Betonline has a strange invention

[gangeriver]

I have a parlay ticket including 3 tennis matches. First two games won,
my player(pablo andujar) has retired in third set in last match of the ticket
and ticket graded loss.

I couldn't find any rule about this. There isn't any rule like this "if a player retired another player will grade as a winner"

Altough BetOnline graded it as "loss"

this is live chat text.
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Sophia: you chose Pablo Andujar
you: yes
you: and he retired
you: doesn't lose
Sophia: Alejandro Falla - 14 Pablo Andujar - 11
Sophia: that was the Points scored in Game period
you: it seems you collect all of points and decide about match.
you: it was 1-1
you: ok. thanks
you: have a nice day
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can you belive this?
sets are 6-1 / 4-6 / 4-4 and betonline goes by the number of games won in the match. I have never heard that rule.
The player who was winning the match but retired still is counted as the winner for bettors bets?
Just curious, have they ever watched a tennis match ? obviously they suppose that it is like basketball...


10. TENNIS RULES
BetOnline accepts wagers on all major tennis events using straight money lines.

Retirement or Disqualification:

Head-to-Head Match-ups:

Men's Tennis - ATP - One full set must be completed for wagers to stand. If less than One set is completed, all wagers are considered void.

(ok one set completed but what will happend right know? it is not clear )

[soxwin1917]

That is a strange but it does fit within their posted rule. Maybe next time it will come out in your favor

[Chopsticks]

They have a one set rule, so Falla will be the winner as he will go on to the next round. They handled it correctly.

[robmpink]

The explanation they gave you if off, but it was graded right.

[Mikail]

Bet was graded correctly.

[Hareeba!]

The explanation they gave you if off, but it was graded right.

yep, the CS rep has nfi, number of games or sets is irrelevant, the player going through to the next round is the winner

[RichardGeorge]

You must not bet tennis very much.....

player retiring means the other player is the winner.... and the bet counts as long as one set is completed, per BOL rules.

Its pretty clear cut....

[Hareeba!]

You must not bet tennis very much.....

player retiring means the other player is the winner.... and the bet counts as long as one set is completed, per BOL rules.

Its pretty clear cut....

in fairness to the OP, many books void upon a retirement and this parlay would have been reduced to a two leg bet and settled as a winner

[gangeriver]

You must not bet tennis very much.....

player retiring means the other player is the winner.... and the bet counts as long as one set is completed, per BOL rules.

Its pretty clear cut....

you must not use various books...
this rule depends on the book. I know books, voiding bets if match did not completed so each book should explain well its "retired player" rule.

[kilmerAsHolliday]

I don't know of any books that void bets that go past 1 set and I bet tennis every day. Greek may still do 2 sets, pinnacle quit that about 14 months ago. Maybe you guys are thinking of set betting/totals that will always be voided if a match doesn't come to a natural end.

[RichardGeorge]

you must not use various books...
this rule depends on the book. I know books, voiding bets if match did not completed so each book should explain well its "retired player" rule.

Greek- two sets
BetOnline- one set
5Dimes- one set
BetJamaica- two sets
Pinnacle- one set
BetFair- one set
YouWager- two sets


BetPhoenix is the only major sportsbook that I have found so far where a retirement is void as long as its not completed.

[Hareeba!]

Just about all Euro, Asian and Aussie books will void head to head bets if there is a retirement.

[shari91]

Just about all Euro, Asian and Aussie books will void head to head bets if there is a retirement.

Like I told gange the other night, I also had Andujar in a parlay. That leg was dumped and it was recalculated using the other 2. Sometimes it works in your favour if your player was losing, sometimes it doesn't. But at least you know that a retirement is void regardless of when it happens.

[BET THE HOOK]

Alot of books still grade retirement as a push and revert the parlay down to the next size. Is BetOnline taking parlays on tennis now? I begged for that for forever but Alex could never get that approved. Is it done now?

[CollegePro]

5dimes has same rule... mayb similar... if player retires, he/she will be graded loss as long as 1st set of match is completed... stupid rule imo. nothing we can do.... no strange invention... it's been like this long time.

[me-first]

Yeah, I once had a player up 6-1, 4-1 and he retired..what a bad beat that was..

[Hareeba!]

5dimes has same rule... mayb similar... if player retires, he/she will be graded loss as long as 1st set of match is completed... stupid rule imo. nothing we can do.... no strange invention... it's been like this long time.

