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  • thegreen
    SBR High Roller
    • 02-15-09
    • 199

    #351
    US Citizen Pleads Guilty in Online Gambling Shutdown Sting

    NEW YORK—A U.S. citizen admitted Monday to helping online-poker companies circumvent laws prohibiting the processing of Internet-gambling payments.
    Bradley Franzen, who lives in Illinois and Costa Rica, was among 11 people charged last month by U.S. authorities in a crackdown on Internet poker. The founders of the three of the largest online-poker companies doing business in the U.S. also were charged.
    Mr. Franzen, who operates a company that matches merchants with electronic-payment processers, said he helped online-poker companies find people to process electronic payments, including those by U.S. gamblers. In October 2006, the U.S. made it a crime for companies to knowingly accept electronic payments in connection with Internet gambling.
    "To avoid bank restrictions, they used shell companies and phony websites," Mr. Franzen said.
    At a hearing Monday, Mr. Franzen pleaded guilty to conspiracy to commit bank fraud, to accepting funds in connection with unlawful Internet gambling and conspiracy to commit money laundering. He faces as many as 20 years in prison on the money-laundering conspiracy charge.
    Mr. Franzen said he understood that "millions of dollars" were processed but didn't know the exact amount. According to a plea agreement with prosecutors, Mr. Franzen agreed to cooperate with the probe.
    Federal prosecutors in Manhattan have alleged that the poker companies, using third-party payment processers, disguised billions of dollars from U.S. gamblers as payments to nonexistent online merchants for golf balls, jewelry, flowers and other merchandise.
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    • ManBearPig
      SBR MVP
      • 12-04-08
      • 2473

      #352
      So I can log in to the old BM URL and it tells me to go to the new one where I can't log in
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      • thegreen
        SBR High Roller
        • 02-15-09
        • 199

        #353
        Originally posted by thetrinity
        if it was regulated by the us gov, it would b unbeatable. 125 130 juice
        The way they are trying to get poker regulated is a tax on the operators per DEPOSIT. Might be same way with sports....I am all for regulations.. Never heard of Vegas Casino voiding winning best or stealing casino winnings. GO FEDS!!!! Get these offshore Crooks!!!
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        • alling
          SBR MVP
          • 05-13-10
          • 1405

          #354
          Same reason other DA's and politicians going after online gambling. Want gamblers to bet only offline which is where they get their payoffs/slice of the pie.
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          • thegreen
            SBR High Roller
            • 02-15-09
            • 199

            #355
            Originally posted by jjgold
            I do not know of one major book that has folded in the last 7 years or so

            The comments in this thread are hilarious, we have guys that think they know gaming law and never went to college

            Maybe not fold but How many have left the US market? Quite a few smart ones....VIP did years ago along with Pinny they knew it was only a matter of time until it came to pass that the house would crumble.....Look for Bet Fair to get into US market when regulated as they are already aligned with TVG and have access to great account list!!! Time to get your money out of these offshore US allowed books folks!!!!
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            • tony_come
              SBR Posting Legend
              • 03-31-10
              • 21695

              #356
              Las vegas ppl
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              • thetrinity
                SBR Posting Legend
                • 01-25-11
                • 22430

                #357
                ah well see alling. i doubt many underground books are in bed with the DOJ, maybe some big fish, but a very small part of the overall pie nonetheless. recreational players mostly are being chased off with this domain grab.

                im not buying this regulation of sports betting online at all.
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                • tony_come
                  SBR Posting Legend
                  • 03-31-10
                  • 21695

                  #358
                  Every fukks want to get paid

                  even sbr and our gov.
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                  • zstevens
                    SBR Hustler
                    • 06-21-08
                    • 69

                    #359
                    Are players funds at seized sites safe?

                    Are players funds at seized domains sportsbook as safe as they were prior to seizure?
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                    • thegreen
                      SBR High Roller
                      • 02-15-09
                      • 199

                      #360
                      Originally posted by thetrinity
                      honestly, i have no clue. for poker it was clear to me IMO. they want to regulate the industry and offer you poker via harrahs.com foxwoods.com etc.

                      sports betting is a completely different animal. it can easily be done underground via joe local or bobby mafioso. i imagine governement regulated online sports betting would be a joke like canada and delaware and no serious player would go this avenue.

                      next 48 hours or so will be interesting.


