Betfair $3.1 million slow-pay and other pro player issues (Video)

[Scooter]

Hareeba! = "I don't know how far Justin went into Betfair's defence of their action..."

Are you saying that you did not view Justin's videos (posts # 238 and #239)?

[JohnnyRotten]

Premium charges of 60 percent on account that have won over $250,000 is ridiculous. It is bad enough to hurdle the juice charge, then this tacked on. Betfair is trying to make the whole sportsbook world look bad. Imagine if players no longer want to deposit at any book because of Betfair's behavior.

spot on mate, anyone who defends betfair is just daft,

[excel]

hareebas has a history of defending betfair that spans years, he is obviously affiliated with them.
http://forum.sbrforum.com/search/Hareeba!/9141674-threads.html

[Hareeba!]

Hareeba! = "I don't know how far Justin went into Betfair's defence of their action..."

Are you saying that you did not view Justin's videos (posts # 238 and #239)?

No.
I have seen them before but I just reviewed the first one. The second has been banned from being viewed here.
What Justin failed to mention is that if the player is suspected of breaching certain laws (as opposed to Bertair's rules) they are under an obligation to turn the matter over to the law enforcement authorities and not discuss it. These rules aren't only applicable to Betfair. Every UK book has to comply with them.
Any player has the right, if not able to get satisifaction from a complaint to take the matter to IBAS or a court. I suspect however that most have something to hide and take it no further.

[Scooter]

Hareeba! - "The second [video] has been banned from being viewed here."

Interesting.

Who did the banning?

You can see all of the thread except the post with that video?

How did the banner find out about that specific video?
Was it originally available and then somebody reported it (to the Government?) or Betfair made a complaint about it, and then the Government blocked that specific post?

I realize that websites can be banned by a country - didn't realize a specific post can.

Technically - how do they disable it for the entire country and nowhere else?

Justin7 - Were you aware of that?
Are your Betfair videos banned in the UK as well? Other countries?

Amazing.

[Hareeba!]

Hareeba! - "The second [video] has been banned from being viewed here."

Interesting.

Who did the banning?

You can see all of the thread except the post with that video?

How did the banner find out about that specific video?
Was it originally available and then somebody reported it (to the Government?) or Betfair made a complaint about it, and then the Government blocked that specific post?

I realize that websites can be banned by a country - didn't realize a specific post can.

Technically - how do they disable it for the entire country and nowhere else?

Justin7 - Were you aware of that?
Are your Betfair videos banned in the UK as well? Other countries?

Amazing.

All I know is what it shows when I attempt to view the video:

This content is not available in your country due to a legal complaint.
Sorry about that.

[Santo]

It's a YouTube message, I think Justin had to get it re-instated once by agreeing to stand behind it, but perhaps that legal authority doesn't extend beyond the US.

[Scooter]

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[TheMoneyShot]

This story is absolutely amazing. There is a deeper meaning behind this... Seems like a lot of posters are wanting to play a game of Charades?!?!?

I've noticed that too about Hareeba!... why are you defending Betfair for? You've spent an awful amount of time posting in this thread on a topic in which you should be a spectator and less vocal. This story isn't even about you.

[Monte]

He does that in every thread, he seems like a good guy but gets carried away by commenting everything he doesn't agree with.

[meckis]

Hareeba! works for betfair or he does not have a life and posts nonsense all day long.

[Hareeba!]

Hareeba! works for betfair or he does not have a life and posts nonsense all day long.

idiot !

do you have anything constructive to add to the debate ?

[Hareeba!]

This story is absolutely amazing. There is a deeper meaning behind this... Seems like a lot of posters are wanting to play a game of Charades?!?!?

I've noticed that too about Hareeba!... why are you defending Betfair for? You've spent an awful amount of time posting in this thread on a topic in which you should be a spectator and less vocal. This story isn't even about you.

I'll defend anybody who I believe hasn't been given a fair go in commentary.

Why are you and so many others so quick to condemn without having the full picture behind this story ?

[TheMoneyShot]

Why are you and so many others so quick to condemn without having the full picture behind this story ?

For a serious topic of this nature... you sure know a lot of behind the scenes info about Betfair. I wouldn't say I'm quick to condemn anyone. My point being... it's unusual to stick up for a book the way you are doing it. It's like you're in bed with them.

And how would you know the "true" story Hareeba if you weren't in bed with Betfair in someway? If you are claiming you aren't... then its pure speculation on your part. You aren't in the Betfair locker room... why would we consider your opinions?

Betfair can protect themselves... they don't need your defense... and as far as I'm concerned they seem to be hiding the truth to a lot of questions. I'm pretty sure it will surface in no time...

[shari91]

It's a YouTube message, I think Justin had to get it re-instated once by agreeing to stand behind it, but perhaps that legal authority doesn't extend beyond the US.

