Is this legal in the USA?

[illfuuptn]

Find someone in Canada.
Have them make a pinnacle account.
Fund that account via book to book transfers(if you don't totally trust them) or some other way.
Use a vpn to bet on pinnacle on his account.
Agreement is he's paying you 99% of winnings in exchange for your sports betting expertise.


1.) Is it deception in any way since the account is his and you aren't using your name and pretending to be a Canadian citizen?

2.) Possibly more important question: If it is considered illegal, is it even possible to get caught? And, if so, what is the law you would be breaking? Due to your agreement with the player, you are not committing fraud. There are no laws in the US that prohibit the PLAYER from gambling online. The only way I see it is: your are not breaking any laws. You are possibly breaking a rule at pinnacle, but I don't know what rule that would be.

[stikymess]

How would you place bets? I think you would need to hide/mask your IP, I believe they check and it would be a violation wagering within the US.

[illfuuptn]

How would you place bets? I think you would need to hide/mask your IP, I believe they check and it would be a violation wagering within the US.

Find someone in Canada.
Have them make a pinnacle account.
Fund that account via book to book transfers(if you don't totally trust them) or some other way.
Use a vpn to bet on pinnacle on his account.
Agreement is he's paying you 99% of winnings in exchange for your sports betting expertise.


1.) Is it deception in any way since the account is his and you aren't using your name and pretending to be a Canadian citizen?

2.) Possibly more important question: If it is considered illegal, is it even possible to get caught? And, if so, what is the law you would be breaking? Due to your agreement with the player, you are not committing fraud. There are no laws in the US that prohibit the PLAYER from gambling online. The only way I see it is: your are not breaking any laws. You are possibly breaking a rule at pinnacle, but I don't know what rule that would be.

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[jackkkk2009]

You also can use a fake IP at www.Hide-My-IP.com..

[illfuuptn]

^that's what a vpn is afaik

[stikymess]

From Pinnicle website:

Privacy Policy

Committed to protecting your privacy

Pinnacle Sports collects information from our Internet clients at several different points on our Web site. We use this information to improve and maintain our Web site, and to provide our clients with the highest level of service available.
Your privacy is of the utmost importance to Pinnacle. We feel that you have a right to know what information we collect, and how we use it. This statement discloses:


1. What information we gather from our Web site


What information do we gather from our Web site?

Pinnacle Sports collects two types of information when you visit our Web site:
Tracking, or aggregate, data that does not identify you personally, and is automatically collected from every visitor; this includes:

• The time and date of your visit;
• The specific pages which you visit;
• The make and version of the Web browser you are using;
• The brand and version of your computer's operating system;
• The "Referrer" (the Web site and page from which you clicked to get to the Pinnacle Sports site);
• The IP address of the computer you are using.

Any IP software is not full proof since you take also the host IP address (Internet Provider) there are some that bounce and give you a different IP address, so if you are logging in one day it may show Panama, next day, Morocco. Which will send red flags as well.

[illfuuptn]

But wouldn't it be a pretty shitty vpn if it fukked up like that? Isn't that the whole point-to always have the same foreign ip? I'm getting way too into this lol since this day is far into the future. But if that's all they say about it then it's NOT against their rules. They simply say that they gather that information. I'm sure they'd kick you out IF they found out you were in the US but that's only because they reserve the right to kick anyone out for any reason.

[stikymess]

But wouldn't it be a pretty shitty vpn if it fukked up like that? Isn't that the whole point-to always have the same foreign ip? I'm getting way too into this lol since this day is far into the future. But if that's all they say about it then it's NOT against their rules. They simply say that they gather that information. I'm sure they'd kick you out IF they found out you were in the US but that's only because they reserve the right to kick anyone out for any reason.

That's funny, been there as well, i was even looking at overseas mailboxes. This was years and years ago, personal experience, I was attempting to get into some European books.

I think as long as the VPN does what it is supposed to do you should be okay, key is cost? If you are bettting enough to cover that as well. Then the only worry is the person in Canada has to be trustworthy, Imagine him/her cracking open a letter with a 4k check. Having them cash it then getting the cash to you. This is someone you will have to trust.

[Vegas_bond]

How would you place bets? I think you would need to hide/mask your IP, I believe they check and it would be a violation wagering within the US.

He wouldnt place any bets from the US. His friend, from Canada, will do it.

Through Yahoo Messenger, MSN, Facebook, etc, they could have a real time conversation. And decide what to bet on.

[illfuuptn]

^^^Well in reality I would have to be placing the bets otherwise the person in Canada would be sitting at their computer screen all day sometimes and they wouldn't agree to that. I would need a vpn. And I would be placing wagers from inside the us. But I would be placing wagers for them technically(under our agreement.)

[illfuuptn]

I guess my point is that no matter what they do, the US government can never TOTALLY **** us. Those who are determined will always be fine.

[stikymess]

Agree

I guess my point is that no matter what they do, the US government can never TOTALLY **** us. Those who are determined will always be fine.

Agree, just a shame it is coming to this, but where there is the will, there will be a way.

[chilidog]

I guess my point is that no matter what they do, the US government can never TOTALLY **** us. Those who are determined will always be fine.

It's not hard to get setup with a European account as well as moneybookers/neteller. You just have to plan it out pretty well. You can still use your American ID, you just need proof that you 'live' elsewhere. An IP from that country. A utility bill. A rental agreement. A bank account statement. All attainable.

[illfuuptn]

^But if I do that then I'm committing fraud. I want to do this legally. I believe my plan is legal, but probably against pinnacle's rules. But I'd rather get kicked off a site than go to court lol.