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Why are they obligated to give out private information on this board to offer you proof of their claims? How would that help their case in any way? you and the 5,000 that have viewed this thread are not arbitrating this case and have no say in this matter so there is no reason to release private information on a public chat forum.
You want them to share the names of the books Cory1111 has scammed than it is only fair that they share all the details including Cory1111's full name and address. Do you think Cory1111 wants his private information spilled all over a public chat forum?Comment -
i dont think it would be that difficult for a book to check when you join. When you apply online at a bank you automatically get denied if you are on a list. I know for a fact books have this avalable. I was on the phone one day with scotty at betjam a few years ago and I was asking for echecks to be turned on for me and he said let me see, and a minute later he came back and said yep you are clean with other books and it was done. It took him 1 minute to check. Also when you sign up at places like 5 dimes and places that have echecks you hear about people that have it and some that are only cash deposits and that is because they came up on some list. All i am saying if i was a book i would check because i want to be protected first not when a situation occurs. This is hurting ez's buisness right now even if they are in the right because people see the stuff going on and deposit else where. Buisnesses here protect theirselves before doing buisness withone someone and they should to.Comment -
Your constant request for the book to provide private information that you know they are legally obligated to not share publicly seems like nothing more than an attempt to discredit their defense.
What world do you live in? I have never witnessed any side of a high publicity court case be required to submit all the private and important details of their case to the media before the case has been heard and judged.
This is not a jury trial and even if it was the 2,000 degenerates on these boards are not the jury
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More importantly I do not need to know what book Cory scammed to know that his defense is going to be "thats a lie".Comment -
Sure Sharpy, I consider that. That's why I want more information. Do you ever consider a broke book desperate to survive will lie to the Rx and SBR about what Cory might have done to other books?
Obviously you only want information that verifies your belief in Cory's guilt. Good enough. Maybe you can one day become a Rx moderator.Comment -
Actually if you've been following the story you would know that 5 months ago Cory1111 filed a complaint with SBR that Northbet closed his account and refused to pay his $15,000 balance, Lou recently confirmed that he arbitrated in the case and that Cory1111 was eventually paid and once paid immediately did a ********** on his deposit. Lou has no relation with Easystreet and has no reason to lie about this.
SBR poster C.S. has stated in the past that he works for an unnamed sportsbook he recently implied that Cory1111 had charged back $5K and opened numerous accounts under his name and others at the book he is working with.
2 outside sources unrelated to Easystreet state similar stories. If you choose to believe that Cory1111 is innocent and there is just some huge conspiracy in the offshore world to bury poor innocent Cory1111 so be it but don't try to write it off as the accusations against him do not exsist and paint a bad picture of his intentions.
Why should Easystreet bow down and pay him when there is a high likely hood that as soon as he receives his $46K he is going to ********** all of his deposit funds. Especially considering that it is highly likely that he used a bot which is warned against in their terms & conditions.Comment -
while i don't think ANYONE SHOULD BE defending the sportsbook's actions of getting the rx to mediate, i find it quite shocking that so many posters here continue to defend the actions of cory1111 when it is fairly obvious that he is a liar, cheat, and thief.
LIAR - posted in this thread that he deposited $10,000, then said again he deposited 10,000 over time in 250 increments.
CHEAT - almost certainly used a bot, which was against the terms and conditions. also was certainly banned from northbet, almost certainly banned from many others for opening multiple accounts and violating pretty much every rule in the book.
THIEF - after getting paid by northbet he stole their money by getting a ********** of deposits.
and now the guy implies that he wants sexual favors from people's wives and daughters to pay off the $46k? how can we keep defending this guy...Comment -
Here is Wil's post condemning Cory and basically not only saying he used a bot, but inferring that he actually manipulated the cards and produced the royals himself. As if we didn't already know Wil was going to defend his advertiser all the while silencing his critics with post review.
IrishTim - you are missing the point. regardless of how simplistic such a bot as you describe is and what it's capabilities are the fact is that the use of them in The EasyStreet Casino is addressed in their clearly posted rules in their Terms and Conditions section.
Artificial Intelligence - Robots:
You are not allowed to use any software program which, in our opinion, is endowed with artificial intelligence ("AI Software") in connection with your use of the Service. We constantly review the use of the Service in order to detect the use of AI Software and in the event that we deem it has been used we reserve the right to take any action we see fit, including immediately blocking access to the Service to the offending user, terminating such user's account and seizing all monies held in such account.
Players should always accomplish their own "due dilligence" by throughly reading the posted rules of any book they use even if they only want to wager small amounts on straight bets of sides only of say NFL games. When you venture into any online casino knowing the rules or terms and conditions is IMHO an absolute must.