Yeah I've seen this msg a few times with various videos on YouTube - sometimes they mention a legal complaint and sometimes they just "sorry this content isn't available in your country". I guess those of us here in Australia (and maybe everyone outside of the US) won't be able to view that video again unless we use a proxy.

[Santo]

It's always worth having devil advocate positions in these disputes, otherwise what you're left with is an extortion attempt. The devil advocate brings out the facts eventually, which can benefit either side.

[Dark Horse]

Criminal behavior by Betfair.

Anty, I don't know the situation in Russia and Europe, but this is a potentially big story that some media may jump on. Contact RT for instance. http://rt.com/on-air/ Just start a media campaign. Betfair wants to keep this all in the shadows. The last thing they want is for the world to find out. (they have already demonstrated this by trying to control Youtube content). See how much momentum the story can gain. If that doesn't work, you can always take the legal route. You have to fight them where it hurts. Cockroaches don't like broad daylight. As long as the story remains hidden they have you where they want you. But you can turn the tables on them. The more public pressure you can put on them, the faster you may see your money. SBR has no power over Betfair. That's because Betfair is more powerful. To get the story out in this way will not help you. You need to use a bigger sword. Send your story to newspapers, etc. I've done this in the past (before the internet), and was surprised how eager they were to publish stuff that wasn't even important. They need stories. And, like it or not, you have a great story.

[Hareeba!]

For a serious topic of this nature... you sure know a lot of behind the scenes info about Betfair. I wouldn't say I'm quick to condemn anyone. My point being... it's unusual to stick up for a book the way you are doing it. It's like you're in bed with them.

I don't know anything "of behind the scences info about Betfair".
Justin and Anty have put one side of the case. You haven't heard what Betfair's position is on this matter but you have been sucked into condenming them.

And how would you know the "true" story Hareeba if you weren't in bed with Betfair in someway? If you are claiming you aren't... then its pure speculation on your part. You aren't in the Betfair locker room... why would we consider your opinions?

Where have I claimed to know the true story?
Nobody here really knows it all, bar perhaps Anty who is hardly independent and seems to be a bit hazy about some very important points.
If you've been reading what I've posted you will see that much of it is asking questions to try and find the truth about the whole thing.
Then we get twerps coming on here to say I work for them! LOL.
Why would I never have heard of Master Accounts if I worked for them and why would I be asking so many questions which surely I'd know the answers to if I did. Obviously this forum is packed with people who like to throw in personal insults and accusations without even having bothered to read what's been posted.
Why would you consider Justin's (or anyone else's opinion) if they aren't in "Betfair's locker room"?
Yes I do a fair deal of business with them and because of that speak to my manager from time to time and discuss some issues and glean some insights but I'm not "in bed with Betfair" in any way.
I, unlike it seems so many, make a habit of reading rules, terms and conditions before getting involved in things.
Recall the story I posted about Betfair's recent Aussie promo? It was a very tempting thing to go for. I saw several people jump at, or about to at the opportunity without having read the fine print which excluded most of them. Poor fool me. I was excluded so didn't myself go for it. And I warned several others of what I'd read and their ineligibility for it! At the end of the day we missed out because despite the ineligibility of probably most who went for it Betfair honoured the deal!
How often on here do you read of people whining because they were "cheated" by a book but in reality they hadn't read the terms and conditions?

Betfair can protect themselves... they don't need your defense... and as far as I'm concerned they seem to be hiding the truth to a lot of questions. I'm pretty sure it will surface in no time...

Maybe that's so where it really matters to them. A US serving forum such as this probably doesn't qualify. And as I've stated before their hands are tied due to privacy and security issues as to what they can say.

[jjgold]

I do not think people are not going to leave betfair over this

How many non master accounts has betfair every not paid?? I say none

[Scooter]

Yeah I've seen this msg a few times with various videos on YouTube - sometimes they mention a legal complaint and sometimes they just "sorry this content isn't available in your country". I guess those of us here in Australia (and maybe everyone outside of the US) won't be able to view that video again unless we use a proxy.

Is Youtube the only place you've seen that message?

[Scooter]

I do not think people are not going to leave betfair over this

How many non master accounts has betfair every not paid?? I say none

I tried using Google's Translator on the above, but even that couldn't figure it out.

[shari91]

Is Youtube the only place you've seen that message?

Yeah, other than sites that upload tv shows and some of those block specific programs so it doesn't stuff up the network's worldwide distribution deals. With YouTube it's normally a case of pending legal action, copyright infringement outside the US or someone has made a complaint as Santo suggested and the person who uploaded the video either didn't get approval to post it outside the US or assumed once it was approved there, it'd be available everywhere. With tv shows and copyright infringement I can understand that although it's annoying; but in cases like this it almost feels like blatant censorship.

[yokspot]

hareeba, noted your response to my post at the top of page 7. Yes, it's a rare old arrangement, but it still looks like these Russian gangsters were acting as a normal iwallet, and the player was in charge of his play account the way the rest of us are.