                      I also think that the FEDS see so many US citizens taken by Fraud and SCAMS from these books. Look at Cory getting robbed by ezstreet and the multiple thefts from players at 5dimes and oddsmakers ect....gos on and on...shut these crooks down!!!!
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                      • thetrinity
                        SBR Posting Legend
                        • 01-25-11
                        • 22430

                        #361
                        Originally posted by thegreen
                        I also think that the FEDS see so many US citizens taken by Fraud and SCAMS from these books. Look at Cory getting robbed by ezstreet and the multiple thefts from players at 5dimes and oddsmakers ect....gos on and on...shut these crooks down!!!!
                        still small in the grand scheme of things. i have been playing online for 5 or 6 years, also use a local, and i have never been screwed out of a penny yet. might be the first time it happens for me. ive seen 100 more times screwing by locals (not mine, but other people) then i have by online books.
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                        • thetrinity
                          SBR Posting Legend
                          • 01-25-11
                          • 22430

                          #362
                          even the least reputable online books are paragons of integrity to the majority of locals.
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                          • bigloser
                            SBR Wise Guy
                            • 07-19-06
                            • 787

                            #363
                            Originally posted by jjgold
                            i do not know of one major book that has folded in the last 7 years or so

                            the comments in this thread are hilarious, we have guys that think they know gaming law and never went to college

                            wsex
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                            • chase hardy
                              SBR MVP
                              • 01-07-10
                              • 1324

                              #364
                              hope its not all coming to an end!!
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                              • Fishhead
                                SBR Aristocracy
                                • 08-11-05
                                • 40179

                                #365
                                BetEd is a major concern..........probably more so than any other.
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                                • cyberinvestor
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 04-30-10
                                  • 1952

                                  #366
                                  Originally posted by jarvol
                                  49 out of 50 states can though.
                                  Sorry but this is not accurate. The states where it is illegal to be an online gambler number under 10.


                                  Originally posted by no1here
                                  I disagree as the gov will do whatever they want to. It is illegal to send funds to your bank and these funds are subject to seizure. Posters that are not concern are idiots. This is happening very fast and I am losing plenty after working very hard for 7 years reaching full protential.
                                  The government will not do whatever they want to. First because nobody in the government is going to spend tens of thousands of dollars to bust Golden Greek and his $10K payout from a sportsbook and second it's just not how it works. Banks cannot seize your funds. You need to provide examples of these acts and where this happened because a gambler was betting offshore. The only thing the bank will do if they suspect you of gambling is close your account but they cannot unilaterally seize your funds.


                                  Originally posted by thegreen
                                  LOL.....It is illegal and any funds used in illegal activity can and will be seized.....Placing wagers via phone, net, person is all illegal in most states. Funds in these offshore unregulated fraudulent books are very very much at risk. There is very many reasons to worry!!!! See below LOL ------------------------- U.S. Attorney Rod Rosenstein commented in a press release on Monday, “It is illegal for internet gambling enterprises to do business in Maryland, regardless of where the website operator is located. We cannot allow foreign website operators to flout the law simply because their headquarters are based outside the country.” In a slight difference from the Black Friday indictments, the involvement of online wagering on sports appears to be at least partly involved. The same press release charged, “The indictments allege that the defendants own and manage illegal gambling businesses involving online sports betting.” The contents of 11 bank accounts spread across five countries was frozen.
                                  The Green, it is illegal to run a gambling business. It is not illegal to be a gambler. You need to READ. Notice the bold wording from your own post. The Interstate Wire Act of 1961, often called the Federal Wire Act, prohibits the operation of certain types of betting businesses in the United States. It prohibits the OPERATION of a betting business. You are not operating a business as a gambler.

                                  Your funds are at no greater risk offshore then they are with betting with Tony Two Toes your friendly local bookie who could get picked up any time.

