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  • RickySteve
    Restricted User
    • 01-31-06
    • 3415

    #1
    Book Cancels Bet Day After
    A player bets TEX -125 at Book XYZ after market moves to -160/+150. TEX wins. The next afternoon, book cancels wager citing bad line.

    Is book in the right?
  • chance
    SBR Wise Guy
    • 06-16-08
    • 682

    #2
    No. They are very slow at moving lines and very slow at "fixing" mistakes.
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    • zebras99
      SBR Sharp
      • 07-21-10
      • 392

      #3
      which bookie was it?
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      • Monte
        SBR MVP
        • 08-21-10
        • 2056

        #4
        free-rolled, why do you ask?
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        • sharpcat
          Restricted User
          • 12-19-09
          • 4516

          #5
          Can't cancel a wager after the event has been played, especially when the line was clearly not an error it was a stale line.
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          • isetcap
            SBR MVP
            • 12-16-05
            • 4006

            #6
            My opinion on past-posting is that the book must always pay (when the line was listed it was a valid price). After the book pays, it has every right to choke the player out but the best books will write it off and strive to avoid these situations in the future. If I ran a book, I would not want the betting community to know that I was cancelling past-post bets the day after the result was in.
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            • BranchDavidian
              SBR MVP
              • 08-29-10
              • 1014

              #7
              Isn't a past-posted bet one that was bet after the game started? That would be different than a book caught with stale lines.
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              • ehp6737
                SBR MVP
                • 12-11-08
                • 4185

                #8
                Originally posted by isetcap
                My opinion on past-posting is that the book must always pay (when the line was listed it was a valid price). After the book pays, it has every right to choke the player out but the best books will write it off and strive to avoid these situations in the future. If I ran a book, I would not want the betting community to know that I was cancelling past-post bets the day after the result was in.

                Why are you talking about "past posted" bets? This thread has nothing to do with past posted bets. It has to do with a book not adjusting their lines fast enough
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                • Maniac
                  SBR Wise Guy
                  • 04-12-11
                  • 667

                  #9
                  Sounds very very shady to me, what was the reason they gave you for the voiding - did they just say it was a bad line or did they give another reason ?

                  If it was a bad line by mistake, then they still shouldnt be voiding after the game is complete - if it was actually a correct line at one point, but they failed to react to a large market move (assuming no pitching change) then they shouldnt be voiding at all as is their own fault for not paying attention !
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                  • bigboydan
                    SBR Aristocracy
                    • 08-10-05
                    • 55420

                    #10
                    Originally posted by RickySteve
                    A player bets TEX -125 at Book XYZ after market moves to -160/+150. TEX wins. The next afternoon, book cancels wager citing bad line.

                    Is book in the right?
                    If you wagered on this game at current market prices at the time you placed it then it should stand IMO, Mr.Ricky.
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                    • Justin7
                      SBR Hall of Famer
                      • 07-31-06
                      • 8577

                      #11
                      What was the market price on Texas before the move? Was the market ever around -125?
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                      • RickySteve
                        Restricted User
                        • 01-31-06
                        • 3415

                        #12
                        Given that -125 is proven to be a clerical error, can they make any adjustment 24 hours later? If yes, can they void rather than pay "correct" price?
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                        • Glitch
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 07-08-09
                          • 11795

                          #13
                          freerolled.

                          im sure your book states in their rules that this cancellation was well-within their rights.
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                          • Scorpion
                            SBR Hall of Famer
                            • 09-04-05
                            • 7797

                            #14
                            Was it legends?
                            I had Buffalo +6.5 at Legends week 1, it was deleted from my account when I checked my account after the game, no emails, if you want to delete the wager at least send me a ******* email
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                            • isetcap
                              SBR MVP
                              • 12-16-05
                              • 4006

                              #15
                              Originally posted by ehp6737
                              Why are you talking about "past posted" bets? This thread has nothing to do with past posted bets. It has to do with a book not adjusting their lines fast enough
                              My apologies. I visualized this as being a live situation based on his description. From my own experience I have seen action take place in-game where one site does not adjust the line to the action. I classify that as past-posting but I can see where he might be describing something else.

