESS WHAT POST THIER PLAYS AND LETS FADE FADE FADE FADE TO THE BANK!!!!!!!

BOOYA!

Nothing like a 40% capper, or system that a good FADE thread won't cure $$$$!

Tonyca · 09-03-12, 10:10 PM

SIS is a big SCAM! Be warned!!!!!

mikmik · 09-03-12, 10:43 PM

Are you still getting plays??? If you are release them so we all can fade.

Tonyca · 09-03-12, 11:30 PM

Originally posted by mikmik

Are you still getting plays??? If you are release them so we all can fade.

Nope. They stop sending me plays and still no refund. James D. Is a total scam artist. Check out his profile and you realize he is not a honest man. He has no education claimed in his profile.Heard he uses a coin toss for his picks. He oes not know the difference between sports and his kids. Total scam!!!!

cmaulsby · 09-04-12, 12:27 PM

I was requested to share this with the SBR community regarding SIS' service:

Your claim about our soccer service on public forum is false.
Wanna ticket to be banned from our service??
You just bought one!
Post that!

At least I finally received a personal response from their customer service rather than a forwarded e-mail.

Mrscofield25 · 09-04-12, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by cmaulsby

I was requested to share this with the SBR community regarding SIS' service:

Your claim about our soccer service on public forum is false.
Wanna ticket to be banned from our service??
You just bought one!
Post that!

At least I finally received a personal response from their customer service rather than a forwarded e-mail.

Don't take it personal. That is just how they speak. They are so flippant when they get some criticism. I bought their Soccer Summer Special last year with asian handicap picks. They were terrible. I never bet any of them I just kept record. Unfortunately I have deleted that excel sheet. They are not worth a penny!!!

Smashmouth71 · 09-04-12, 01:03 PM

I was requested to share this with the SBR community regarding SIS' service:

Your claim about our soccer service on public forum is false.
Wanna ticket to be banned from our service??
You just bought one!
Post that!

At least I finally received a personal response from their customer service rather than a forwarded e-mail.

haha at least you got a response, but one thing gets me...if you're saying the service is sheeet, why do they think "banning" you is going to make you go "O I just fked myself"!?

Another thing how do they know you would subscribe to it??

Only if you use the same handles. but otherwise they wouldn't know it was you.

Crimson2002 · 09-04-12, 02:04 PM

You all need to contact Click Bank to get your money back & complain about the fraud of this phony handicapping service. That is how I got my money back. Good Luck..

petermans23 · 09-04-12, 05:16 PM

Just avoid them like a deadly disease.

I know because I lost so much money signing up and betting their picks. But that was my misstake.

They also only send out emails and publish results on their webside when they have had a couple of winning games. They never publish anything during their long losing streaks. Never. They are really honest guys.

And I must say that this James Dodson who I think release most of their picks and has the title President of the company is the unnicest person I think I have ever had to with. I honestly belive he is mentally retarded.

This SIS Group, used to be called Plus Line Sport before, is nothing but a BIG BIG SCAM SERVICE!

And this other guy Frank Belanger sends out newsletter on regular basis claiming 240 units profit yearly on their soccer betting service. I´ve managed to get all their picks from 1st of march 2012-1st of september 2012 and they managed to go plus minus zero during this six month period. They also claim odds 2.10-2.30 on their selected games for the day on over/under 2.5 goals where you can get odds from 1.80-1.95 if you are lucky and that is just minutes after they have send out their picks and you have logged in to the bookmakers they are claiming to get this fantasyodds with.

And soccer is their best sport.

Their yearly results with hockey, basketball, baseball, american football, collage football have truly been a disaster year after year, but they hide very effectively in their ads and spreadsheet.

I would say that they are close to criminals marketing a product that don´t come close to living up to it´s promises.

But it is difficult to get to these kind of guys and services and shut them down. But they should be charged for FRAUD, because that is their buissness. They are more or less deciving people and taking their money.

