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  • mtcook21
    SBR Sharp
    • 05-01-11
    • 304

    #1
    proper wager amounts
    Just wondering what are proper wager amounts? I've been using 5% of my bankroll on straight wagers, and around 2% if I intend to follow a progression type wager scenario for a few bets. Does this sound OK? Thanks everyone.
  • goombah
    SBR Sharp
    • 04-27-11
    • 297

    #2
    I'm no expert but 5% is a lot, unless your bankroll is some small number which is easily replenished. It's pretty easy to go 0-10 every once in a while in which case you just wiped out half your roll.
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    • Bill Dozer
      www.twitter.com/BillDozer
      • 07-12-05
      • 10894

      #3
      5% is a lot. Pros will suggest .5%-1 or 2% and to weight the amt on strength of play. If your bookie has a line 4 points off a hoops half, you'll want to break that 1% rule. The most important thing when investing is to stay in the game. Players, and bookies, both see their bankroll as a scorecard and as long as they have bullets to fire they plan to be up at the end of the year. Then before they know it that 20 unit pick that lost turns out to be something they can't recover from.
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      • Stefan
        SBR MVP
        • 03-21-09
        • 3481

        #4
        5% is too much, I would prefer 1% - 2%. But it depends on the odds. If you play high odds, then even 1% - 2% is too much. Another point is the frequency of the new calculation of the stakes. The best way is to adapt the stakes as often as possible.
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        • TheMoneyShot
          BARRELED IN @ SBR!
          • 02-14-07
          • 28672

          #5
          2% OR LESS. Anything more... you're playing with fire.
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          • Hareeba!
            BARRELED IN @ SBR!
            • 07-01-06
            • 37283

            #6
            There is just no fixed answer to this question.
            It very much depends on what you are betting and the odds.
            I bet a whole bunch of different things - from tennis and golf tournament futures and horses priced at up to 100/1 and more as well as sports and horse bets as low as 1/2 (-200).
            No way I'm going to be betting the same amount on those two extremes!
            One solution would be to bet to take out a fixed amount - say $1,000 so that at -200 you'd stake $667 and at 100/1 only $10
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            • That Foreign Guy
              SBR Sharp
              • 07-18-10
              • 432

              #7
              I bet 50% of my bankroll yesterday on an NBA series bet (Dallas to progress vs LA, should have been -1000 or more, bookie offered -300).

              You need to play with fire to cook juicy steaks.

              The correct answer, as always, is (fractional) Kelly and avoid progression systems like an Aids infested razor coated dildo.
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              • Hareeba!
                BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                • 07-01-06
                • 37283

                #8
                Originally posted by That Foreign Guy
                I bet 50% of my bankroll yesterday on an NBA series bet (Dallas to progress vs LA, should have been -1000 or more, bookie offered -300).

                You need to play with fire to cook juicy steaks.

                The correct answer, as always, is (fractional) Kelly and avoid progression systems like an Aids infested razor coated dildo.
                agree, Kelly is the ultimate solution but most of these guys have no handle on what the probability of their play is so can't apply Kelly to it

                love your condemnation of progression / loss chasing staking systems ... how many millions of gamblers have been ruined by them ?
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                • LT Profits
                  SBR Aristocracy
                  • 10-27-06
                  • 90963

                  #9
                  If you are not comfortable with quantifying your edge (Kelly), bet TO WIN 2%-2.5% of you bankroll. Betting TO WIN at all times prevents you from overbetting dogs.
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                  • lukahh
                    SBR Wise Guy
                    • 04-08-10
                    • 941

                    #10
                    to sum up, 5% of your bankroll is too much for most bets. perhaps it's ok for big favourites.

                    especially betting 5% on a dog is very risky. not because you can lose, but because the adrenaline rush of winning can bring bad decisions in the future.
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                    • mebaran
                      SBR MVP
                      • 09-16-09
                      • 1540

                      #11
                      Originally posted by lukahh

                      especially betting 5% on a dog is very risky. not because you can lose, but because the adrenaline rush of winning can bring bad decisions in the future.
                      Not exactly. It's just simple statistics:

                      Imagine a bankroll of $10,000. You bet on only one thing, and that is tossing a penny. If you were getting the fair price (+100), and you bet 5% ($500) of your bankroll on each toss, you will go broke faster than if you were betting 2.5% of your bankroll (variance).

                      Basically, your bankroll is more volatile when betting more per game.
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                      • luegofuego
                        SBR Hustler
                        • 06-16-10
                        • 96

                        #12
                        Originally posted by mebaran
                        Not exactly. It's just simple statistics:

                        Imagine a bankroll of $10,000. You bet on only one thing, and that is tossing a penny. If you were getting the fair price (+100), and you bet 5% ($500) of your bankroll on each toss, you will go broke faster than if you were betting 2.5% of your bankroll (variance).

