is pinny the market leader? proof?

[Robber]

hey guys

i was wondering if theres any evidence i could point to as pinny being the leader, where other books follow

line movements

[Bobby D]

CRIS usually opens first with the highest limits

[Robber]

but is there proof pinnys lines are the sharpest? i hear it a lot

[Hareeba!]

but is there proof pinnys lines are the sharpest? i hear it a lot

on what scale do you want to judge this?

and on which sports ?

[Robber]

lets say the american major sports

baseball basketball football

[Bobby D]

but is there proof pinnys lines are the sharpest? i hear it a lot

PINNY operates on the lowest bookmaking margins and has the most sophisticated Bookmaking style around

You can't do this year after year without having razor sharp lines

Pinny has the sharpest lines but CRIS has the biggest balls

Both are really sharp though

[Hareeba!]

lets say the american major sports

baseball basketball football

I think it would be pretty well universally accepted that on those sports Pinnacle is clearly the leading bookmaker in terms of being able to obtain the best odds. Rarely do I find another reputable bookie quoting better odds.

But my experience is that you can almost always do better at Matchbook and to a lesser degree at BetFair exchanges.

Now depending on how much you want to wager, the exchanges may not be able to accommodate you in full, whereas Pinnacle has very high limits.

[Robber]

i dont mean in terms of low juice. i know they have low juice

im saying i hear all the time theyre the market leader and have the sharpest lines. i was wondering if theres any evidence i could use about that

[Bobby D]

I think it would be pretty well universally accepted that on those sports Pinnacle is clearly the leading bookmaker in terms of being able to obtain the best odds. Rarely do I find another reputable bookie quoting better odds.

But my experience is that you can almost always do better at Matchbook and to a lesser degree at Betfair exchanges.

Now depending on how much you want to wager, the exchanges may not be able to accommodate you in full, whereas Pinnacle has very high limits.

Pinny can't be called the leader when Cris always puts up NFL prices and other major North American Sports first...That said Pinny has the most sophisticated bookmaking style around and they have ultra sharp lines

CRIS opens up first though usually for big limits

[jairocon]

Seriously, what do you want to get out of your question? If someone comes and says YES pinny is the leader - how is that going to change your betting style? You know that pinny is as close to the market as possible... but from my experience, very often they follow others. Once you start turning over thousands on multiple sports over a longer periods of time - you'll run into the infamous "offline" that will often greet you at pinny - while it waits for asians to finish their market moves or it is deciding how to react. Anyway, can't really go wrong with pinny - but once you find your specific sport and you bet on it over a longer period of time (and compare lines and odds at other places on the same wagers) you'll find the answer to your question.

[byronbb]

people who arb against Pinny lose there at about 2%

[Justin7]

people who arb against Pinny lose there at about 2%

People who arb against Pinny don't handicap or know which is the right side.

[lukahh]

people who arb against Pinny lose there at about 2%

Lesson: dont arb it, sweat it

[Jontheman]

People who arb against Pinny don't handicap or know which is the right side.

Alternatively they understand that in some situations it can increase your +EV. Or that Pinny is not all that sharp on every sport...

[gangeriver]

but is there proof pinnys lines are the sharpest? i hear it a lot

plain and simple, if you offer 10 cent lines, your lines shoud be more changeable than 20 cent book. already your profit margin is low and you should manage bettor(client) action. it's lines is not sharpest, just more changeable. I know 30-35 cent lines local books in europa, sometimes they don't change lines day-long. Also what does sharpest line mean? who for sharpest? definitely you interested in US sports but I check pinny's early european basketball, soccer and hockey lines and I have found thousands of times funny and easy lines. "sharpest line" a bit of nonsense term I think. (but SBRJohn's special lines may be sharpest )

Also guys don't forget! there are over 280 countries on the world and most of people never ever heard CRIS's name. how it can be leader? most of people don't interest in US sports. an american(I mean carribean, costa rica etc.) book can't be market leader in the world.

All I know that market leaders in Asia. IBC, Sbo

[JustinBieber]

If you want proof I suggest you do the research yourself instead of making a thread like this and then questioning anyone who makes a statement.

[Monte]

but CRIS has the biggest balls

As long as there are still people who believe this fairy tale, Cris/Bookmaker will do well indeed.

[wrongturn]

When a book has the best combination of low juice and high limit on a game, it becomes the leader during that period. No need to prove it.

[goblue12]

Pinnacle has the highest limit / lowest vig for any sportsbook.

When they move the lines, the entire board watches and follows like the sheep they are.

[Frogger]

Pinnacle is the market leader for one reason:

If you are a sharp bettor, meaning you know that you will gain value from a certain line, you will bet it with Pinnacle before any other shop. You can get down the most money and with the best line, so why bet at another shop?

You can say CRIS opens and this and that, but CRIS takes $10,000 often when Pinnacle takes $100,000. And then another $100,000 at 2-cents worse the number. You could basically bet half a million sometimes before getting to CRIS # on a major event.

[mminkovski]

I'm arbing a lot and can tell you that pinnacle is the hardest bookie to beat!

[Robber]

Seriously, what do you want to get out of your question? If someone comes and says YES pinny is the leader - how is that going to change your betting style?

i use pinnacle lines to see what no vig is and whether i should place a bet at a given line. a lot opf my betting is based off of pinny

then i get questions about why pinny, so i want to know if anyone can back me up

If you want proof I suggest you do the research yourself instead of making a thread like this and then questioning anyone who makes a statement.

i suggest you stfu. if i could do the research i wouldnt start a thread asking for help. im asking questions to see if people will clarify for me.

[Robber]

too bad

[Thremp]

People who arb against Pinny don't handicap or know which is the right side.

This is false and obviously absurd. You're projecting a personal risk management viewpoint onto random people. Much less I doubt you'd engage in discussion regarding which markets are the most efficient and at which time.

Furthermore, your own statements regarding "Taiwanese steam" would invalidate this statement.

Summary: You're posing as a know-it-all... again.

[rsigley]

i heard pinny has yesterdays newspaper and it helps them

also some syndicates manipulate greek prop prices to get down an extra $12 in las vegas

[That Foreign Guy]

I have yesterday's newspaper and it helps me.

There are coupons for 2 for 1 big macs. I love big macs.

[the_situation]

Cris/Bookmaker have disgusting lines..MLB is just a joke...that's prob reason they take such high limits

[Saunders FTW]

Wish that Pinny accepted US Players

[joshschild11]

pinnacle is the sharpest bc they take the most $ on major sports. almost every day there are a handfull of mlb games they take 50k on. if not 30k. bc they offer the best juice with the highest limits. the best gamblers play there which in turn makes if the best market indicator.

[Foosball Champ]

Does pinny have a racebook? when I went their a week ago I noticed that there wasn't tab for horses,

[Mudcat]

Yes Pinny is the market leader