ALL THEIR SPREADSHEETS ARE NOTHING BUT A BIG FAKE! MANY OF THEIR WINNING PICKS IN THE SPREADSHEET THEY NEVER SEND OUT TO THEIR CUSTOMERS AND MANY OF THEIR LOSING PICKS THAT THEY DID SEND OUT ARE NOT PUBLISHED IN THE SPREADSHEET.

So how many of you SBR members think we should vote for these guys in the next president election?

natethagreat · 09-04-12, 07:50 PM

So interesting.

I watch the posts about this.

So, I guess I am the only one making money there? I doubt it s-e-r-i-o-u--s-l-y?

Seems like some folks representing other services are getting a little kickback for posting negatively about the service hum?

As far as the spreadsheet comment....I sent in a request for a game to be reviewed, which it was, and I see it listed in the results file(termed as request). The requests, as it was explained to me, only go to those that request them. Seems sensible enough to me. By the way, it was a loss and noted as such in the sheet. Just like everything else in sports betting..some win and some lose.

Found an interesting article about them in another forum...perhaps worth a read here:

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Opinions vary.

Working for me so far....

I will be the judge for myself rather than people that post in public places with no accountability.

I was enticed by another sports service months ago to post negative comments about a competitor into public forums, and in exchange I would receive a discount on future services.

This industry is full of crap like that.

That's how it is.....HOW IT REALLY IS.

How do I know this? Because I have worked as a moderator for a forum years ago.

Typically losers that have not stayed the course with a service will post negatively in forums, as will those that have been enticed with rewards for doing so.

People pay for service, fail to follow it from beginning to end, then blame the sports service.

Most forum participants wont post picks from sports services with the service name attached to it when they are winning, or great picks that they have paid for because they don't want many others to follow...in fear that if too many follow and win, that the sports book will restrict them in some way... of course, unless they are promised rewards for posting positive picks and attaching a service name to them.

***MANY SPORTS SERVICES PAY THEIR MEMBERS TO POST NEGATIVE COMMENTS ABOUT THEIR COMPETITORS***

For this reason...believe nothing you read in a forum venue where there is no accountability.

Trust only what you experience for yourself.

Many "verification services" are paid and endorsed by sports services. Many will allow only one or two positive posts about services that are not part of the sports services that have not joined with them. They also offer rewards and bonuses to post negatively about other services that have not joined with them.

If you are looking for good sports service, you should look for some of these qualities:

1. Send an email to them...how fast is it answered by the service? This shows the true "pulse" of the service and whether or not they care and are engaged with their customers. A good service stays in touch through fast email response. I never join a service if I cant get an email reply within 8 hours. Unfortunately not many will reply to you this fast, if ever. One thing to remember when sending emails to a sports service(or any other service)... if you send crap in - you will likely get crap back in return. Be courteous and you should get a courteous reply. If you send an email with a negative tone such as "hey, all sports services are a scam, why are you different"?...what do you think you are going to get as a reply? People will reply to you generally with the same tone as what you displayed within your email. You should not expect anything less than an email reply with the same general tone.

2. Refund guarantee. Do they have one? Will they discus it with you openly? The genuine services are not hesitant to discuss this openly. I never join a service unless I can get answers regarding refund policy.

Forum info is great for entertainment, but that's just what it is...entertainment, and nothing more.

lawalahmed · 09-04-12, 08:15 PM

Everything they said about this guys is true...

I'm a good capper today just because of bad service from this guys...
I used their service btw August 2010 till July 2011..
If you love your money just stay away from these guy...

cmaulsby · 09-04-12, 08:41 PM

I signed up for their soccer package last September and the results spoke for themselves - hitting about 705 winners. So I signed up for a yearly sub from all 4 sports (They even gave me a discounted rate minus the soccer sub.) Football was good, hockey was good, basketball so-so. MLB started out strong but then they hit a rough patch and switched to picking over/unders. They were streaky with that, as are all other sevices. I didnt notice any discrepancies between their spreadsheets they publish and the picks they send out.