                                  Why don't you go back to bashing 5Dimes instead of trying to play lawyer because you are not up to speed on the real legalities of the situations.
                                  Last edited by cyberinvestor; 05-24-11, 12:07 PM.
                                  Today is the tomorrow we worried about yesterday.
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                                  • pavyracer
                                    SBR Aristocracy
                                    • 04-12-07
                                    • 82775

                                    #367
                                    Nothing is safe offshore. Maybe if the money is in a Swiss bank account.
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                                    • jjgold
                                      SBR Aristocracy
                                      • 07-20-05
                                      • 388179

                                      #368
                                      Banks are not safe either
                                      If you live your life scared you will never attain much
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                                      • fury
                                        Restricted User
                                        • 02-20-10
                                        • 1651

                                        #369
                                        Bookmaker cold called me this morning to deposit
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                                        • Richards
                                          SBR Sharp
                                          • 10-20-10
                                          • 386

                                          #370
                                          Originally posted by brandon m
                                          Bmaker.ag is working for me. Mah money is in there and my points. Will I try to cash out now? No. The thing here is that Bookmaker probably has the money to cover alot of withdrawals but if there is a panic and everyone stops playing and tries to withdraw the money, bookmaker will probably fold.

                                          In my opinion is everyone remains calm these guys will figure this out and it will be business as usual. This is big business and I think everyone should remain calm. Just my opinion.
                                          this and

                                          Originally posted by jjgold
                                          I do not know of one major book that has folded in the last 7 years or so

                                          The comments in this thread are hilarious, we have guys that think they know gaming law and never went to college

                                          this.


                                          Not sure if these sites do p2p transfers, but I'd probably be willing to pay points on the dollar for for panicking players "worthless" balances. (If it's not against SBR rules?)
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                                          • Dirty Bay Player
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 12-05-09
                                            • 705

                                            #371
                                            Any chance US govt will go after Bookmaker PLAYERS too?

                                            Anybody think there's a chance govt will also pursue Bookmaker players? Specifically, if they now have data on those who made withdrawals without reporting as income (which probably applies to 99.99999% of all players)? Is that a reasonable concern?
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                                            • alling
                                              SBR MVP
                                              • 05-13-10
                                              • 1405

                                              #372
                                              Originally posted by fury
                                              Bookmaker cold called me this morning to deposit
                                              Wow I cant believe they are still cold calling. If they call me again I'll tell them I'm in a staff meeting at Homeland Security.
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                                              • cyberinvestor
                                                SBR MVP
                                                • 04-30-10
                                                • 1952

                                                #373
                                                Originally posted by Dirty Bay Player
                                                Anybody think there's a chance govt will also pursue Bookmaker players? Specifically, if they now have data on those who made withdrawals without reporting as income (which probably applies to 99.99999% of all players)? Is that a reasonable concern?
                                                No. BetonSports was one of the biggest books when it was seized and actually the US government made a settlement with BOS that attempted to ensure that US players were still paid the funds in their account. And of the hundreds of thousands of US players registered at the time, none were ever prosecuted.

                                                People need to understand that what you did was NOT illegal on the Federal level. There are only a handful of states where it is illegal to be a gambler. Unless you were partners with Bookmaker or BetEd, you are fine.

                                                Even in those states where being a gambler is illegal. It is up to the state to prosecute and investigate you and they rarely ever do out of cost. Anyone sweating today needs to relax unless you are partners or an owner of an offshore book or processor.
                                                Today is the tomorrow we worried about yesterday.
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                                                • gregm
                                                  SBR MVP
                                                  • 03-14-11
                                                  • 3535

                                                  #374
                                                  Thats a horrible suggestion, telling people to start doing *********** is absurd.
                                                  Last edited by shari91; 05-24-11, 01:53 PM. Reason: removed quote
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                                                  • gshock1
                                                    SBR Hall of Famer
                                                    • 12-04-09
                                                    • 5366

                                                    #375
                                                    Can anyone log onto DSI? If so, what's the URL? I tried betdsi.com but that doesn't work.
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                                                    • gshock1
                                                      SBR Hall of Famer
                                                      • 12-04-09
                                                      • 5366

                                                      #376
                                                      Can anyone log onto DSI? If so, what's the URL? I tried betdsi.com but that doesn't work.
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                                                      • John Dough
                                                        SBR MVP
                                                        • 09-21-05
                                                        • 1785

                                                        #377
                                                        Originally posted by gshock1
                                                        Can anyone log onto DSI? If so, what's the URL? I tried betdsi.com but that doesn't work.
                                                        Bookmaker is performing maintenance on the new sites, you have the right URL.
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                                                        • gregm
                                                          SBR MVP
                                                          • 03-14-11
                                                          • 3535

                                                          #378
                                                          Originally posted by cyberinvestor
                                                          No. BetonSports was one of the biggest books when it was seized and actually the US government made a settlement with BOS that attempted to ensure that US players were still paid the funds in their account. And of the hundreds of thousands of US players registered at the time, none were ever prosecuted.

