Their new trick seems to be to wait a couple hours before approving the posts, that way they're buried so far back in the threads that people who already read the thread to a certain post won't see the ones on post review. I made a post at 12:13pm EST that was just approved about 90 minutes later. How it takes 90 minutes to approve a post, I have no idea. But since my list is timestamped 12:13 rather than the actual time of approval around 1:40, anyone who'd already read the thread up to that point won't see my posts.
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i think the main argument is whether cory was playing at 11 hands/minute or 18 hands/minute.
"1st round of plays went from 9:03 to 9:31, played 514 hands averaging 18.4 hands per minute 1 hour 11 minute break 2nd round of plays went from 10:42 to 12:28, played 1981 hands averaging 18.7 hands per minute 19 minute break 3rd round went from 12:47 to 1:39, played 912 hands at 17.5 hands per minute 2 hour, 2 minute break Final round went from 3:41 to 5:57 played 2442 hands averaging 17.9 hands per minute"
if this is correct then i don't know how you can add up the total time of play (including breaks) and say he was playing at a pace of 11 hands/minute. if he took a 9 hour break after the last session and then played one more hand then would you say he was playing at 5 hands/minute?
yes the times vary but it is hard to imagine playing online video poker at a pace of 18 hands a minute for a stretch of 2 hours in the middle of the night at those limits.
even at $1/hand i want to make extra sure i am playing correctly after staring at a screen that long.Comment -
If you are taking breaks and they are not counting that in the overall hands per minute then 17 hands/minute is a cakewalk. The shop was trying to say he was playing at 17-18 hands per minute for 6 straight hours. Do you see the difference? Why are you defending them? They are twisting their own words around to suit their case.Comment -
ok fair enough wvu.
i do see the difference if they are saying 17-18 hands/minute without breaks that is misleading, but it's also misleading to include the breaks and say he was playing at a pace of 11 hands/minute.
i think both parties are pretty much impossible to defend in this case. neither side has been anything close to forthcoming and honest.
the main reason i have played devil's advocate against the cory backers is that cory came on sbr complaining about not getting paid by northbet. then even after he got paid he stole their money by charging back his deposits. then he came on here saying he deposited $10,000 to ez which was more than 300% what he deposited. the stealing and lying didn't sit well with me but i certainly understand your view and would agree that this should be decided by a majority vote of a GROUP of 5 or 7 impartial unrelated parties rather than an individual.
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Does someone have a bot that can play perfect strategy? If so go and check in the sbr casino (or a real casino) how many hands it is possible to average per minute. It would be interesting to see the game logs to if the time between hands would vary like it did in cory's history.
I just tried playing some and it is amazing how in the zone you get after a few minutes. Very quick too with the auto holding.Comment -
here is 30 hands in a little less than 2 minutes
its not hard to do and i am not a bot.
i think i played perfect
someone can check
18:10:45
Deal T♦ 3♥ J♣ A♥ 6♠ 1 x .50 coins
Draw 3♠ A♣ J♣ A♥ 3♣ Two Pair 2 coins paid
.50 .50
18:10:41
Deal 8♠ 8♥ 2♥ A♣ T♣ 1 x .50 coins
Draw 8♠ 8♥ T♦ 6♦ 9♦
.50 -.50
18:10:35
Deal 9♣ K♣ 5♦ T♣ 6♣ 1 x .50 coins
Draw 9♣ K♣ J♣ T♣ 6♣ Flush 6 coins paid
.50 2.50
18:10:31
Deal 4♣ 2♦ T♦ K♠ Q♣ 1 x .50 coins
Draw K♣ 8♠ T♥ K♠ Q♣ Jacks or Better 1 coin paid
.50 .00
18:10:26
Deal 8♣ 8♦ A♦ 3♠ 9♣ 1 x .50 coins
Draw 8♣ 8♦ K♦ 7♣ A♥
.50 -.50
18:10:19
Deal 8♦ Q♦ 9♣ T♣ 6♠ 1 x .50 coins
Draw Q♣ Q♦ 3♦ A♠ 8♣ Jacks or Better 1 coin paid
