JustBet JustDon't

[sharpcat]

If they are still using DGS software basically every book, with the exception of 5 dimes, has the same piss poor odds.

SBR casino Jacks or better VP Payout
Royal Flush- 4000
Straight Flush- 250
4 of a kind- 125
Full House 40
Flush- 30
Straight- 20
3 of a kind- 15
2 pair- 10
Jacks or Better- 5

Return- 0.983927%

JustBet Casino Jacks or Better VP payout
Royal Flush- 2000
Straight Flush- 250
4 of a kind- 100
Full House 35
Flush- 25
Straight- 20
3 of a kind- 15
2 pair- 10
Jacks or Better- 5

Return- .940386%

These payouts are an absolute mugging by JustBet. DGS allows casino operators to adjust payouts and JustBet has adjusted them to levels that the LV Gaming Commission would never allow.

[stevex]

So sharpcat I have an idea....

Don't play there.

[Johnnythunder]

The book sucks....just avoid it

[secretstash]

i think justbet is a solid book. they payout quick and offer nice bonuses up to 100% fp. also their bases lines are fairly tight. anyone who disagrees with this obviously hasnt played there.

-stash

[topgame85]

94% return at justbet? Hell thats 7% or more than they pay out at Hollywood Casino Charles Town. 87% return average on electronic machines. Now that is a mugging.

[Foosball Champ]

Legendz has $500 limits and they are A+ rated book. but they pay fast and have good customer service.

[Cookie Monster]

I played a lot on Justbet, and I in my experience they are a fair out. They are a recreational book, not the place for a pro.

Their business model is simple: They clone pinnacle lines (not bookmaker as someone said... if there is a pinny lean they show it) and juice it up to -110. In baseball they use a dimeline up to +134, which is not too generous but fair enough.

So, they must have low limits if they want to keep cloning pinny lines regardless of how unbalanced the action has been. They may shade slightly a side in a moneyline, even offering 1 cent better than pinny a few times. But on -110 lines it is not easy to shade.

With such low limits and cloned lines they are almost unbeatable. It is no wonder they are a safe out, they assume little risk. The bonuses are usually good, but the rollover is huge.

I hit them mostly with a lucky run, and way before finishing the rollover they contacted me. My limits were reduced even further, but they offered me to cash out immediately without any penalty for the pending rollover. They even accepted my request to withdraw via moneybookers. So, they were more than fair with me.

In short, a safe and fair recreational book. Not much value on the lines offered. Good bonus but large rollovers. Low limits. You can do much worse than that for a recreational gambler. For a pro it is not worth it.

[stikymess]

Thanks for the write-up cat I was just starting to look into this book.

Personally late lines kill it for me, I work odd hours at times and I usual cap my games the night/day before so I need overnight lines. I can't imagine they are later than Bodog, Bodog used to have me sweating wondering if I'm even going to be able to get down on a game.

[secretstash]

94% return at justbet? Hell thats 7% or more than they pay out at Hollywood Casino Charles Town. 87% return average on electronic machines. Now that is a mugging.

or better yet.. sharpcat might be one of the goofs playing at 5dimes with 108%+ payouts and then when he hits he will be stiffed/told he was betting into an unfair line..etc. lol.. wtf is the point.

the house obviously always has an unfair edge in an online casino.. stick to the sportsbook

-stash

[Shark79]

I am done with this book. They promised me 100% FP bonus but after I sent the funds they changed it to 50%. I am done.

BTH - Send me a PM with your account and who offered you the bonus. I will look into this.

[Shark79]

I'll just say it one more time. Cookie Monster layed it out pretty well.

Just Bet is a recreational book - with Good Bonuses - Mobile Website - and fast payouts.

Yes we dont have lines up as fast as many would like, but that's simply how we do things, we might consider this in the future, but as of now this is how we offer our services.

Deposit - Play - Cash Out .. We've been in the industry for over 10yrs using this same concept, no need to change it now.

[goombah]

I tried them out this season for some baseball betting. Took 2 hours for a cashout.

[robmpink]

SBR casino Jacks or better VP Payout
Royal Flush- 4000
Straight Flush- 250
4 of a kind- 125
Full House 40
Flush- 30
Straight- 20
3 of a kind- 15
2 pair- 10
Jacks or Better- 5

Return- 0.983927%

JustBet Casino Jacks or Better VP payout
Royal Flush- 2000
Straight Flush- 250
4 of a kind- 100
Full House 35
Flush- 25
Straight- 20
3 of a kind- 15
2 pair- 10
Jacks or Better- 5

Return- .940386%

These payouts are an absolute mugging by JustBet. DGS allows casino operators to adjust payouts and JustBet has adjusted them to levels that the LV Gaming Commission would never allow.

Sharp, lets exclude SBR casino, which is also DGS. Are the jacks or better games at Betjam, bookmaker and others, excluding 5 dimes, paying higher? All i know is that every let it ride dgs game I see has a payout of 200-1ish for a royal when it should be 1000-1.