I completely understand players saying a certain rule is unreasonable because all a bot does is play fast and use perfect basic strategy for a game such a video poker or blackjack. However books all have a right to choose their own rules just like players have the option of playing at books where they feel the rules are more suitable for their style of play. In the case of EasyStreet's casino players are required to operate the play in their casino themselves without the assistance of any kind of AI or Bot.
I know many of you say prove Cory1111 violated the bot rule at EasyStreet when he hit three Royals in approximately 12 hours of play, averaging one every 2900 hands of play.
According to most charts the odds on hitting a Royal Flush while playing routine five card draw are roughly 650,000:1 against being dealt a Royal Flush and giving likely draw scenarios are roughly 230,000-1 (with perfect strategy about 45,000 to 1 against) against on any given hand. Not everyone is apt to agree with this math but for the sake of this post I will use these numbers.
Naturally lighting can strike at any time and a player can hit two royals in a row theoretically but in Cory1111's case EasyStreet decided to investigate his playing method and discovered that he was playing extremely fast over an extended period of time and barely hesitating after hitting two $20,000 Royals in the same session and doing the same while hitting one during a second session for another huge payoff. Cory4111 hit 3 in less than 10,000
hands earlier this month (the hand history will show the actual numbers of the last two Royal session).
Think about hitting a a $20,000 payoff for a $25 wager yourself while playing video poker. Would you proceed to the next hand in less than 3 seconds? Or would you do what almost any normal human being would do and hesitate to at least look at it briefly and at least check to see your new balance. Personally I would take screenshots of the winner but cory1111's reason for not taking screen shots (he sent me screen shots of his EZ St balance) was I didn't take screen shots because it wasn't my first Royal - which makes no sense. A bot however has no feelings or emotions and a Royal is no different than a pair of threes to it as far as altering it's velocity of play.
When EZ St management examined the hand history that they can only see on their back end screen of any particular video poker session (that they can view but cannot simply cut and paste to an email) game they noticed all of this and knowing nothing about Cory1111's checkered past as a charge-back artist decided to close his account while they decided how to interpret his method of play. An investigation was launched.
The investigation took went in two directions the first and most important was the actual play as indicated by the hand history, which I am hoping to post on this forum today but am waiting for the software company that designed the game to furnish the history to both EZ St and myself. Remember all Ez St can do is pull up a computer screen of the play sequence of any particular player's session and view it but to obtain a printable copy of the hand history they have to request it from the software company that designed the game to furnish it to them.
That is in process as I type this, both EZ St and myself (along with SBR who I agreed to send a copy of the document to as soon as it is available to me) are waiting on. When I have it you will get have it, assuming it is postable. I will post it like a cut and paste if not then I will post
a link that will take you to the document so the history is transparent and posters can draw their own conclusions.
In the mean time the 2nd part of the investigation revealed a very checkered past that belongs to Cory1111. For example over 30 accounts distributed among 21 different books all in Cory111's name and all closed for fraud of one kind or another. Cory1111's argument is none of that extensive amount of fraud involved the use of AI or Bots yet Ez St discovered he hit two royals in approximately 4000 hands in late November at another book's online casino, winning and collecting $26,000 and promptly charging back his deposit at that book. Bottom line is he is not what I consider trustworthy based on what I have heard from some of the top people in this industry who have had run ins with him.
With all of this in mind and after Cory1111 sent me the following request on March 13th in the mid afternoon I helped Ez St with what I feel is a good faith offer and chance for Cory111 to prove himself innocent in this case and be paid in full while doing it. Since then I have received 20 more emails from him regarding the dispute.
Recently he has accused me of accepting bribe money from EZ St an accusation I very much resent and is certainly untrue. Some of you know me from my almost 8 years as a mod here (in June it will be six years as Head Mod and principle dispute mediator) will I believe vouch for my policy of never accepting any money or gifts from books or posters I have helped which is well over 100. Anyway the accusation is ridiculous and untrue. I will leave it there and get back to the email:
Hello Wilheim, How are you? Attached are 2 photos for my account XXXXXXX. Currently there is 46000 doll. in the account and EasyStreetSports.com wont pay me. They are accusing me of cheating,which is totally false. I would like to see proof on their part that foul play was being used. I am willing to have my computer that I won the amounts with tested by any 3rd partycomputer forensic analyst (which is commonly done in the legal profession) to show that this fantasy software never existed on my computer! I paid in about $10,000 (Note: the real amount was $2730 - wilheim) to the sportsbook, which they had no problem taking. I'm not going to sit back and allow them to collect money from people. I was told if i admit to cheating they would give back my money i deposited,which i deferred. After I was accused of cheating I get a call from their associate Marvin,saying upper management is willing to pay me ,but Alex Powers doesnt want to,and im sick to my stomach the way you are being treated, I know you didnt cheat. They told me they were having many meetings for about a week regarding my account when tests by the 3rd party were being done. I was told before I was accused of cheating that the tests came out fine and I was good,then all of sudden this popped up. I hope you can help me.