My problem with them is their complete inability to answer an e-mail regarding the delivery of their picks. August 4, 2012 I received my daily e-mail from them. 8/5 nothing. 8/6 nothing. Sent an e-mail asking if problem on my end or theirs and the only response was a forward of picks from 8/7. A couple of more e-mails to them and no response other than forwarding of daily picks. The only actual attempt at communication was the e-mail I received this afternoon telling me I'm a very bad man and to post my sins, which I did.

SIS Group sportsinvestingstrategies@gmail.com

12:22 PM (8 hours ago)

to me

Your claim about our soccer service on public forum is false.
Wanna ticket to be banned from our service??
You just bought one!
Post that!

Long and short of it is, their soccer picks are valid, other sports leave much to be desired, and I saved myself the $600 renewal fee for annual membership. I'll probably wind up sending a few hundred dollars to Roxxyfish for posting his soccer picks on this forum since I've made considerably more following him than I did with SIS.

petermans23 · 09-05-12, 07:56 AM

natethagreat,

I was a full member with the SIS Group (at the time they called themselves Plus Line Sports) from 31st of july 2010-1st of september 2011. I have all their picks saved. The results from basketball, hockey and american football were very bad. The result from baseball was a little better but on minus. The only service which went plus minus zero were their soccer.

If you are making money with them I congratulate you.

I also received as I said earlier their soccer tips from 1st of march 2012 - 1st of september 2012. Resulting in plus minus zero. They had better results in august but you can´t get the odds on sportsbook that they claim they get and post next to the picks they send out. If they claim as an example Liverpool-Arsenal lets say over 2.5 goals with odds of 2.30 you are not going to get that kind of odds with any sportsbook, if they claim you get that odds with pinnacle and I open my email from them minutes after they send it and right after log in to Pinnacle I will find the same pick with an odds of 1.95, in best case 2.00 but that is 0.3-0.35 difference in odds which in the long run makes a huge difference, don´t you agree?

They same thing when I was a full time member with them for 13 months, most of the picks I received had false odds.

And most of the soccer bets I got during autumn 2010 is not included in the soccer spreadsheet from that time. They were only giving out Under 2.5 Goals during that time with odds of around 1.60-1.65 and as I said before I have them all still saved. But when you check out their spreadsheet the same timeschedule they have left most of these picks out and instead written in asian handicap picks with odds of 2.00 and above which they never did send out.

I am not making this up. This is the reality I expreienced.

Why I told my story on this forum is just because I hate dishonest people who try to cheat other people on their money.

And the hard truth is that lost about $15000 betting their picks. And for that I take full responisibility. That was my own decision and my own stupidity for believing in them and their picks.

But when I see that they are manipulating with earlier results and only giving out information when they have had a couple of winning picks and never update their homepage when they have had losing results, then I think that that clearly is a sign of not being an honest sportsbetting membership service and then I react.

The money I lost with them is not coming back. I just have to learn my lesson from that and move on. However if I followed every single pick they gave out during this time and I lost big and they claim to have made big profits for the same time than of course I must be able to react. Wouldn´t you?

Now I have stated my opinion and my experience with them.

If you have been with them as long time as I have then obviously one of us is telling lies. I think time will show. Don´t you?

Mrscofield25 · 09-05-12, 09:02 AM

I don't know if I'm allowed to link this from an older post with them. It's a closed thread. Mods please delete it if I'm not allowed to link it.

http://forum.sbrforum.com/service-plays/918904-pluslinesports-big-warning.html

petermans23 · 09-05-12, 09:43 AM

natethagreat,

Did you check out the thread that Mrscofield25 just linked to?

We would all very much like to hear your comment on that.