Yes, that was another unfair post
The players were contravening Betfair's standard terms and conditions

They weren't. No rules were broken in the Happy Hour promo, assuming you disclude they "we won't pay you if you abuse our bonuses" baloney. Betfair just put out an incompetently worded promo and got cleaned out.

At least one player has to date taken legal action against them on the Small Claims track in the UK. Although he was under a gagging order, his carefully-worded feedback made it clear that Betfair had settled his claim, which was for £4000 GBP, before it got to court. This was expected. No way in hell could Betfair stand up in a UK court of law and say "he abused the bonus". The judge would die laughing.

However, that's another topic.

[vitalyo]

Hareeba the expert got pissed at me . Turns out he is the one who hadn't read the whole thing . Hes info is 100% and the rest of us is just shmacks . If you wanna argue with him you might wanna argue instead with the wall .

Here is what Poul Ross of PNL wrote and he has more knowledge and experience then 99% of us . I'll take his knowledge over betfair biased Hareeba .

http://forum.punterslounge.com/f22/betfair-do-not-want-punters-winning-charges-winning-punters-72603/index2.html

Anty, this doesn't need my help, it's a huge case already.

You clearly have the funds to sue the arse off Betfair, so I suggest you do just that. If it takes 2 1/2 years to pay the full amount, then you want interest and compensation on top.

I'd be amazed if their terms and conditions say they are not responsible for paying you funds from your account, as it would be ludicrous.

If the PSP can't pay as it should, then it's Betfair's responsibility to get the money back off them and pay it to you another way.

Nobody is at fault here but Betfair.

GL.

[yokspot]

If the PSP can't pay as it should, then it's Betfair's responsibility to get the money back off them and pay it to you another way.

In a nutshell.

I would still like specifics of how the master account works. I'll have a go:

1) Rather than going to Betfair and clicking on "Neteller", as I would, he goes to a totally different site (hookersandcrack.ru or whatever the PSP site is).

2) He acceses his account on the PSP site, selects a deposit amount and the merchant (Betfair), and clicks "send".

3) Some time later, his money shows up at Betfair.

4) To withdraw, he does the exact same apart from clicking on "withdraw" rather than "deposit" - again, from the PSP site, not Betfair.

He bets at Betfair only, and does not make any financial transactions from the Betfair site.

Is this correct? If not, how exactly does a master account work? Do you have to fund the PSP first, as one does with any ewallet? I note you said you don't play on credit, so I assume you must fund it first.

[vitalyo]

PSP is in agreement with betfair so it doesn't matter if they call them self's "Neteller" "Moneybookers " or "Moneyhookers" they are all obligated to pay players their funds upon request. To me it looks like betfair knows that PSP has gone rouge and any attempt from Betfair to recover the funds will result PSP going belly up . So they tell anty go talk to them in hopes he is dumb enough.
You can't just open up "BBB service " and create 10.000 accounts with betfair and hold enormous amount of money without been in agreement with betfair .
It's not an eazystreet sportsbook

GL.

[Scorpion]

Hareeba! works for betfair or he does not have a life and posts nonsense all day long.

[yokspot]

Betfair with xxxxxx xxxxxxxxx, the PSP manager who's sitting on the remaining $3.1 million:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGgvpn7hkJI

An English version:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR_ePXJrLcs

I've stayed at that hotel where they're talking many times, in fact I'll be there in two weeks.

Betfair and this character are obviously very close. I think this smells pretty bad at this point.

[Scooter]

Justin7 - Are you aware that your video cannot be viewed in Australia?

[durito]

can you please ban hareeba!

[Hareeba!]

can you please ban hareeba!

I see you're running true to form .. personal attacks but never any contribution to a debate

Is there any danger that one day you might post some constructive criticism of my contribution for a change ?

[boondoggle]

can you please ban hareeba!

I fail to understand how hareeba is not on everyone's ignore list. Click settings at top of page, on left side will be "edit ignore list", select and type in his name and it will auto fill. Hit save and then ok...done.

He adds no value at all to 99.9% of threads. A parasite.

This is what his posts will look like after you add him to your ignore list.

This message is hidden because Hareeba! is on your ignore list.

[Hareeba!]

I fail to understand how hareeba is not on everyone's ignore list. Click settings at top of page, on left side will be "edit ignore list", select and type in his name and it will auto fill. Hit save and then ok...done.

He adds no value at all to 99.9% of threads. A parasite.

This is what his posts will look like after you add him to your ignore list.

This message is hidden because Hareeba! is on your ignore list.

so many people on this forum who have nothing useful to say; can't come up with any worthwhile arguments against my posts yet take delight in posting personal attacks - what a pathetic bunch of cowards !

[jjgold]

I think Hareeba knows the betting exchanges better than anyone here

Bottom line is get involved with 3rd party sites especially Russia and you will get fukked

[Santo]

There is still a lot of uncertainty (to me) about how exactly this PSP operated and their link to the 'Master accounts' concept as deployed to shops etc.