Thanks Wilheim,
Cory1111
In light of everything they had found out Ez St felt that having a computer supplied by Cory1111 tested by a 3rd party forensic analyst in the US unfeasible as there was no way of proving the right computer was tested plus given the climate regarding online gaming in the US they felt conducting the investigation in the US not advisable.
Since then with a little of my help they put together the all expenses paid proposal that included a polygraph done by an accredited company here in Costa Rica with as many witnesses as Cory1111 cares to have accompany him and a demonstration of him playing the exact same 5 card video poker game in the offices of the software provider. All this is already posted in this thread (somewhere around post 105 or so posted by wilheim).
Originally Cory1111 made some counter proposals such as conducting everything at SBR and having SBR hold the expense money in escrow after The Rx had already guaranteed that they would hold the funds and distribute them immediately and honestly after Cory1111 fulfilled the two obligations.
I made it clear to Cory1111 that both tests were non-negotiable if he wanted to demonstrate his innocence and be paid $46,000 on the spot should he pass both tests.
He was invited to have all the witnesses of his choice at the polygraph and software test. He claimed he felt that he was in danger by coming to tourist destination Costa Rica and wanted his arrival date, hotel and date of the tests to remain secrets known only to him, which we agreed to with the exception of the date which was required by Ez St in order to arrange for the polygraph and the use of the software company's facility.
I did my honest best to try to arrange the trip in the least stressful way as possible for him. Conceding secret flights and hotels and allowing for as many people including anyone from SBR to accompany him at all times when he was dealing with Ez St. Despite all of this he insisted that he would not take the polygraph and essentially killing the offer the same day it was made even though we gave him a full week to think it over.
Recently Cory1111 has claimed he never asked me to help or mediate this dispute but as you can see by the email above along with 20 additional emails i have received since he certainly didn't act that way until late Wednesday when he began the I never asked you for help routine. BTW. Ez St never accepted any funds from him after the day Cory1111 hit the Royals. Cory1111 made actual deposits adding up to $2730 by ** and ** in small amounts averaging around $250 each.
Deposit history: Acct# Date Method Amount:
xxxxxx Jan-15-2011 ** 250
xxxxxx Feb-01-2011 ** 200
xxxxxx Feb-08-2011 ** 215
xxxxxx Feb-09-2011 ** 215
xxxxxx Feb-10-2011 ** 300
xxxxxx Feb-11-2011 ** 350
xxxxxx Feb-26-2011 ** 250
xxxxxx Feb-27-2011 ** 230
xxxxxx Feb-27-2011 ** 225
xxxxxx Feb-28-2011 ** 220
xxxxxx Feb-28-2011 ** 275
Note: Cory1111's first deposit of $461 was sent with incorrect information that made it only collectable as a ********** by Cory1111 who used the credits before anything could be done. After that Ez St made a deal with Cory1111 thinking it was an honest mistake to wait until his ** and ** funds were actually in their hands before crediting his account.
I know this thread is long and kind of meanders a bit but I wanted to give you an idea of the real circumstances as I know them to be..
FYI - I spoke to the owner of Ez St who is old school and personally guaranteed me if Cory1111 came to CR and passed the two test he would immediately pay him $46,000 - a fact I passed along to Cory1111. He also told me and I believe him that he would rather have him be that player who came down and exonerated himself so that he could show that Ez St is not trying steal this money from Cory1111 but considering everything needed this proof before they paid him.
Remember we are dealing with a notorious scammer with a long history of cheating books out of money. A fact that finally caught up with him in this case.
For the record Ez St has been totally cooperative and transparent with an open invitation for me to visit their premises anytime I choose to examine all of the evidence and records compiled during this entire dispute. I in turn have agreed to furnish SBR any information in my possession they request regarding this case without delay.
Please stay tuned as I will be posting the hand history as soon as the software company makes it available to Ez St who will in turn send it to both of my email addresses.
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now i hope if ez marvin was prob. making $5 hr on ez's payroll i hope mr. wilheim was making at least $10 hrComment -
Bravo to easystreet for taking a stand against 1 of the many scam artist who tarnish the industry and complicate things for the honest players, causing these players to have to pay extra money and wait extended timeframes to receive payouts and to lose generous bonus offerings from casinos.
This is not your average case of a skilled player talented enough to beat the book and getting stiffed, this was a scam artist taking advantage of casinos generosity to their honest players with his intentions likely being to ********** all of his deposits upon receipt of his winnings as he has a history of doing.