[ciscomr23]

just got done signing up with just bet hopefully i get my 100% bonus

[RichardGeorge]

I sent this in an email to management, but gonna post it here too for Shark to see:


Hi

My account is JB20326

This is a long story.... but in the first 3 months of 2010, I made
over $800 in deposits to your site. I lost all of them.... well, one
day after, I tried to sign on and was unable. You guys told me that I
charged back funds, but it was because you guys charged me 3 times for
2 transactions total. MY CC reversed one of the 3 deposits of
$200 because I only deposited twice.

Well, I think that I am entitled to my cash back losses for last year.
At the time of my deposits, I was promised I would get cash back
twice a year. But because of your mishaps, I was not able to get my
cash back freeplay last year!

Well, after being harrassed nonstop for 3 months about this
**********, I finally was able to show proof that you guys charged me
too many times. It was your processors fault, NOT mine. I have over
500 missed calls from JustBet between March and June of this year...
This included calls to my housephone at a house that I no longer even
live at. It caused much disarray in my household because they thought
a bookie was out to call me... when it was always a misundrstanding.

While theres nothing we can do about the last 4 months, I do think
that I am entitled to my freeplay from last year--- at the very least.
Its been very disrespectful and I continually told your clerks and
management that I did NOT **********. I feel this is a valid case to
get my cash back for losses last year.

I will take this to SBR if you guys don't credit the account, as its not right.

Thank you

[underthe total]

Considered safe/rated high why? because they pay SBR for sponsorship and have not had many complaints filed against them? 1) SBR protects all of its sponsors 2) It only makes sense that a book with $500 max wagers is not going to have as many complaints as your books who accept $5,000 max wagers. I should not have given this book a second chance it is going to take forever to meet my rollover with their high juice and low limits. I have yet to find a better price JustBet that I can not beat elsewhere at higher limits.

Really?

because they have low limits doesn't make them less credible

[Shark79]

I sent this in an email to management, but gonna post it here too for Shark to see: Hi My account is JB20326 This is a long story.... but in the first 3 months of 2010, I made over $800 in deposits to your site. I lost all of them.... well, one day after, I tried to sign on and was unable. You guys told me that I charged back funds, but it was because you guys charged me 3 times for 2 transactions total. MY CC reversed one of the 3 deposits of $200 because I only deposited twice. Well, I think that I am entitled to my cash back losses for last year. At the time of my deposits, I was promised I would get cash back twice a year. But because of your mishaps, I was not able to get my cash back freeplay last year! Well, after being harrassed nonstop for 3 months about this **********, I finally was able to show proof that you guys charged me too many times. It was your processors fault, NOT mine. I have over 500 missed calls from JustBet between March and June of this year... This included calls to my housephone at a house that I no longer even live at. It caused much disarray in my household because they thought a bookie was out to call me... when it was always a misundrstanding. While theres nothing we can do about the last 4 months, I do think that I am entitled to my freeplay from last year--- at the very least. Its been very disrespectful and I continually told your clerks and management that I did NOT **********. I feel this is a valid case to get my cash back for losses last year. I will take this to SBR if you guys don't credit the account, as its not right. Thank you

Good Day RG,

I looked into your case and spoke with our collections department about this charge back and it seems that yes, our processor over charged the amount you mentioned.

We simply followed protocol thinking/believing that this was an actual attempt of a charge back to our company.

We apologize for the troubles this might have caused.

I have credited your account with a $100 FP (no stips) for you to play with. You win, you can cash out tomorrow, If you need any more assistance in this matter, feel free to get a hold of me or reach me via CS at our toll free number.

[Legions36]

Good Day RG,

I looked into your case and spoke with our collections department about this charge back and it seems that yes, our processor over charged the amount you mentioned.

We simply followed protocol thinking/believing that this was an actual attempt of a charge back to our company.

We apologize for the troubles this might have caused.

I have credited your account with a $100 FP (no stips) for you to play with. You win, you can cash out tomorrow, If you need any more assistance in this matter, feel free to get a hold of me or reach me via CS at our toll free number.

Way to handle this situation.

[sharpcat]

Really?

because they have low limits doesn't make them less credible

Do you think it is fair for JustBet to compare themselves with books who offers 10x the amount of betting options, 5x max wager amounts, early lines, and has 10x the customer base that JustBet has?

No. I never implied that their low limits made them less credible, I implied that for Shark79 to compare the reputation of his book to others in the industry by JustBets lack of payout complaints is a joke. Their lack of complaints stems from them never taking any risks that may give the player a chance to win.

[Donkwin47]

They're incredibly annoying.. Played there for like 1 month last year and cashed out yet they call me like twice a day, it's disgusting and beyond annoying.

[sharpcat]

Sharp, lets exclude SBR casino, which is also DGS. Are the jacks or better games at Betjam, bookmaker and others, excluding 5 dimes, paying higher? All i know is that every let it ride dgs game I see has a payout of 200-1ish for a royal when it should be 1000-1.