.50 .00
18:10:15
Deal Q♠ 5♥ 5♦ K♣ 8♦ 1 x .50 coins
Draw 3♥ 5♥ 5♦ 3♣ A♥ Two Pair 2 coins paid
.50 .50
18:10:09
Deal Q♦ 7♥ T♣ 6♦ 9♥ 1 x .50 coins
Draw Q♦ 4♥ T♥ J♣ 2♣
.50 -.50
18:10:05
Deal Q♥ Q♦ 2♠ 9♦ 6♥ Jacks or Better 1 x .50 coins
Draw Q♥ Q♦ 8♠ A♥ 4♣ Jacks or Better 1 coin paid
.50 .00
18:09:59
Deal 3♣ 9♦ A♥ T♠ Q♦ 1 x .50 coins
Draw 8♣ 3♦ A♥ J♣ Q♦
.50 -.50
18:09:56
Deal 5♦ K♠ 6♣ 2♣ K♣ Jacks or Better 1 x .50 coins
Draw 3♦ K♠ 5♣ J♠ K♣ Jacks or Better 1 coin paid
.50 .00
18:09:50
Deal 9♣ 8♠ 7♦ A♦ 6♦ 1 x .50 coins
Draw 9♣ 8♠ 7♦ 8♣ 6♦
.50 -.50
18:09:46
Deal 4♥ A♠ 7♠ K♣ 8♠ 1 x .50 coins
Draw 8♦ A♠ J♣ K♣ Q♣
.50 -.50
18:09:41
Deal A♦ 5♠ 9♠ J♣ 4♥ 1 x .50 coins
Draw A♦ K♥ 7♣ J♣ 5♦
.50 -.50
18:09:36
Deal 5♦ A♦ 9♠ 7♦ 5♣ 1 x .50 coins
Draw 5♦ 3♥ 2♥ A♣ 5♣
.50 -.50
18:09:33
Deal Q♠ Q♣ A♣ 5♠ 7♠ Jacks or Better 1 x .50 coins
Draw Q♠ Q♣ 3♠ 2♥ T♦ Jacks or Better 1 coin paid
.50 .00
18:09:28
Deal 6♣ 2♠ 7♦ 7♠ K♠ 1 x .50 coins
Draw 6♦ T♥ 7♦ 7♠ 5♦
.50 -.50
18:09:25
Deal K♠ 2♥ 4♦ K♣ T♥ Jacks or Better 1 x .50 coins
Draw K♠ 9♠ 6♣ K♣ 7♣ Jacks or Better 1 coin paid
.50 .00
18:09:20
Deal 3♦ J♥ Q♥ 2♦ 3♣ 1 x .50 coins
Draw 3♦ 5♦ 8♦ 8♣ 3♣ Two Pair 2 coins paid
.50 .50
18:09:15
Deal 9♣ A♦ J♠ 2♦ 8♥ 1 x .50 coins
Draw T♥ A♦ J♠ 5♠ A♣ Jacks or Better 1 coin paid
.50 .00
18:09:09
Deal A♠ 5♠ 8♣ K♣ 7♦ 1 x .50 coins
Draw A♠ Q♠ K♦ K♣ T♥ Jacks or Better 1 coin paid
.50 .00
18:09:01
Deal J♥ 6♦ 4♣ 9♥ K♦ 1 x .50 coins
Draw J♥ 5♦ T♣ 4♥ K♦
.50 -.50
18:08:55
Deal 4♠ A♠ 9♥ 8♦ 3♣ 1 x .50 coins
Draw 6♣ A♠ T♠ 6♥ 4♦
.50 -.50
18:08:51
Deal 6♠ A♥ A♦ 5♦ 8♥ Jacks or Better 1 x .50 coins
Draw K♣ A♥ A♦ 7♦ J♠ Jacks or Better 1 coin paid
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Auto hold is the key. Not a professional VP player by any means, but when Bj was outlawed as a way to clear casino bonuses--I got pretty good at doing it with VP 9/6 JOB. With auto hold, you can move along zen like at a pretty good clip.
Can we all just say we trust Justin's judgment? I do!Comment -
ok bigdaddy now speed that up from 15.8 hands/minute to 17.9 hands/minute - do that for hours at $25/hand after you've been playing all night instead of .50/hand in the middle of the day when you just started.
it's certainly doable but unlikely.Comment -
first- i'm not a VP pro
second- what amount bet has nothing to do with hands being played.
third- he didn't play for 6 hours straight like stated.
i could keep an average of 15 up for at least an hour of straight play
i know as i have done it on here at sbr before
its not hard to do with the auto hold and you get in a zone after awhile.
you can ask fishhead i sent him a pm long before this dispute ever hit the forums asking him how many hands it takes on average to hit a royal
he told me around 40k
i did the math and thought i would need around 40 hours of play to hit a royal
maybe fish still has the pm i sent him?
i dont save them but he can confirmComment -
first - whether or not you're a pro has no bearing on how fast cory can play, if your play isn't indicative of how fast he played then why did you even do a sample? just to say "hey look i can play for 2 minutes at 80% of the speed cory can play for hours?"
second - if you were betting $25/hand i think you would pay more attention to the cards and play slower
third - i didn't say he played for 6 hours straight, i said FOR HOURS meaning the last session of 2 hours 16 minutes
you have done quite well at gambling on sbr by the looks of all of your trophies, so for you to imply that you have no idea what you're doing and can still play 15 hands/minute is a bit misleading. if a sharp, good gambler has to really play fast and take no breaks for a drink just to get to 80% of cory's speed that is saying something.Comment -
it's not that hard to play JOB
a monkey could do it
i don't have to be a pro or even like the game to do it at that speedComment -
I have a new theory.... we are all BOTS! Therefore EZ by rule really can't pay anyone. (top that one Justin)Comment -
Question ?