                              Either way, isn't a past-posting situation one where the book does not adjust their lines fast enough? Would not the same logic apply? If -125 was a valid price prior to the market movement, then the book should honor the bet. If it was a pricing error to begin with then they are within their rights to cancel the bet prior to the start of action. If they wait until after the completion of the event then their business ethics should be considered questionable at best, unless of course the decision is in the player's favor.
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                              • djefferis
                                SBR MVP
                                • 08-16-08
                                • 1197

                                #16
                                Why the reason for the price jump?

                                Pitching change? Then listed-totals-run line are no action, straight action at adjusted price

                                Slow linesman is book error, pay and warn the player.
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                                • Glitch
                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                  • 07-08-09
                                  • 11795

                                  #17
                                  they (presumably) accidentally put a price that was lower than they meant to/ than was everywhere else. they let him play it, watched it win then canceled it.
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                                  • wrongturn
                                    SBR MVP
                                    • 06-06-06
                                    • 2228

                                    #18
                                    Here are the choices book can take, ranging from the best to the worst:

                                    1) Let bet stand and pay at booked price
                                    2) Cancel bet and notify player ASAP before game starts
                                    3) Find out error too late but pay at adjusted price
                                    4) Let player choose from void bet or boot
                                    5) Free-roll player
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                                    • HedgeHog
                                      SBR Posting Legend
                                      • 09-11-07
                                      • 10128

                                      #19
                                      Pay the player. Why the secrecy of the Book's name (SBR sponsor?)?
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                                      • Scooter
                                        SBR MVP
                                        • 01-15-07
                                        • 1159

                                        #20
                                        Pay the bettor.
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                                        • RickySteve
                                          Restricted User
                                          • 01-31-06
                                          • 3415

                                          #21
                                          It's a credit book, no reason to post their name.
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                                          • RickySteve
                                            Restricted User
                                            • 01-31-06
                                            • 3415

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by wrongturn
                                            Here are the choices book can take, ranging from the best to the worst:

                                            1) Let bet stand and pay at booked price
                                            2) Cancel bet and notify player ASAP before game starts
                                            3) Find out error too late but pay at adjusted price
                                            4) Let player choose from void bet or boot
                                            5) Free-roll player
                                            Good post, ordering of 3 & 4 is debatable.
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                                            • sharpcircle
                                              SBR Sharp
                                              • 02-05-11
                                              • 308

                                              #23
                                              They should either readjust to correct price after. Or refund money before.

                                              This option is unacceptable
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                                              • Rod_M
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 10-31-09
                                                • 1282

                                                #24
                                                Originally posted by RickySteve
                                                It's a credit book, no reason to post their name.
                                                There's your reason...
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                                                • HedgeHog
                                                  SBR Posting Legend
                                                  • 09-11-07
                                                  • 10128

                                                  #25
                                                  Originally posted by RickySteve
                                                  It's a credit book, no reason to post their name.
                                                  Assuming your efforts to correct this matter are exhausted, and unless you really like this Book (ie plenty of +EV opps), run up a negative balance up to your Texas bet and then say FY.


                                                  I guess there's a little Cory1111 in all of us.
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                                                  • RickySteve
                                                    Restricted User
                                                    • 01-31-06
                                                    • 3415

                                                    #26
                                                    My liaison won't allow such tactics for this particular shop.
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                                                    • bigboydan
                                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                                      • 08-10-05
                                                      • 55420

                                                      #27
                                                      Originally posted by RickySteve
                                                      It's a credit book, no reason to post their name.
                                                      Fair enough and I respect your answer Mr.Ricky.
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                                                      • Frank
                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                        • 10-13-07
                                                        • 918

                                                        #28
                                                        It most likely wasn't noticed by the site and probably manually adjusted a day later by the agent.
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