I think it would be a much much shorter list if you just named the casinos who have their payouts set as low as JustBet.

JoB video poker 5 coin royal flush payout:

Bet jamaica- 4000
Bookmaker- 4000

JustBet- 2000

[Shark79]

They're incredibly annoying.. Played there for like 1 month last year and cashed out yet they call me like twice a day, it's disgusting and beyond annoying.

Donk, send me your account ID via PM and I will make sure its removed from our Sales Crew.

[Monte]

Sharky it's good that you are here, but don't you think it should be standard to not annoy players like that without the need for them to get off the list? This is a serious problem for ppl with family etc, i wonder if the books understand that or if they are simply ignorant.

[Shark79]

Sharky it's good that you are here, but don't you think it should be standard to not annoy players like that without the need for them to get off the list? This is a serious problem for ppl with family etc, i wonder if the books understand that or if they are simply ignorant.

I agree, but I am not aware if they request not to be called again, therefore, by asking it through here, I make sure it doesnt occur again.

We do not leave messages on VM if we cannot confirm that the phone is 100% personal. Also if we get family members, we move along without needing to provide name of company.

[Legions36]

They're incredibly annoying.. Played there for like 1 month last year and cashed out yet they call me like twice a day, it's disgusting and beyond annoying.

Hey it may be annoying to u but not to me i like when they call me, they can call me when they want.

[RichardGeorge]

Good Day RG,

I looked into your case and spoke with our collections department about this charge back and it seems that yes, our processor over charged the amount you mentioned.

We simply followed protocol thinking/believing that this was an actual attempt of a charge back to our company.

We apologize for the troubles this might have caused.

I have credited your account with a $100 FP (no stips) for you to play with. You win, you can cash out tomorrow, If you need any more assistance in this matter, feel free to get a hold of me or reach me via CS at our toll free number.

Thanks alot Shark... Really appreciated.

I know Scott was just doing his job, but he caused alot of stress over something that was a fuckup on there end....

[underthe total]

Do you think it is fair for JustBet to compare themselves with books who offers 10x the amount of betting options, 5x max wager amounts, early lines, and has 10x the customer base that JustBet has? No. I never implied that their low limits made them less credible, I implied that for Shark79 to compare the reputation of his book to others in the industry by JustBets lack of payout complaints is a joke. Their lack of complaints stems from them never taking any risks that may give the player a chance to win.

yeah pal wiith this thread your attempts are to hurt them

that is stupid

[Shark79]

Thanks alot Shark... Really appreciated. I know Scott was just doing his job, but he caused alot of stress over something that was a fuckup on there end....

Your welcome RG.

If you need anything else, Im always around.

[CMNoney]

I've defended JustBet in the past, but I still have 2 bets pending that the games ended almost 2 hours ago. No one around on livehelp. Every book i've played at, it's never taken more then 10 minutes after the outcome for the bet to be graded (actual game bets).

[Counterfeit Cash]

they seem ok to me

[iceminers26]

terrible fkn book in every aspect, software sucks, slow at putting up odds on every sport, odds suck, casino sucks, and whatever else you can think of, this book sucks at it

and if you are thinking I'm bashing a small, up and coming book, I have in the past complimented B and lower books that are solid, but this shop does not fit that profile, they are brutal in every phase

[iceminers26]

I've defended JustBet in the past, but I still have 2 bets pending that the games ended almost 2 hours ago. No one around on livehelp. Every book i've played at, it's never taken more then 10 minutes after the outcome for the bet to be graded (actual game bets).

forgot that, takes 5 hours to grade the fkn Giants game.... anyone touting this shit book needs their head examined

[iceminers26]

just went to their site, its currently 3:25 AM ET and we have lunch time MLB and WNBA, and they don't have a single fkn line up... what a joke

and don't even bother with tennis, matches go off in less than 4 hours and not one single line, what a joke of a site... if you play at this Mickey Mouse Operation I would think twice

[sharpcat]

yeah pal wiith this thread your attempts are to hurt them

that is stupid

Would you say that any of the negatives that I have pointed out about JustBet are untrue?
Are their wagering limits not a joke?
Are their casino payouts not rape compared to other casinos?
Are they not cowards for being the last book to put lines up?
Do they not offer an extremely limited amount of betting options?




I am not trying to hurt JustBet they are hurting themselves, I am simply urging them to step their game up and stop being such a cowardly bookmaker. Take a little risk from time to time there is absolutely no reason for them to wait until so late to put lines up with such low limits when they clone Pinnacle lines so aggressively.

If you want to shill for them that is fine by me but please at least make an attempt to support your argument with facts rather than personal insults.

[Shark79]

I've defended JustBet in the past, but I still have 2 bets pending that the games ended almost 2 hours ago. No one around on livehelp. Every book i've played at, it's never taken more then 10 minutes after the outcome for the bet to be graded (actual game bets).

CMNoney,

Sorry for the delay on this, has this been taken care of ?