                        Basically, your bankroll is more volatile when betting more per game.
                        lolol
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                        • lcscanada
                          SBR Wise Guy
                          • 03-17-11
                          • 503

                          #13
                          It really does depend on what you are betting on.
                          I have had success for a long time using this method:
                          -3% for run line straight bets ~2.10-2.40
                          -1.5% for correlated parlays (visitor fav vs home dog) I will parlay the visitor fav ml and the over for ~3.2x payout
                          -1% for triple paylays, usually 3 1.9x standard spreads in nba or nfl
                          -1% for double dogs (2x mlb dogs parlayed, usually 2.0-2.3x x 2 ~ payout is 4-5x

                          Each day presents different betting options. As well each season brings different sports so you got to have more then a few betting
                          strategies. Some days i win the run line, but lose totals. Other days i lose totals, but win rl. Some days I win them all and some I lose, but i spread my money around and make a decent profit. If you bet 1-2 games per day, you put too much into them, as well, you sweat a lot more. It may not seem important but it is. When you bet 10 games and lose 1 or 2, it doesnt hurt as much as betting 1-2 games and losing. In the end, the same amount of money is bet, but you will be a lot better off mentally and staying sane and composed translates into better overall success. GL
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                          • goombah
                            SBR Sharp
                            • 04-27-11
                            • 297

                            #14
                            Here's an interesting tidbit of math:

                            If you wager 2 games a day (730 plays per year) and can maintain 55% win percentage and wager exactly 5% per wager. In about 6 years a 2k bankroll will be over 1m.
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                            • lcscanada
                              SBR Wise Guy
                              • 03-17-11
                              • 503

                              #15
                              Originally posted by goombah
                              Here's an interesting tidbit of math:

                              If you wager 2 games a day (730 plays per year) and can maintain 55% win percentage and wager exactly 5% per wager. In about 6 years a 2k bankroll will be over 1m.
                              at what odds? 1.9x per bet?
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                              • goombah
                                SBR Sharp
                                • 04-27-11
                                • 297

                                #16
                                Originally posted by lcscanada
                                at what odds? 1.9x per bet?
                                11/10
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                                • goblue12
                                  SBR MVP
                                  • 02-08-09
                                  • 1316

                                  #17
                                  I just bet the max while I still can at these rec shops.

                                  Limits will go from $500 to $1 in less than two months.
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                                  • That Foreign Guy
                                    SBR Sharp
                                    • 07-18-10
                                    • 432

                                    #18
                                    Originally posted by LT Profits
                                    If you are not comfortable with quantifying your edge (Kelly), bet TO WIN 2%-2.5% of you bankroll. Betting TO WIN at all times prevents you from overbetting dogs.
                                    This is a very good policy to adopt even if you think you can quantify your edge until you have enough bets to more accurately quantify your edge.
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                                    • Hareeba!
                                      BARRELED IN @ SBR!
                                      • 07-01-06
                                      • 37283

                                      #19
                                      Originally posted by That Foreign Guy
                                      This is a very good policy to adopt even if you think you can quantify your edge until you have enough bets to more accurately quantify your edge.
                                      I agree but with a slight variation .. I prefer to bet to take out a fixed amount rather than to win it (a better approximation assuming the market is close to being an accurate reflection of the probabilities)
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                                      • Sawyer
                                        SBR Hall of Famer
                                        • 06-01-09
                                        • 7761

                                        #20
                                        It depends on your bankroll. If your bankroll is small (500-1000), then you can use %5.
                                        If your bankroll is large, (10k or 20k) then use %2.
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                                        • Sawyer
                                          SBR Hall of Famer
                                          • 06-01-09
                                          • 7761

                                          #21
                                          Actually, it depends on odds too.

                                          For example, even %3 can be risky for a horse race bettor who bets on odds like 33/1, 25/1.
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                                          • dee_jas
                                            SBR Wise Guy
                                            • 12-09-08
                                            • 760

                                            #22
                                            Originally posted by Sawyer
                                            Actually, it depends on odds too.

                                            For example, even %3 can be risky for a horse race bettor who bets on odds like 33/1, 25/1.
                                            Sawyer,

                                            You still posting your plays anywhere??
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                                            • Eagle1958
                                              SBR Wise Guy
                                              • 01-23-10
                                              • 577

                                              #23
                                              Bet only what you can afford to lose. Very simple
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                                              • That Foreign Guy
                                                SBR Sharp
                                                • 07-18-10
                                                • 432

                                                #24
                                                How replaceable is your bankroll and how important is it to you?

                                                When I started I could overbet massive fractions of my bankroll because my roll was a week's salary so if I burned out I could replace it and I wanted to start playing with house money.

                                                Now I am more cautious because it would take me longer to get back to where I am if I chump off my roll.

                                                If I stop working and just bet for income (if and when work starts sucking) then I will be more cautious still because my roll will be vital and irreplaceable.
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                                                • lcscanada
                                                  SBR Wise Guy
                                                  • 03-17-11
                                                  • 503

                                                  #25
                                                  goodluck man
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