                                                          People need to understand that what you did was NOT illegal on the Federal level. There are only a handful of states where it is illegal to be a gambler. Unless you were partners with Bookmaker or BetEd, you are fine.

                                                          Even in those states where being a gambler is illegal. It is up to the state to prosecute and investigate you and they rarely ever do out of cost. Anyone sweating today needs to relax unless you are partners or an owner of an offshore book or processor.
                                                          BOS never paid me and they didn't end up didn't paying lots of people, and the same thing is going on right now with absolute poker and ultimate bet, if companies go bankrupt their players are not getting paid.You aren't going to be prosecuted or lose money in your bank account, and I still have tons of confidence in bookmaker, but there is always a very good chance you can lose money you have in a sportsbook account.

                                                          I cashed out of wsex long before their problems but there are tons of stories of people getting slow paid or not paid at all, around half a million dollars I read.
                                                          Last edited by gregm; 05-24-11, 12:35 PM.
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                                                          • cyberinvestor
                                                            SBR MVP
                                                            • 04-30-10
                                                            • 1952

                                                            #379
                                                            Originally posted by gregm
                                                            BOS never paid me and they didn't end up didn't paying lots of people, and the same thing is going on right now with absolute poker and ultimate bet, if companies go bankrupt their players are not getting paid.You aren't going to be prosecuted or lose money in your bank account, and I still have tons of confidence in bookmaker, but there is always a very good chance you can lose money you have in a sportsbook account. I cashed out of wsex long before their problems but there are tons of stories of people getting slow paid or not paid at all, around half a million dollars I read.

                                                            True but I didn't say they paid. I said the government made a settlement so that BOS could pay the US players. My point being that the US government actually acted on behalf of US bettors at BOS. The payment part is a whole other thing but doesn't change what the government attempted to do.

                                                            What this all means is each player needs to be careful how much they keep in their offshore accounts. When your balance gets to a point that would turn your stomach to lose if the Feds closed the business or the book went under, that means it is time for a withdrawal and keep you balance in a range you are willing to risk.
                                                            Today is the tomorrow we worried about yesterday.
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                                                            • Mudcat
                                                              Restricted User
                                                              • 07-21-05
                                                              • 9287

                                                              #380
                                                              Guess I might as well cash in my betpoints
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                                                              • kfranz31
                                                                SBR MVP
                                                                • 02-09-10
                                                                • 1186

                                                                #381
                                                                i think we just need to see how far this goes if other sports sites go down then i think the writing is on the wall....it seems to be alot of pokersites......although i really dont know much about beted
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                                                                • kfranz31
                                                                  SBR MVP
                                                                  • 02-09-10
                                                                  • 1186

                                                                  #382
                                                                  just went to bookmaker.com and it did not redirectme only got the fbi warning but went to bmaker.ag and go right in no problems..... atleast right now maybe not tomorrow
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                                                                  • John Dough
                                                                    SBR MVP
                                                                    • 09-21-05
                                                                    • 1785

                                                                    #383
                                                                    Originally posted by kfranz31
                                                                    i think we just need to see how far this goes if other sports sites go down then i think the writing is on the wall....it seems to be alot of pokersites......although i really dont know much about beted
                                                                    BetEd poker was part of the same poker network as Bookmaker poker was... Yatahay.
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                                                                    • saratoga1927
                                                                      SBR Sharp
                                                                      • 02-06-10
                                                                      • 380

                                                                      #384
                                                                      i say what's the difference, we just go back to playing with our locals, who are the parts that make the whole called online sports books. nothing really changes.
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                                                                      • unclebuzz1
                                                                        SBR Wise Guy
                                                                        • 08-23-09
                                                                        • 565

                                                                        #385
                                                                        Maybe the world does end in 2012!
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