It's not such a stupid rule

Regardless of which rule is used there will be times you get a bad beat and times you get a lucky win

I've had it go both my way and against me scores of times

Just be aware of the rule at the book you are playing at

And arbers beware not to get caught betting at books with different rules

[gangeriver]

there are two important points

*I have never seen/heard a book caluculating set scores and decide about a tennis match. has anyone seen? 6+4+4 > 6+4+1 hmmmm so andujar lost? what a stupid rule. Please note that betonline doesn't say "your lose becuse of your player retired" they caluculate points and decide about match. Also please look at the betonline tennis rules, there isn't any rule about caluculating points.

*Gambling world is not off shore books. there are over 1000 books in the world and each book has a different rule about retirement. I know that American people suppose that world is US+Can+Mex... even most of american can't show any european country on the world map but I'd like to say there are over 270 countries and each countries has different books. There isn't any general industry rule about retirement so each book should explain well. Please don't say "5dimes is bla bla bla, greek is blaa bla bla" don't be ridicilous.

It is my mistake I should not take tennis bets on Betonline.

[horja1]

there are two important points

*I have never seen/heard a book caluculating set scores and decide about a tennis match. has nyone seen? 6+4+4 > 6+4+1 hmmmm so andujar lost? what a stupid rule. Please note that betonline doesn't say "your lose becuse of your player retired" they caluculate points and there isn't any rule about this in "Tennis Rules"

*Gambling world is not off shore books. there are over 1000 books in the world and each book has a different rule about retirement. I know that American people suppose that world is US+Can+Mex... even most of american can't show any european country on the world map but I'd like to say there are over 270 countries and each countries has different books. There isn't any general industry rule about retirement so each book should explain well. Please don't say "5dimes is bla bla bla, greek is blaa bla bla" don't be ridicilous.

It is my mistake I should not take tennis bets on Betonline.

I actually think that this CS Sophia had the wrong explanation for the final outcome of the game ... happened to me before to talk to a CS person that had no idea what he/she was talking especially if I would ask for further details ...

[Ibrakadabra]

there are two important points

*I have never seen/heard a book caluculating set scores and decide about a tennis match. has anyone seen? 6+4+4 > 6+4+1 hmmmm so andujar lost? what a stupid rule. Please note that betonline doesn't say "your lose becuse of your player retired" they caluculate points and decide about match. Also please look at the betonline tennis rules, there isn't any rule about caluculating points.

*Gambling world is not off shore books. there are over 1000 books in the world and each book has a different rule about retirement. I know that American people suppose that world is US+Can+Mex... even most of american can't show any european country on the world map but I'd like to say there are over 270 countries and each countries has different books. There isn't any general industry rule about retirement so each book should explain well. Please don't say "5dimes is bla bla bla, greek is blaa bla bla" don't be ridicilous.

It is my mistake I should not take tennis bets on Betonline.

I don´t get what it is that you don´t understand? Or is it that you just don´t accept it?

"Men's Tennis - ATP - One full set must be completed for wagers to stand. If less than One set is completed, all wagers are considered void."

If one set is played the match is considered decided regardless if it´s finished or not. If it´s fair or not is something else. But the truth is that there is no rule that will be 100% fair. A player about to lose is of course more likely to retire which makes me think the 1 set rule used by Betonline is as fair as it gets.

As stated by several people before: CS gave the wrong explanation, as simple as that. Game score is totally irrelevant. You bet a player that has 6-0, 5-0 and 40-0. If he/she retires from there it´s a loss.

It´s no "strange invention", it´s perfectly normal and used by many others.

[brumbies]

yep, the CS rep has nfi, number of games or sets is irrelevant, the player going through to the next round is the winner

nfi?

[Hareeba!]

nfi?

u serious?

can you Google?

[kilmerAsHolliday]

*Gambling world is not off shore books. there are over 1000 books in the world and each book has a different rule about retirement. I know that American people suppose that world is US+Can+Mex... even most of american can't show any european country on the world map but I'd like to say there are over 270 countries and each countries has different books. There isn't any general industry rule about retirement so each book should explain well. Please don't say "5dimes is bla bla bla, greek is blaa bla bla" don't be ridicilous.

It is my mistake I should not take tennis bets on Betonline.

Betfair and pinnacle grade on 1 set.

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[noyb]

the cs-rep was talking bullshit, just ignore her.

your bets were correctly settled though