Did Corey actually win 26K in an online casino, and after collecting charged back his initial deposit?Comment -
This is correct.
By the way, keep in mind, a person chasing a bonus is MUCH MUCH more concerned about getting through a rollover requirement quickly than he or she is about playing absolute perfect strategy...............2-3 MINOR mistakes per hour in a game like JOB VP really is no big deal in the grand scheme of things, as the losses on paper by misplacing these hands is miniscue when compared to the bonus the individual is knocking down after completing the rollover.Comment -
1. Arguments along the lines of "what are the chances of him hitting x royals in y-thousand hands" are embarrasing, and deserve to be summarily dismissed.
2. Arguments along the lines of "if he's innocent, why not prove it" are stupid because they unreasonably accept the premise of the request. Flying to a foreign country to undergo testing and a polygraph is both highly dangerous and utterly absurd. He is not obliged to do so. Also, what are the chances of the book simply accepting the results? The precedent would be set for them to make the player jump through more hoops.
3. The speed of play is highly unremarkable. I played online poker professionally, and I would play up to 20 tables at once. I can assure you that there are plenty of people who can perform harder decisions and more frequent decisions than playing 16 hands/min of normal strategy JOB. As for stamina, I have played 12+ hours straight on a number of occasions (though much less tables obviously). Clearly the operators of the book are hopelessly out of touch and/or simply grasping at straws.
4. The player has a shady past. However, there is no evidence that he has wronged the book in question. Therefore there is no reason why he should be denied payment on accouny of his history with other books.
5. Why didn't the book pick up such a "notorious" player until after the payout request? It's fairly unconvincing to argue that he was so, so, so notorious, when they had let him play with them for so long.
6. In summary, these are the actions of a fraudulent, and most likely broke, book. The player is completely in the right, and the book is completely in the wrong.Comment -
In a way, we owe Cory a big TY for exposing EZ. That said, it may be time for him to quit playing JOB and go find a J-O-B.Comment -
great points mcfly.
on #4 though i might disagree a bit, if your neighbor has stolen beer out of every garage in the neighborhood and you notice your beer is missing you would probably know who the culprit was without any proof.
don't you feel this is at least the bad karma you can expect by cheating people?
if the player is "completely in the right" then why did he have to lie about the amount of deposits he made?Comment -
good post McFly. I agree with every point.Comment -
Cory did not charge back any deposit at the "other" book. What happened was enitirely different than what is being described here. I don't think Wil has the correct information. I was sent proof that it wasn't a ********** by Cory. Perhaps Wil should ask more questions about what really happened.Comment -
Regarding your analogy, in the current circumstances, the pattern does not fit the crime. The player does not appear to have a history of manipulating casino software or otherwise cheating in Jacks or Better. The history of wrongdoing is therefore irrelevant.
The player may be a compulsive liar, but again that is irrelevant. Lying is no reason to seize a player's winnings.
And to be fair there appears to be various lies contained in the book's account as provided through Wilheim (re the pauses after the royal, the number of hands per minute). It is also hugely deceitful for the book to offer a casino and then refuse to pay out without proof of wrongdoing.Comment -
The problem though is this wont be the last book that Powers opens up "claiming to be a great shop". When he does open up under a different name, and someone finds out that he is the one running things, we just need to get it out in the open for everyone to see before he does this to someone again...and maybe next time it will be someone will more credibility that Cory.Comment -
The problem with that argument is that there was NO chance Cory could even ********** on the cash deposits that he made with EZ. If he would have used a cc, then I would say that there was a good chance he was going to **********, like he may have done in the past.Comment -
Would love to hear Russ Hamilton's comments on this case.Comment -
For the Books that Cory cheated, which forum do they go to recover stolen funds? Ideally, EZ should pay them instead.Comment -
Why not conducting the test session at a location convenient to the player? It is the book's burden to prove he was using bot, not the other way around. If the player refuses, at least the book earns some arguing points at the forums.Comment -
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I would not play at EzStreet and I would not lend money to Cory. I feel more educated now.Comment -
the more i read about this case, and after watching justin's video, the more i am siding with cory. i always thought he should be paid - but strangely enough he is looking more and more like the MUCH lesser of two evils. Even after his comments wanting sexual favors from people's wives and daughters.Comment -
I knew you would come around, Mike. Hopefully you don't reverse course again when Wil posts his 4th grade defense. Here is Wil, with all his expertise and 12 years experience working a 10 machine video poker bank in vegas. You would think he would know what a straight paid. He clearly is in over his head with this dispute:
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