Tonyca · 09-05-12, 12:27 PM

Peterman23- I believe your claim 100%. Fortunately, I didn't lose 15k. Not even close. What I am disappointed is that they are dishonest people. Making claims only on positive news. I save all their picks via their Emails as documentation that their baseball picks are nothing short of terrible. Yet, when hey switched from picking teams to picking overs/unders hey still broke even. These guys are scam artist looking for the next sucker(s). My dog could probably do a better job picking games than SIS (Scamming Investrors in Sportbetting not Sport Investing Strategies)..... I am spreading the news in all forums to sty away fom these scam artist.

petermans23 · 09-05-12, 03:46 PM

Tonyca,

Couldn´t agree with you more.

Nice to hear that you didn´t lose that much money.

I really liked Scamming Investrors in Sportbetting!

Lets just hope we haven´t offended natethagreat, because he is making a full time living now betting Scamming Investors in Sportsbetting honest and profitable picks. And we don´t want to take that away from him, do we?

natethagreat · 09-05-12, 04:31 PM

What a Joke.

I simply posted what my experience has been since I have been with this service. I have been posting on this forum for a little while..not a long time, but a little while..trying to chime in occasionally on issues, about a year and a half I guess. Never a problem. Now my integrity is in question?

That's just sad.

All I did is share my experiences I have had with this outfit. Ive made about 1,300 bucks over I guess about 3 weeks or so. Its about 45 games I think. Am I happy with it? Sure!

My experience with this company is for SOCCER. I never said anything about any other sport. I don't follow other sports..I follow soccer.

It's really a shame that a person cannot join a forum and have a reasonable discussion about their experience without being called out, criticized, and have other posters make shitty remarks about their comments.

Do you see me calling out posters and questioning their integrity? No. Do you see me being disrespectful to the other posters by discrediting their information? No.

Ive done nothing but share my experience since I have been there. I find it remarkably odd that over the same time I have been there, I seem to be the only one with a winning result. Odd. Don't see me calling everyone else a liar do you?

I expect the same courtesy.

Makes me wonder if there really is something to the post I shared earlier (#25) really has merit.

I wanted to be a member of this forum for some time to come, and feel like part of a group.

If this is what being a forum member on this "elite" forum is like.. No thanks!

petermans23 · 09-06-12, 01:23 AM

Sorry if I have offended you natethagreat,

And of course you are entitled to your opinion. If you felt that I questioned your integrity I appologize.

However since so many people including myself have had years of bad experiences with The SIS Group and we are so many who have felt cheated and conned by this two guys James Dodson and Frank Belganger, perhaps you should wait until you´ve been with them for six month or a year to start defending them.

Because I believe that you don´t believe that we all have just made our negative storys up. And I don´t believe that you believe that we are a group of people who takes great pleasure in conspiring against The SIS Group because we are so jealous of their huge success and after we have signed up with them we have used all their picks to fade them and therefore lost big and that´s why we feel scammed by them.

In the case of their soccer games which is the sport in which they lose the least they were minus 5 units with their selections from 1st of march 2012-1st of august 2012. Since 1st of august 2012 up until now they have had their best soccer selections run in a very very long time. And for your sake lets hope it continues.

But you will have to wait and see and I urge to take a look in the long run of how they update their spreadsheet. If you will not come to the same conclusion as I did and many more with me on this forum, I would be quite surprised.

And also just a last thing, if you yourself joke about other people here on this forum in a respectless matter saying "Seems like some folks representing other services are getting a little kickback for posting negatively about the service hum?"

Then you must be able to take that people answer you back with the same kind of tone. Or what do you expect? The royal treatment?

No hard feelings thogh.

I wish you good luck and please let us all know how you are doing with The SIS Group and your selections six months from now.

natethagreat · 09-06-12, 07:20 AM

The "respectless tone" was due to the negativity toward my post coming from different angles. If you read back through all of the threads I have posted on sbr I don't think you will see a common negative theme to my posts.

I get jumped on...I jump back. I don't start trouble, but don't accept it either when I have done nothing wrong. I'm sure you can understand.

P.S. I don't feel as though I am defending anyone, simply stating that my result seems to be very different. If I was losing I would say so, if I win I say so. I don't have favorites...just speaking what I experience.