This may tarnish their reputation but longterm this is great for the industry this sends a warning out to scam artists that their behavior is not going to be tolerated or paid off.
Welcome to the blacklist Cory1111 it appears that your ungrateful greed in charging back your deposit after receiving a $15,000 payout has come back around on you, Karma is a bitch!Comment -
LIAR - posted in this thread that he deposited $10,000, then said again he deposited 10,000 over time in 250 increments. Who cares?
CHEAT - almost certainly used a bot, which was against the terms and conditions. also was certainly banned from northbet, almost certainly banned from many others for opening multiple accounts and violating pretty much every rule in the book. Using a bot was not against their rules. Using artificial intelligence was. He did not do that.
THIEF - after getting paid by northbet he stole their money by getting a ********** of deposits. Debatable. I have no problem with a charge back if a book goes out of its way not to pay. (if a book takes a month to pay, I think a charge back is warranted).
Bottom line, Cory doesn't sound like a very nice person, but he did not violate EZ's rules and should be paid his $46k. If EZ is worried about a charge back, pay him his $46k - his deposit amount and in 6 months when he can no longer charge back, pay him his deposits.
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How cam Cory ********** M*G* deposits ?Comment -
Nice Post WVU.Comment -
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After receiving an infraction for a previous post about this issue I will keep this reply clear and simple.
If you have no intention of beating a book by following its T&C's then you should not cry to a board and expect to get paid. To go through an entire dispute and have a book pay you and THEN charge back the initial deposit is no better than actions by the worst books (Cascade, Bet911 and Parlaymakers..etc.) We all have had problems with books and some are minor and some are major but when you take freeshot after freeshot after a sportsbook and then come and cry to the forums EVENTUALLY it will catch up to you.
In regards to flying to Costa Rica, I am not sure about anyone else but if I beat a game straight up and the only thing that prevented me from collecting 46k was going and showing my play in a secure environment and have everything paid for... why not do it? If you have to ask "Why?" well its clear from your past that you have not been an honest player and frankly the fact that the book is even giving you this chance should be applauded.
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Not True.
You can charge back ANY vendor that accepts ANY vc,**,amex...etc. Sure the money is already collected HOWEVER the cost to the sportsbook far outweighs that few hundred dollars due to the fact it may lead to losing a processor. Not to mention if you charge back with **/** whatever name you use is perma-blacklisted.
People need to remember that the book does not run to ** or ** and pick up money.. the processor does. IF a ********** occurs that is one less phillipino or costa rican who can work for the processor.Comment -
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I don't know about Cory, but I know some books are part of the blame for this: Some books will put your deposit in your account PRIOR to the processor picking up the money (especially late at night). They would just verify that the info was correct. I know Betfirstclass was getting scammed this way. If the player wins, he lets the deposit stay. If he loses he cancels the M G or W U before they pick it up. Another thing people would do is send a smaller amount of money, but tell the book they sent a larger amount and some books would put that higher amount in your account. Then usually hope for a quick hit and run. If they lose they do nothing or get the $ not picked up. If they win they have other options, from blaming the processor/resend proper amt, to even altering the receipt to make it look like they sent the proper amount, lol. Thankfully, most books only deposit $ into your acct after its picked up.Comment -
Hand history has been posted across the street.
IMO all claims about the bot not being intelligent are thrown out the window when I see it adjusting bet sizes from $10 to $25.
If someone can point out at least 5 spots in that hand history where there was more than a 5 second pause in between hands I would say that is was slightly possible that he did not use a bot.Comment -
I don't feel sorry for Cory, but EZ took a shot here. With cash deposits, he had no chance to ********** so no risk to EZ at all. Bottom line: A "D" Book stole from an "F" player.Comment -
wow, so this Cory is dirtyComment -
corey if you need a witness to go with you though and they will pay my way i need a vacation hehe. hell i will even do their tests if they pay me 46 k
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the play log shows 4055 hands that took 8 hours and 53 minutes. That means he played 7.59 hands per minute which is really slow.
Also the bunk about him not pausing after he hit his 20k royal? It looks like he hit the Royal played one hand and took a 19 minute break.
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This play log should bury EasyStreet. No bot play and he did indeed pause after hitting his royal.Last edited by WVU; 03-25-11, 07:33 PM.Comment -
Only the first 43 hands played were $10, all the rest were $25. I also noticed that after hitting his first Royal Flush, he played one hand afterwards but then after maybe realizing he hit it? took a 19 minute break before playing again. Are bots set to stop play after hitting a Royal or maybe you can just stop it manually as you watch it play, I have no clue how those work.Comment
